Revolution in Iran

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DeanM said:
Israel paid him? Your hatred of the jews really is off the charts. Im done. You may go now.
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You misunderstand me.
That was actually a criticism of Israel, also protected under international law.
Hatred of Jews really exists, so please don't make the mistake of accusing the wrong people of it.
You make it seem meaningless, and that is dangerous.
I have noticed that some people run to accusations of antisemitism when they no longer have a valid argument.
It has become a tool to shut down good communication and exchange of thought.
You would have done better to accept my respectful correction, although I fully understand that pride has nerves.
 
HeIsHere said:
Are you advocating for the murder of 90 million people or more?

Is this the Christian process, is this what the first Christians did against their oppressors, impressive how political allegiance usurps Christian morality and ethics.
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No one is calling for the murder of 90 million people. It's called a straw man argument. You resort to that because the truth is uncomfortable.

The truth is that Iran's regime is a threat to world peace. No Christian is calling for the murder of 90 million Iranians. The Iranian regime is perfectly willing to do that themselves. If you had even the slightest clue about Iran's regime, you would know that they declared war on America in 1979.

Do you not care at all about the many believers being murdered because they've turned away from Islam? In the early days of the Church, there was no power that could take on the Roman empire. Alaric, a Christian who was king of the Goths, sacked Rome in August 410 AD.

War is a terrible thing, but sometimes necessary, as Ecclesiastes says. God Himself commanded Israel to destroy their enemies.
 
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I have learned so much about a "Memorandum of Understanding". First it is not a peace agreement, and it most certainly not a Peace treaty, so it make you wonder why the media would have shared so much that was deceptive about that, telling us an agreement had been signed which was then clarified to would be signed on Friday.

But then the "MOU" is equally deceitful. For example, the MOU has Iran saying they will not acquire a nuclear weapon. Which is not what any MOU could possibly say. The MOU is an agreement to talk about stuff, not to actually do it. Iran has not agreed to not acquire a nuclear weapon, they have agreed to talk about it (if in fact it is in the MOU). Just as the US has not agreed to pay Iran 300 billion, they have agreed to "talk about it".

What we are witnessing here takes deceit and deception to a whole new level.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
I sure am glad Trump won

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Well we want peace don't we?
I do not care who declares victory.
I will not start celebrating yet though because there are a lot of lies being told and Mr. Trump changes his mind every hour.
'Israel" prefers war as most of us now know, but they have not yet managed to sabotage the deal despite putting in their best effort, ie bombing Beirut.
They have the option of being safe in the land that they have already stolen without stealing more, but realistically I don't think they will be satisfied with that.
As long as they have to handle any conflict that they start alone, the situation will only be bad, not catastrophic.
 
Beekeeper said:
Well we want peace don't we?
I do not care who declares victory.
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Neither do I.
I will not start celebrating yet though because there are a lot of lies being told and Mr. Trump changes his mind every hour.
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Trump does not change his mind every hour and got some results.
'Israel" prefers war as most of us now know,
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That can be fact checked and again is misinformation. Israel fights a 7 fromt war. You can look it up.
but they have not yet managed to sabotage the deal despite putting in their best effort, ie bombing Beirut.
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Israel had no seat at the table which was between the USA and Iran. You are falsly assigning negative intent on Israel and puking out talking points. Omissions like Hezoballah is funded by Iran. Embeds military assets in civilian zones meaning they do not care about civilian deaths and use it as a means to discredit Israel and it works with people like you.

[Urban warfare against embedded foes typically produces high civilian tolls (historical norms often 1:1 to 9:1 civilian: combatant or worse). Israel's operations here are frequently cited as relatively precise compared to peers in similar environments, though critics (UN, Amnesty) argue violations occurred in some cases.
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Hezbollah knows all that, Iran knows all that, and they do it anyway and then blame Israel for civilian deaths, ignoring that they can come out and fight anytime. Now Hezbollah has an added foe, leadership in Lebanon supported by the USA via Trump.

They have the option of being safe in the land that they have already stolen without stealing more, but realistically I don't think they will be satisfied with that.
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They did not steal and will never be safe in their own land if they lay down. How could Israel steal anything after the devastation of WW2? Anybody can look up the formation of Israel to know you are not being truthful when accusing Israel of stealing. Israel will be wiped out, men women and children. That is the peace you seem to be supporting, the wiping out of Israel since they are, according to you, thieves. There is no Israeli equivalent to Oct. 7, where innocent festival goers were targeted, murdered, and taken as hostages. How brave do you have to be to target innocent, unarmed civilians at a festival? To gang rape helpless females?
As long as they have to handle any conflict that they start alone, the situation will only be bad, not catastrophic.
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Not if God is with them and against their enemies. A seven front war and the Bible references 10 kings. I am a little rusty on Bible prophecy and perhaps it is time to dig out my old copy of Late Great Planet Earth and do a little compare analysis. I do not think Lindsey was wrong about everything
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Lightbeamrider said:
Neither do I.
Trump does not change his mind every hour and got some results.
That can be fact checked and again is misinformation. Israel fights a 7 fromt war. You can look it up.
Israel had no seat at the table which was between the USA and Iran. You are falsly assigning negative intent on Israel and puking out talking points. Omissions like Hezoballah is funded by Iran. Embeds military assets in civilian zones meaning they do not care about civilian deaths and use it as a means to discredit Israel and it works with people like you.

