Adventists, Ellen G. White, failed prophecies and scripture

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The SDAs believe what they believe... and because they promote and teach it they are not doing anything wrong.

When people in the past stood firm for what they believed they were often killed, or persecuted and treated very badly by those that did not like the truth.

Should the SDA church change their beliefs and not share their convictions with the world because you don't like them?

The Holy Scriptures are the standard, not popular teachings or traditions.
If the SDA Stuck to God's word, then there would be no problem. SDA adds to God's word and twists it to suit their flawed doctrines and dead religious practices. It has nothing to do with like or dislike and everything to do with truth. Some of us are no longer prepared to sit back and let SDA lies go unchallenged. That for sure includes me.
 
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And yet, they do accept as christians people who do not follow a Saturday sabbath, which is surprising to me, according to their doctrine
Yet they look down their noses and rebuke those who dare to challenge their false doctrine. They call the Protestant church apostate. For sure the church has its share of problems. But SDA is straight out heresy, not just different interpretation of God's word.
 
William Miller misinterpret the 2300 day prophecy but it all worked out for the Good.

A revival was started and faith was tested. People went back to their Bibles to study the word.
Only if you understand that Daniel did not say 2,300 days.

Daniel never said that.

Daniel said 2,300 'morning and evening sacrifices' not days.

Which is 1,150 days not 2,300 days.

People went back to the Bible but applied an interpretation to that reading of the scripture.

The traditional reading of the scripture (that Catholic interpretation) corrupted their reading of the scripture.

So all the mainline churches ended up both under grace and under the law at the same time.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

So how can any church be led by the Spirit and be under the law at the same time?

Is the Traditional Catholic interpretation of the N.T correct or incorrect?

Are Christians under the law or grace?
 
And yet, they do accept as christians people who do not follow a Saturday sabbath, which is surprising to me, according to their doctrine
Because they are ignorant and they do not research the SDA.

Most churches claim to be under the law (ten commandments) so the SDA appears legitimate on the surface.

They do not realize that the SDA has condemned all of them.

They would change their mind if they realized what the SDA teach.
 
Here is my understanding of Seventh-day Adventists, and I am open to correction. I also understand that, as with Protestantism generally, there may be differences among individuals and groups who identify with that tradition.

As I understand it, Seventh-day Adventism is first and foremost a Christian movement that affirms the central truths of the faith:

First, that the Scriptures are the inspired Word of God, and that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the one true God.

Second, that Jesus Christ, the Jewish Messiah, came into the world to give Himself as the sacrifice for sin. He is Lord, Savior, and the only means of salvation.

Third, that the New Testament is also the inspired Word of God and gives the apostolic witness to Jesus Christ, His death, resurrection, heavenly ministry, and promised return.

Now, beyond those central beliefs, Seventh-day Adventists hold other doctrines and interpretations, including their understanding of baptism, the Sabbath, the state of the dead, the sanctuary, the judgment, and prophecy. Some of those interpretations I may agree with, and some I may question. But I would not place every prophetic interpretation or denominational practice on the same level as the gospel itself.

They are also no different from most Protestant groups in this sense: they have spent much time and effort attempting to read, study, and properly interpret Scripture. And I think we should all admit that interpreting Scripture, especially prophecy, is one of the most difficult tasks before us. There is no complete consensus even among brilliant scholars, theologians, pastors, and students of the Bible on many of the most important prophetic passages.

For example, the Millerite movement expected the return of Christ in 1844. They were wrong. That error came from an incorrect interpretation of Daniel’s 2,300-day prophecy, combined with a very sincere and intense hope that they would soon see their Lord face to face. Later, Seventh-day Adventists reinterpreted 1844 in connection with Christ’s heavenly sanctuary ministry rather than His visible return to earth.

Now, one may reject that interpretation. One may argue that Daniel 8 has been misunderstood. One may believe their prophetic framework is wrong in important ways. But that kind of interpretive error is not the same thing as claiming divine authority to change God’s commandments, forgive sin by priestly office, exalt an earthly religious head as God’s representative over the whole church, or place human tradition above the Word of God. That is the distinction I am trying to make.

If we were to place the central Christian beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists on one side of a page, and then place the major claims of the Roman Catholic system on the other, which one departs more seriously from the commands of Christ and the teaching of the apostles?

