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Lovette said:
Anybody who preaches or implies singlehood as a preparing stage for an idealized marriage with a hypothetical partner.
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Sure, but you are responding to LITERALLY EVERYONE HERE as if that is what they are saying, and NOBODY but JohnDB is actually saying it.

You insist the language barrier isn't an issue, but have you looked into the possibility that you are experiencing dyslexia, or some other form of learning disability? I am being serious here. Your inability to comprehend what people are actually saying is at a clinical level. 😬
 
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Lovette said:
What contradition? What "Adam's view"? Prior to Eve having been made, there was no "Adam's view". "No worthy and equal partner" was God's view, not Adam's. I fantasized nothing, while whoever suggests or implies that all these other animals were paried up and provoking Adam's envy is truly fantasizing.
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No Adam's view before Eve yet you claim he was probably content before she came along, and never complained which
we do not know, you simply assume. God's view was that it was not good for Adam to be alone. You want to skirt around
this though. Not the first time you have contradicted yourself, either. People who contradict themselves don't wanna see it.
 
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Lovette said:
Marriage is only a real thing when you're already in an existing committed relationship with an existing partner. I mentioned it many times that there's a progression of your "other half's" perceived identity - stranger, crush, acquaitance, companion, girlfriend, confidante, fiancee, bride, wife, mother.
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So, marriage isn't abstract in practice?

I'm glad we've cleared that up, because the Messiah made time to attend a wedding in Cana of Galilee. I was beginning to wonder why nobody had told Him that marriage was a worldly distraction, and He shouldn't have been entertaining the deluded guests with party tricks, when he turned water into wine.

Telling that Jesus not only accepted the invite, but chose a wedding as the setting for His first public miracle. 🙏

Lovette said:
If you desire marriage, and yet you have nobody or just an imaginary figure to marry, than how is that not an abstract concept?
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True, even if your answer is an offshoot of the primary question.

If we doubt God, as a consequence of not successfully winning the affections of a member of the opposite sex, we can fall into the "when is it my turn?" trap.

Comparing our own timeline to others or daydreaming about the idea of a spouse who is not present, can breed deep dissatisfaction in us. Discontentment can make us susceptible to being absent-minded toward the Victory over death .

I kinda grasp what you are saying in this regard.

Lovette said:
No it's not. It's foolish and idolatrous.
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This is an example of worst-case thinking in a hypothetical situation.

Lovette said:
In that context it was an affirmation on the sancitity of marriage and a disapproval on no fault divorce. And the vice versa is equally true - what God has NOT put together, let no man put together either.
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Then we should agree. Matrimony is of profound significance.

Lovette said:
And that's not just my opinion. In eastern Asian countries there has been many dating events organized by the government or spontaneously, in attempt to boost the abysmally low marriage and birth rate, yet there's either nobody shows up, or corporations dropping by to sell stuffs, or women overwhelmingly outnumber men, like 50 to 1.
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Fifty women for every one man? Ain't that a sign of the hour in Islam? A period of extreme ignorance, where men will drastically decrease in number.

Sahih al-Bukhari's 50 to 1 ratio could've been alluding to Asian dating in our times!

Lovette said:
It all depends on both your discernment of the time and the faithfulness of your partner. If it's a time of distress, like ever since COVID, you can hardly make a living to sustain yourself, how are you supposed to sustain a partner and kids?
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My outlook might be more hard-line than your own. I don't search for a wife when I see the ship sinking. I head for the life raft: Salvation, and try to lead others to His safety. If the raft is populated by a stranger who becomes my wife, happy days, if not, no loss. I'm blessed to have been found when I was lost.
 
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Kainos said:
So, marriage isn't abstract in practice?

I'm glad we've cleared that up, because the Messiah made time to attend a wedding in Cana of Galilee. I was beginning to wonder why nobody had told Him that marriage was a worldly distraction, and He shouldn't have been entertaining the deluded guests with party tricks, when he turned water into wine.

Telling that Jesus not only accepted the invite, but chose a wedding as the setting for His first public miracle. 🙏


True, even if your answer is an offshoot of the primary question.

If we doubt God, as a consequence of not successfully winning the affections of a member of the opposite sex, we can fall into the "when is it my turn?" trap.

Comparing our own timeline to others or daydreaming about the idea of a spouse who is not present, can breed deep dissatisfaction in us. Discontentment can make us susceptible to being absent-minded toward the Victory over death .

I kinda grasp what you are saying in this regard.


This is an example of worst-case thinking in a hypothetical situation.