[Urban warfare against embedded foes typically produces high civilian tolls (historical norms often 1:1 to 9:1 civilian: combatant or worse). Israel's operations here are frequently cited as relatively precise compared to peers in similar environments, though critics (UN, Amnesty) argue violations occurred in some cases.
en.wikipedia.org]

Hezbollah knows all that, Iran knows all that, and they do it anyway and then blame Israel for civilian deaths, ignoring that they can come out and fight anytime. Now Hezbollah has an added foe, leadership in Lebanon supported by the USA via Trump.

They did not steal and will never be safe in their own land if they lay down. How could Israel steal anything after the devastation of WW2? Anybody can look up the formation of Israel to know you are not being truthful when accusing Israel of stealing. Israel will be wiped out, men women and children. That is the peace you seem to be supporting, the wiping out of Israel since they are, according to you, thieves. There is no Israeli equivalent to Oct. 7, where innocent festival goers were targeted, murdered, and taken as hostages. How brave do you have to be to target innocent, unarmed civilians at a festival? To gang rape helpless females?
Not if God is with them and against their enemies. A seven front war and the Bible references 10 kings. I am a little rusty on Bible prophecy and perhaps it is time to dig out my old copy of Late Great Planet Earth and do a little compare analysis. I do not think Lindsey was wrong about everything
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If God is with them they will not need military back-up from anybody else.
You have nothing to worry about.
I don't think God is with them, because all God's people believe in Jesus,
but what does it matter what I think?
 
Beekeeper said:
If God is with them they will not need military back-up from anybody else.
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God with Israel established for all to see in 1948 after not existing since AD70 at the same spot. My understanding of disputed land includes ancient Judea and Samaria. I do not know who really backs up Israel. So basically, they are on their own. The USA, with its divided government and constant elections, is effectively a paper tiger.

I don't think God is with them, because all God's people believe in Jesus,
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That is answered in the Bible. The Abrahamic Covenant Is Unconditional and Eternal
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for the sake of the fathers" comes from the Apostle Paul in Romans 11:28. It refers to the enduring love God has for the Jewish people—the original branches of His covenant tree—because of His ancient, irrevocable promises to their founding ancestors (the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob). This biblical teaching highlights several key principles regarding God’s promises: Unconditional Love: Paul explains that even though the Israelites rejected the gospel at the time, they remain deeply beloved by God not for their own present actions, but on account of their forefathers.

but what does it matter what I think?
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Lightbeamrider said:
[Urban warfare against embedded foes typically produces high civilian tolls (historical norms often 1:1 to 9:1 civilian: combatant or worse). Israel's operations here are frequently cited as relatively precise compared to peers in similar environments, though critics (UN, Amnesty) argue violations occurred in some cases.
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Leveling a town with standoff missiles and aerial bombs to drive out the civilians in order to establish a buffer zone, as is being done now in southern Lebanon and openly admitted to by the IDF, is not urban warfare; it's genocide.

Randomly destroying civilian buildings in Beirut because Hezbollah used an FPV drone against the invading IDF in southern Lebanon is not self-defense or urban warfare; it's a war crime and genocide. Gvir or Smotrich openly called for leveling 10 buildings in Beirut for every FPV drone used. That's not warfare; that's terror.
 
ZNP said:
What we are witnessing here takes deceit and deception to a whole new level.
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Not really. That's been the normal operating principle throughout this whole conflict, but now at least Trump has found his exit ramp, thank God, and can claim victory.
 
ZNP said:
I have learned so much about a "Memorandum of Understanding". First it is not a peace agreement, and it most certainly not a Peace treaty, so it make you wonder why the media would have shared so much that was deceptive about that, telling us an agreement had been signed which was then clarified to would be signed on Friday.

But then the "MOU" is equally deceitful. For example, the MOU has Iran saying they will not acquire a nuclear weapon. Which is not what any MOU could possibly say. The MOU is an agreement to talk about stuff, not to actually do it. Iran has not agreed to not acquire a nuclear weapon, they have agreed to talk about it (if in fact it is in the MOU). Just as the US has not agreed to pay Iran 300 billion, they have agreed to "talk about it".

What we are witnessing here takes deceit and deception to a whole new level.
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Before Reagan would meet with Gorbachev, or any American President would meet with another head of state the details of what they would discuss and agree to had already been hammered out. The diplomats and secretary of State had already done all of the prep work leading up to the agreement. Technically the "MOU" was done by them long before the agreements were written up and the two world leaders met to sign them. So the "MOU" is not something new, what is new is Trump pretending that "agreeing to talk about something" is a "Peace treaty". It is a two fold deceit, he "assumes" that agreeing to talk equals agreeing to his terms, while at the same time he is crystal clear that he has not agreed to their terms, he has only agreed to talk.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Leveling a town with standoff missiles and aerial bombs to drive out the civilians in order to establish a buffer zone, as is being done now in southern Lebanon and openly admitted to by the IDF, is not urban warfare; it's genocide.
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Anybody can fact-check that claim. As it does not pass the smell test. Are you referencing Iran sources or Hezbollah? Do you concede Hezbollah hides behind women and children? Do you concede Iran used little boys as human mine sweepers to trigger landmines with their bodies and gave them keys to heaven, Iraq? Do you concede that? Or are you going to ignore? Get out of town
 
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