I do not see Seventh-day Adventists teaching an infallible pope. I do not see them claiming one earthly bishop has universal authority over the church. I do not see them teaching prayers to Mary and the saints. I do not see them promoting image veneration, indulgences, purgatory, priestly absolution, or salvation through submission to the Roman sacramental system. I do not see them claiming that church tradition can stand alongside or above Scripture.

Those are not minor differences. Those are massive departures.

So, in my opinion, an incorrect interpretation of the 2,300 days in Daniel 8 is not on the same level as a religious system that claims papal supremacy, priestly power to forgive sins, authority over God’s commandments, prayers to Mary and saints, and salvation mediated through the institution and its sacraments.

One is an interpretive mistake concerning prophecy. The other is a system that has claimed powers and honors that belong only to God. That does not mean every Adventist interpretation is correct. It does not mean every SDA teacher is right. It does not mean we should accept their prophetic system without testing it. Everything must be tested by Scripture. But we should be careful not to place every religious error in the same category. A mistaken interpretation of Daniel is one thing. A system that exalts human authority over Christ, Scripture, and conscience is something far more serious.

That is why I see a major difference between a Protestant group that may be wrong on certain prophetic interpretations and a religious system that, over centuries, has buried the simplicity of the gospel beneath papal authority, sacramental control, prayers to saints, Marian devotion, image veneration, purgatory, indulgences, and tradition elevated above Scripture. The issue is not whether any denomination is perfect. None is. The issue is whether its errors are interpretive errors made while trying to follow Scripture, or whether the system itself claims authority that Scripture never gives to any man or institution.

Finally, on a specific note, if one were to try to interpret how the 2300 days prophecy speaks TO THE COMING MESSIAH (His first arrival), and not to a historic or secular event or even a heavenly event in the future (in relation to the time of the cross), they would indeed find its true prophetic meaning. Afterall, wouldn't it seem appropriate that the prophecies in Daniel should pretain to the most important event in the history of mankind - the arrival of the Messiah?
SDA is a divisive cult that reeks of religious pride. It was founded on a deception. At least Miller had the decency to repent. Those who did not twisted Miller's prophecy into something that is completely contrary to God's word. By that I mean the "investigative judgement". As if Lord Jesus needs to check us out. He knows everything about us already.

SDA is dangerous precisely because there is a lot of truth in their doctrines. It's easy to dismiss Mormons and JW's. It's not so easy to dismiss SDA false doctrine. We need to know God's word and allow the Holy Spirit to grant us discernment.

SDA dismisses centuries of the works of saints who gave their lives for the gospel. Their obsession with the sabbath has no place in God's the New Covenant. They take grace and put it under the law. Not only that, they falsely accuse the brethren who reject their false doctrines.

SDA rightly criticises the Roman Catholic organisation. But they are as guilty of heresy as the organisation they condemn. A system that places Law over Grace is as bad as a system that allows man to override scripture.

In effect, SDA says that we are saved by grace as long as we follow the law, particularly with respect to the Sabbath. They lie about the early church, which soon adopted the "Lord's day," i.e. Sunday, as the day of worship. RC codified that into a law, which is not correct either.
 
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I would think catholics and sda have much in common:


CCC 2068, “The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 the Second Vatican Council confirms: “The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments.”

2069: To transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.

They are still in use today. the catechisms of the Church have often expounded Christian morality by following the order of the Ten Commandments
Obedience to a set of rules is at the core of every dead religion. If obedience to the Law could save us, Jesus died in vain.
 
The historical accounts in 1 Maccabees are widely used to argue against interpreting the 2,300 "evenings and mornings" of Daniel 8:14 as 2,300 years (ending in 1844).

Instead, 1 Maccabees provides the historical framework showing that the prophecy was fulfilled as 1,150 days (2,300 individual sacrifices) between 171–165 B.C., culminating in the desecration of the temple by Antiochus IV Epiphanes and its subsequent rededication (Hanukkah) by Judas Maccabeus.
I thought we were using the bible as the standard for truth. ???

The SDA are bible believing.

Maccabees is not part of the bible.
If the SDA Stuck to God's word, then there would be no problem. SDA adds to God's word and twists it to suit their flawed doctrines and dead religious practices. It has nothing to do with like or dislike and everything to do with truth. Some of us are no longer prepared to sit back and let SDA lies go unchallenged. That for sure includes me.
Will you argue with Jesus too? He said keep the commandments.

I don't want to argue doctrines.

I have shared my understanding of scripture and if I'm wrong I will answer to God not man.
 
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I thought we were using the bible as the standard for truth. ???

