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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Jews don't hate Jesus any more than any other lost sinner.
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Thats correct, so until one is converted and given faith and love to Christ Jesus like Saul to Paul 1 Tim 1:12-14

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

They must be counted as enemies to God and Christ and not beloved by God. Them jews over there now hate Jesus Christ like all natural God haters and so they cant be classified as beloved of God . not until God gives them Faith and Love towards Christ.

At this present time in world history, there is not a shred of evidence israel over there are the beloved of God. Now we can pray for the salvation of Gods elect over there or any other nation, but thats about it. At this time israel has no more love to Jesus than russia !
 
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brightfame52 said:
They must be counted as enemies to God and Christ and not beloved by God.
brightfame52 said:
At this present time in world history, there is not a shred of evidence israel over there are the beloved of God.
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Romans 5:8 – "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." [1, 2, 3]

John 3:16 – "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." [1, 2, 3, 4]

Ephesians 2:4-5 – "But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions..." [1, 2, 3]

1 John 4:10 – "This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins."
 

John 3:36​

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
 
Churchgoer said:
That entire area is call Palestine, including arabs, jews, Christians, muslims..... a mix pot. Roman empire, then ottoman, then later British.

Then zionist and Darby, Scofield coordinated politics and religion around exactly the same time.
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It's very easy to read history and know what happened. Palestine was a region, never a country. There were no distinct Palestinian people.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
Romans 5:8 – "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." [1, 2, 3]
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Yeah this pertains to the elect, jew or gentile
ThereRoseaLamb said:
John 3:16 – "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." [1, 2, 3, 4]
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Ditto
ThereRoseaLamb said:
Ephesians 2:4-5 – "But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions..." [1, 2, 3]

1 John 4:10 – "This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins."
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Ditto
 
Churchgoer said:
Bingo, actually u said it. They are lost sinners, they are not children of God, not until they accept Jesus as their Lord and savior. Therefore they are as pagan as Muslims, atheist, buddist.... they don't get to claim the ot land, which was for the children of God, YHVH, even God's very name points to Jesus. Look it up, the old Hebrew.
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No they can claim the land because God promised them the land. Read how God made the covenant. The covenant was unconditional.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
You don't know who is going to be saved yet
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Gods elect
ThereRoseaLamb said:
God loves sinners and wants them all to be saved.
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False, just His Elect is to obtain the Salvation in Christ Jesus with eternal Glory, Per Pauls missio 2 Tim 2:10

10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
That's not the point the previous poster was making.
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Does it really matter? The point that I am making is that anybody, whether Jew or Gentile, who is not in Christ is lost. Why are there so many threads about Israelites and Jews? Ethnicity does not matter where salvation is concerned.
 
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passion84god said:
Does it really matter? The point that I am making is that anybody, whether Jew or Gentile, who is not in Christ is lost.
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That point was made on the last page I believe.

passion84god said:
Why are there so many threads about Israelites and Jews? Ethnicity does not matter where salvation is concerned.
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Have no idea. I've been on here many years and just recently it's been the hot topic.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
No they can claim the land because God promised them the land. Read how God made the covenant. The covenant was unconditional.
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Thats been fulfilled as God Promised already Joshua 21:43–45:

43 ;And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

44 And the Lord gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand.

45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
Joshua farwell speechm Joshua 23:14
14 and, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the Lord your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.
Nehemiah 9:22-24
22 Moreover thou gavest them kingdoms and nations, and didst divide them into corners: so they possessed the land of Sihon, and the land of the king of Heshbon, and the land of Og king of Bashan.

23 Their children also multipliedst thou as the stars of heaven, and broughtest them into the land, concerning which thou hadst promised to their fathers, that they should go in to possess it.

24 ;So the children went in and possessed the land, and thou subduedst before them the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites, and gavest them into their hands, with their kings, and the people of the land, that they might do with them as they would.


Psalm 105:42–44

42 For he remembered his holy promise, and Abraham his servant.

43 And he brought forth his people with joy, and his chosen with gladness:

44 And gave them the lands of the heathen: and they inherited the labour of the people;
 
passion84god said:
Does it really matter? The point that I am making is that anybody, whether Jew or Gentile, who is not in Christ is lost. Why are there so many threads about Israelites and Jews? Ethnicity does not matter where salvation is concerned.
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It is an important discussion within true Christians ✝️. Depending on one s view, one will support or not support giving billions of hard earn money to Israel state to bomb Middle East.

Same thing in the day of good Friday, one will shout or not to crucify Jesus.

Same thing when Daniel not bowing to the statue.

Same thing when 3 young men not bowing to statue.

Scripture says we only see the earthly battle, but in heavenly realms, there are battles between good and evil. Ephesians 6.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
It doesn't matter.God made an unconditional promise to the Jews.
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Where is the unconditional promise in scripture?
Please point out?

The entire covenant is conditioned on Jesus. Even ot sacrifices points to Jesus. God is telling people by human efforts we just can't be holy, only through Jesus blood, God giving us a new heart, we are born again, then we are saved.
 
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Churchgoer said:
Where is the unconditional promise in scripture?
Please point out?

The entire covenant is conditioned on Jesus. Even ot sacrifices points to Jesus. God is telling people by human efforts we just can't be holy, only through Jesus blood, God giving us a new heart, we are born again, then we are saved.
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Abrahamic covenant, it was unconditional.
 
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