Nothing has been offered nobody, if thayer said that he in error as well as you. And nothing is allowing themselves, God is working upon them, they are passive
Reconciled to God while enemies !
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reneweddaybyday said:
do you agree that the words "be ye reconciled" are translated from the Greek word katallassō?
do you agree that in 2 Corinthians 5:20 the Greek word katallassō is:
reneweddaybyday said:
The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation and a person either believes and receives the blessing ... or a person suppresses the truth in unrighteousness and receives the consequence.
Romans 1:16-19
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
When the gospel of Christ is preached and a person does not suppress the truth in unrighteousness, that gospel is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe.
When the truth is not suppressed in unrighteousness, that is exalting Christ in His complete salvation work.
please note ... they are judged according to their works ... sin is not taken into consideration on that final judgment day.
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You only state what you want to hear/know/believe and ignore the full meaning
2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
do you agree that the words "be ye reconciled" are translated from the Greek word katallassō?
do you agree that in 2 Corinthians 5:20 the Greek word katallassō is:
speech: verb
tense: second aorist
voice: passive
mood: imperative
reneweddaybyday said:
The aorist imperative is used in 2 Corinthians 5:20. When 2 Corinthians 5:20 tells you "be ye reconciled" the verse is telling you to do something ... God has already reconciled Himself to mankind ... now you are to be reconciled to Him ... the way you are reconciled to God is to stop suppressing the truth in unrighteousness ... stop fighting God ... stop rejecting God ... get "self" out of the way and God will work in you.
nope ... the Lord Jesus Christ is exalted when a faithful believer preaches the gospel of Christ and the gospel is not suppressed in unrighteousness.
The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation and a person either believes and receives the blessing ... or a person suppresses the truth in unrighteousness and receives the consequence.
Romans 1:16-19
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
When the gospel of Christ is preached and a person does not suppress the truth in unrighteousness, that gospel is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe.
When the truth is not suppressed in unrighteousness, that is exalting Christ in His complete salvation work.
you neglect the aorist because it does not fit with your preconception:
The imperative mood is the mood of command
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and with the aorist imperative, the action is start doing something.
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and with the aorist imperative, the action is start doing something.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
please note ... they are judged according to their works ... sin is not taken into consideration on that final judgment day.
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This is mixed with truth and error which is what makes it deadly poison. It is a command but its also passive voice, the subjects though given a command are being acted upon by God, now the reconciliation is already a accomplished legal fact, sins aren't imputed, and forgiven, so God by the word is causing them to realize and enjoy the peace and reconciliation God already approved in His Son's blood
reneweddaybyday said:
If the person suppresses the truth in unrighteousness, God stops acting upon the person, and the person is not reconciled to God.
If the person does not suppress the truth, that is the person yielding to God's acting upon him or her ... just like your own AI search tells you. God completes His work within the yielding one and he or she is reconciled to God.
2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
Man being reconciled to God results from what is written in 2 Corinthians 5:20 ... which you refuse to believe, even though your own source tells you the subject is commanded to yield to the action.
you really need to believe your own source documents ... just sayin'
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focus on this point ...
"Just like in 2 Corinthians 5:20 ... the subject is commanded to yield to an action done by someone else"
that is exactly what needs to take place ... the words "be ye reconciled" mean "yield to the action" God will work in you if you stop suppressing the truth in unrighteousness ... stop rejecting Him ... stop fighting Him.
your own AI search told you ... the subject is commanded to yield to an action done by someone else:
God sends His faithful believers ("ambassadors for Christ") ... that is God acting upon the person.
If the person suppresses the truth in unrighteousness, God stops acting upon the person, and the person is not reconciled to God.
If the person does not suppress the truth, that is the person yielding to God's acting upon him or her ... just like your own AI search tells you. God completes His work within the yielding one and he or she is reconciled to God.
2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
God reconciled Himself to mankind before the foundation of the world.
Man being reconciled to God results from what is written in 2 Corinthians 5:20 ... which you refuse to believe, even though your own source tells you the subject is commanded to yield to the action.
you really need to believe your own source documents ... just sayin'
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reneweddaybyday said:
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you're moving the goalpost again, brightfame52 ... smh ...
you made a comment about something that was never said by either myself or Thayer's ... I pointed out your error and it's wholly apparent you're the one who "refuse to be corrected when shown your error" ... smh ...