The SDA are bible believing.

Maccabees is not part of the bible.

Will you argue with Jesus too? He said keep the commandments.

I don't want to argue doctrines.

I have shared my understanding of scripture and if I'm wrong I will answer to God not man.
You know what I've said, and the Bible says, about keeping the commandments. Yes, everyone will answer to God.

SDA believes the Bible? I have news for SDA. So does the devil. SDA adds doctrines that are not in God's word. I have said nothing about Maccabees.

The so called investigative judgement is false. So is the idea that Lord Jesus relocated in heaven.

Argue with Jesus? No? Take Him at His word? Be careful with that. I doubt that are many straight male believers who would not be blind on that basis. What man has not looked inappropriately at a woman at some time in his life?
 
Rev 3:17-18
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

I do not claim to be spiritually rich or have no Spiritual needs. I need Jesus. I'm nothing without Jesus.

We are not saved as a denomination.
We are saved as individuals.

The main difference between our theology is Justification by faith.

I believe in the legal declaration that Jesus gives us but I ALSO believe in the change of heart and restoration that Jesus does in us. I say that the cross was only the start of salvation, you say all was completed at the cross.
Argue with Jesus? No? Take Him at His word? Be careful with that. I doubt that are many straight male believers who would not be blind on that basis. What man has not looked inappropriately at a woman at some time in his life?
We all need forgiveness, but by faith we can be renewed and born again. Yes we should take Jesus at His word.

Change is hard to accept.
 
Justification by faith is the doctrine that is seperating many of us.

It is far more than a mere legal or forensic declaration; it is a divine work that brings about an inner change and a spiritual transformation in the believer
While some views, such as those in Calvinism, limit justification to a judicial or forensic sense, biblical justification is much deeper.

Genuine acceptance of Christ as a substitute for sin results in a new heart and a renewed mind, an Inner Transformation.

Not an Opiate, but a Stimulant: True faith is not a passive state that ignores duty; rather, it purifies the soul and creates a motive power that works by love Galatians 5:6

It establishes a living connection with God, rescuing the soul from the "rubbish of formality" and "satanic ideas" of justification by works

Justification by faith does not make void the law of God; instead, it establishes it Romans 3:31

The Inadequacy of Works = No person can be justified by the deeds of the law because the law only provides the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20

We are justified by faith alone, apart from works, yet genuine faith always produces corresponding works of obedience. James 2:18

You cannot truly preach the commandments of God without the faith of Jesus, nor the faith of Jesus without the commandments.

It is the victory that overcomes the world. 1 John 5:4

It requires the simplicity of faith—casting one's helpless soul upon the Redeemer just as one is.

Salvation was both a finished victory at the cross and is a continuing process in the heavenly sanctuary where Christ now intercedes for His people.

When Jesus died on Calvary, He proclaimed that the work of redemption was finished, signifying that the sacrifice for sin was perfect and the price of redemption was fully paid. John 19:30.

The death of Christ was a complete offering that satisfied the demands of justice and provided another trial for the human race.

At that moment, the power of Satan was broken, his defeat was made certain, and the universe was secured against his accusations.

This sacrifice is the central truth of the gospel, serving as a complete atonement for the fallen race and an immutable testimony to the validity of God's law.

But there is ALSO an Ongoing Work in Heaven.
While the sacrifice was completed at the cross, the actual application of that atonement continues as Christ performs His work as our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary. Hebrews 8:1-2.

Jesus entered the holy places in heaven with His own blood to make an intercession for us, which is just as essential to our salvation as His death was. Hebrews 9:12.

This intercessory work involves the mediation of His merits to those who come to God in faith, and it will be completed only when He closes His ministration in the sanctuary. Hebrews 7:25.

By His death, He began the work of redemption; by His life in heaven, He completes it.

The salvation process is also completed as individual believers cooperate with divine power to restore the moral image of God in their characters.

We are called to take up our own cross, follow the Savior’s example of self-denial, and labor for the salvation of others. Matthew 16:24.

The final restoration of man from the defilement of sin must be thorough, involving the daily sanctification of the life through obedience to God's truth.

Those who are faithful will eventually find eternal rest from the conflict with sin through the victory already achieved at Calvary

Would you like a summary of how Christ's intercessory work in the heavenly sanctuary relates to the final judgment?
 
Did anyone watch the links to sabbath keeping animals and the testimonies of nature?