Then we should agree. Matrimony is of profound significance.


Fifty women for every one man? Ain't that a sign of the hour in Islam? A period of extreme ignorance, where men will drastically decrease in number.

Sahih al-Bukhari's 50 to 1 ratio could've been alluding to Asian dating in our times!


My outlook might be more hard-line than your own. I don't search for a wife when I see the ship sinking. I head for the life raft: Salvation, and try to lead others to His safety. If the raft is populated by a stranger who becomes my wife, happy days, if not, no loss. I'm blessed to have been found when I was lost.
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Perhaps Jesus should also have agreed with His disciples in Matthew 19 that it's better to never marry, haha! 😂
 
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Lovette said:
Known earth is not equal as the entire earth. I ask you again, did God only plan for Adam and Eve to fill the fertile crescent, or the entire planet?
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Ummm

I'm not from 5,700 years ago when the Torah was originally written.

Maybe ask one of those people....
Oh wait! They left records of what they thought...
Maybe it's just YOU who don't know these things....you know....an isolated person with no real knowledge behaving and thinking they do.
 
Lovette said:
Alright, I concede. THis is why I hate hypothesis. Always leading you to an impasse.
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Well rats! I had a lot of other logic points locked and loaded, just waiting for your next reply.

Oh well. I guess I'll have to find something else to entertain myself with.
 
Snackersmom said:
Sure, but you are responding to LITERALLY EVERYONE HERE as if that is what they are saying, and NOBODY but JohnDB is actually saying it.

You insist the language barrier isn't an issue, but have you looked into the possibility that you are experiencing dyslexia, or some other form of learning disability? I am being serious here. Your inability to comprehend what people are actually saying is at a clinical level. 😬
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Nope, I just assumed that what you're saying or implying, because that's the common narrative preached in the purity culture.
 
First friendship, then marriage 💑 this is very natural.
But for people who enjoy single life, it is fine too.
To each its own.
Respect others preference.
 
Magenta said:
No Adam's view before Eve yet you claim he was probably content before she came along, and never complained which
we do not know, you simply assume. God's view was that it was not good for Adam to be alone. You want to skirt around
this though. Not the first time you have contradicted yourself, either. People who contradict themselves don't wanna see it.
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But it was perfectly reasonable to assume so, since Adam did accuse Eve of causing him to sin. Besides, men are usually more insterested in things than people, Adam was tasked to tend the garden, he had no idea of any other human being, since there wasn't any, why and how would he feel alone?
 
Kainos said:
So, marriage isn't abstract in practice?
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Only is it abstract when you're yet single.
Kainos said:
True, even if your answer is an offshoot of the primary question.

If we doubt God, as a consequence of not successfully winning the affections of a member of the opposite sex, we can fall into the "when is it my turn?" trap.

Comparing our own timeline to others or daydreaming about the idea of a spouse who is not present, can breed deep dissatisfaction in us. Discontentment can make us susceptible to being absent-minded toward the Victory over death .

I kinda grasp what you are saying in this regard.
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The logical order is that when you're single, you desire to meet somebody first, either through circunstance or a matchmaker; then to build a relationship; then private knowledge about each other, could take years; then proposal, certificate, wedding, honeymoon, kids, etc. You don't desire for wedding and honeymoon first when you don't even know anybody.

This is like seeing a picturesque spot in a distant location on Instagram and dreaming of yourself being there, yet you have no map, no guide, no money, no time, no transport, and when I point this out, you accuse me of trashing that spot as "abstract". Yeah, that place itself may not be abstract, but it's abstract to you. The right and reasonable reaction is to wake up.
Kainos said:
This is an example of worst-case thinking in a hypothetical situation.
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A wise man hopes for the best, prepares for the worst.
Kainos said:
Fifty women for every one man? Ain't that a sign of the hour in Islam? A period of extreme ignorance, where men will drastically decrease in number.

Sahih al-Bukhari's 50 to 1 ratio could've been alluding to Asian dating in our times!
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What are you even talking about? Don't you see that the point is that no man's bothering with it? You can google similar speed dating or match making events in some large cities over here, similar outcomes, overwhelmingly women, very few men.
Kainos said:
My outlook might be more hard-line than your own. I don't search for a wife when I see the ship sinking. I head for the life raft: Salvation, and try to lead others to His safety. If the raft is populated by a stranger who becomes my wife, happy days, if not, no loss. I'm blessed to have been found when I was lost.
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Yeah, that had always been the real practical purpose of marriage, a social safety net, a meal ticket. Only did it shift from money to love in the 19th century.
 
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