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No I didn't, you didn't understand it, it made a striking difference between reconciliation passive with God and between a husband and wife, you you didn't comprehend that,
reneweddaybyday said:
from your source, I input into Google ...
here is the result:
... which is what I have been telling you.
You are arguing with your own source ... and you're the one who proclaimed ... "Now AI knowing my reformed position, I asked how does the imperative passive works in 1 Cor 7:11 ? "
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the same thing your own source says ... you reject your own source.
from your source, I input into Google ...
"Just like in 2 Corinthians 5:20, an imperative passive means the subject is commanded to yield to an action done by someone else, rather than forcing it through their own independent strength"
here is the result:
AI Overview
You have captured the theological and grammatical essence of that phrase perfectly. In 2 Corinthians 5:20, the phrase "be reconciled to God" (Greek: katallagēte tō theō) uses an imperative passive verb, meaning it is a command to receive and yield to an action that God has already accomplished, rather than a demand to fix the relationship through human effort.
Key Theological Implications
- Divine Initiative: God is the sole initiator and provider of salvation and peace.
- Human Surrender: The believer's role is to stop resisting and accept God's finished work.
- Receptive Action: The command requires a choice, but it is a choice to submit, not to perform.
... which is what I have been telling you.
You are arguing with your own source ... and you're the one who proclaimed ... "Now AI knowing my reformed position, I asked how does the imperative passive works in 1 Cor 7:11 ? "
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Folks the poster isn't being honest here and omitted a key statement from my post which can be found # 695
Here is the part she left out
She omitted the contextual shift notation from 1 Cor 7 to 2 Cor 5 in which its duly noted the subjects of reconciliation are Entirely Passive, because its Gods Perfect work. So we see the posters sneaky dishonesty
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Thaddeus
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Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Rom5:5&6
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions – it is by grace you have been saved. Eph2:4&5
We can say, when you are dead in sin/ungodly you are an enemy. However, God accepts you in that state when you come to His son and put your faith in him, and are therefore reconciled to God. You have received your one and only justification before God-faith in Christ
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Rom5:5&6
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions – it is by grace you have been saved. Eph2:4&5
We can say, when you are dead in sin/ungodly you are an enemy. However, God accepts you in that state when you come to His son and put your faith in him, and are therefore reconciled to God. You have received your one and only justification before God-faith in Christ
False, God accepts and favors us when we are enemies hating God, if Christ died for us. You dont have to have Faith in Christ
I don't want to get into a multi-day debate about this with you, so I'll leave it at this: that a spiritually dead person while in spiritual death, is completely devoid of the ability to "come to His son" - with that lack of ability being one of the attributes of death. To obtain it, they first must be given spiritual life. However, spiritual life is a result of becoming saved, and is solely by God's mercy and grace through Jesus Christ, Savior, with everything else as (its) byproducts.
God does not give salvation to everyone but only to His elect, so not all can truly come to Christ because He must first come to them.
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Thaddeus
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Really? The person has only one righteousness/justification before God-faith in His son. Without that, no justification!
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Thaddeus
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No one can come to Christ unless the Father draws them
He draws people to His son, they then are justified by the only justification they can have-faith in Christ.
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Thaddeus
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You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10;But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness Rom8:9&10
People may give many answers as to what decides if a person is in a saved state. Personally I like Paul's in the above.
If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ they do not belong to Christ. You get the Spirit immediatley at conversion, when you also then have your faith in Christ which saves/justifies you. Father and Son dwell in believers through the Spirit. They dwell in the saved, not unsaved, people who have accepted Christ as their saviour and are therefore righteous before God
People may give many answers as to what decides if a person is in a saved state. Personally I like Paul's in the above.
If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ they do not belong to Christ. You get the Spirit immediatley at conversion, when you also then have your faith in Christ which saves/justifies you. Father and Son dwell in believers through the Spirit. They dwell in the saved, not unsaved, people who have accepted Christ as their saviour and are therefore righteous before God
No, not possible. They are only justified only by Christ, not themselves - Christ is the Savior, is He not? It is in the verse immediately preceding the one you chose, it states it is by Christ's blood, not by anything a man might do:
[Rom 5:9 KJV] 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
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Thaddeus
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When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, ‘Who then can be saved?’
26&;Jesus looked at them and said, ‘With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.’ Matt19:25&26
How many verses do you want?
‘We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified. Gal2:15&16