Rev 3:17-18
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

I do not claim to be spiritually rich or have no Spiritual needs. I need Jesus. I'm nothing without Jesus.

We are not saved as a denomination.
We are saved as individuals.

The main difference between our theology is Justification by faith.

I believe in the legal declaration that Jesus gives us but I ALSO believe in the change of heart and restoration that Jesus does in us. I say that the cross was only the start of salvation, you say all was completed at the cross.

We all need forgiveness, but by faith we can be renewed and born again. Yes we should take Jesus at His word.

Change is hard to accept.
You are making a very common mistake. It's not just SDA who are confused. To be born again is instantaneous. However, there a "second salvation", which is the salvation of the soul. In Christ, we are already complete (Colossians 2:10). The soul is not immediately saved. The confusion arises partly because of the misuse of the word "saved". It's become Christianese for going to heaven when you die. "Saved" in this context means to be delivered.

The spirit of man is the part of us that is born again. It is not the soul. The soul is where the problems lie. The soul is primarily mind, emotion and will. The spirit includes our conscience and intuition. The spirit relates to God, who is spirit and the soul relates to the earthly realm

The mind needs to be renewed. We will have a mind that is not in conformity with God's word. Our thoughts are not God's thoughts.

Our will is basically rebellious, focused on our own selfish desires. We have to learn that God's will is the ultimate and self will only leads to strife.

Many Christians are ruled by feelings. If they don't feel an emotional high, they assume that there is something wrong, that God does not love them or that they a have somehow sinned. So they can end up in doubt and unbelief, depression or even fall away for a time.

God wants us to be stable and unshakeable. That means learning to stand on God's word whether we understand it not, whether it pleases us or not, and whether it makes us feel good or not.

 
Justification by faith is the doctrine that is seperating many of us.

It is far more than a mere legal or forensic declaration; it is a divine work that brings about an inner change and a spiritual transformation in the believer
While some views, such as those in Calvinism, limit justification to a judicial or forensic sense, biblical justification is much deeper.

Genuine acceptance of Christ as a substitute for sin results in a new heart and a renewed mind, an Inner Transformation.

Not an Opiate, but a Stimulant: True faith is not a passive state that ignores duty; rather, it purifies the soul and creates a motive power that works by love Galatians 5:6

It establishes a living connection with God, rescuing the soul from the "rubbish of formality" and "satanic ideas" of justification by works

Justification by faith does not make void the law of God; instead, it establishes it Romans 3:31

The Inadequacy of Works = No person can be justified by the deeds of the law because the law only provides the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20

We are justified by faith alone, apart from works, yet genuine faith always produces corresponding works of obedience. James 2:18

You cannot truly preach the commandments of God without the faith of Jesus, nor the faith of Jesus without the commandments.

It is the victory that overcomes the world. 1 John 5:4

It requires the simplicity of faith—casting one's helpless soul upon the Redeemer just as one is.

Salvation was both a finished victory at the cross and is a continuing process in the heavenly sanctuary where Christ now intercedes for His people.

When Jesus died on Calvary, He proclaimed that the work of redemption was finished, signifying that the sacrifice for sin was perfect and the price of redemption was fully paid. John 19:30.

The death of Christ was a complete offering that satisfied the demands of justice and provided another trial for the human race.

At that moment, the power of Satan was broken, his defeat was made certain, and the universe was secured against his accusations.

This sacrifice is the central truth of the gospel, serving as a complete atonement for the fallen race and an immutable testimony to the validity of God's law.

But there is ALSO an Ongoing Work in Heaven.
While the sacrifice was completed at the cross, the actual application of that atonement continues as Christ performs His work as our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary. Hebrews 8:1-2.

Jesus entered the holy places in heaven with His own blood to make an intercession for us, which is just as essential to our salvation as His death was. Hebrews 9:12.

This intercessory work involves the mediation of His merits to those who come to God in faith, and it will be completed only when He closes His ministration in the sanctuary. Hebrews 7:25.

By His death, He began the work of redemption; by His life in heaven, He completes it.

The salvation process is also completed as individual believers cooperate with divine power to restore the moral image of God in their characters.

We are called to take up our own cross, follow the Savior’s example of self-denial, and labor for the salvation of others. Matthew 16:24.

The final restoration of man from the defilement of sin must be thorough, involving the daily sanctification of the life through obedience to God's truth.

Those who are faithful will eventually find eternal rest from the conflict with sin through the victory already achieved at Calvary

Would you like a summary of how Christ's intercessory work in the heavenly sanctuary relates to the final judgment?
This is one of SDA's heresies. When God forgives, He forgets. Hebrews 8:12 and 10:17. Believers are not judged as sinners. There is a different judgement for the lost. Christians are judged for their works, not as in a court of law, but as in a prize giving ceremony. Some will be greatly rewarded, others will suffer great loss. The subject of sin was dealt with once and for all at Calvary. To say otherwise is to insult the precious blood that Jesus shed for us.

The condition for forgiveness is simple: to confess the sin. (1 John 1:9)​
 
Justification by faith is the doctrine that is seperating many of us.

It is far more than a mere legal or forensic declaration; it is a divine work that brings about an inner change and a spiritual transformation in the believer
While some views, such as those in Calvinism, limit justification to a judicial or forensic sense, biblical justification is much deeper.

Genuine acceptance of Christ as a substitute for sin results in a new heart and a renewed mind, an Inner Transformation.

Not an Opiate, but a Stimulant: True faith is not a passive state that ignores duty; rather, it purifies the soul and creates a motive power that works by love Galatians 5:6

It establishes a living connection with God, rescuing the soul from the "rubbish of formality" and "satanic ideas" of justification by works

Justification by faith does not make void the law of God; instead, it establishes it Romans 3:31

The Inadequacy of Works = No person can be justified by the deeds of the law because the law only provides the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20

We are justified by faith alone, apart from works, yet genuine faith always produces corresponding works of obedience. James 2:18


I actually agree with the above. However, a justification by faith in Christ not obeying the law, means the law cannot condemn you.

The believer has to know in their heart they have no justification before God from first to last of obeying the law.

But, if someone says:

‘’You are justified apart from obeying the law but the justified will obey the ten commandments’’ for example. In the real world, that will practically speaking place the believer under righteousness of obeying the law. They can only be in a righteous state if they obey it.

The believer has to know in their heart they only have one righteousness before God for the whole of their life, faith in His son. Then, in a true believer change will come, for that is the belief needed to truly see that change.

True obedience is looking away from the law and to Christ, and reliance on the Holy Spirit for sanctification. You cannot die to looking to the law, if you believe your continued justification hinges on obeying it.

Believers will always stand guilty before the law, that is why Paul told born again Christians the letter of the ten commandments kills, it is the ministry of death and condemnation
 
Many Christians are ruled by feelings. If they don't feel an emotional high, they assume that there is something wrong, that God does not love them or that they a have somehow sinned. So they can end up in doubt and unbelief, depression or even fall away for a time.

God wants us to be stable and unshakeable. That means learning to stand on God's word whether we understand it not, whether it pleases us or not, and whether it makes us feel good or not.
I agree.

Feelings should not control us.

I would say that, the mind and spirit needs to determine our actions and thoughts rather then the emotions.
 
You are making a very common mistake. It's not just SDA who are confused. To be born again is instantaneous. However, there a "second salvation", which is the salvation of the soul. In Christ, we are already complete (Colossians 2:10). The soul is not immediately saved. The confusion arises partly because of the misuse of the word "saved". It's become Christianese for going to heaven when you die. "Saved" in this context means to be delivered.
I explain it like this...

To be forgiven is instantaneous.
To be given Justification in regard to the legal declaration, is instantaneous.
Imputed righteousness is when Jesus gives us His righteousness and we are seen as spotless.

But imparted righteousness is a process.
By faith in God's grace we are given Christ's righteousness to overcome.
We are made spotless through God's word and the power of the Holy Spirit.

To be Justified = to be pure and just and without fault before God.

Imputed and Imparted.
 
Believers will always stand guilty before the law, that is why Paul told born again Christians the letter of the ten commandments kills, it is the ministry of death and condemnation
Believers don't stand guilty for 2 reasons.

Imputed righteousness.
The gift of Justification that legally covers us. The blood of Jesus pays for ours sins so we are spotless and not guilty of transgressing the law.

Imparted righteousness.
The gift of Christ's characters within.
Jesus lived a perfect life and the power to overcome is given to us by faith.
He lives in us. The Holy Spirit empowers us. We overcome and don't sin because of Jesus in the heart. No sin = no guilt.

The law is not death
Sin is death, the law identifies sin..

Rom 7:12-14
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
 
Believers don't stand guilty for 2 reasons.

Imputed righteousness.
The gift of Justification that legally covers us. The blood of Jesus pays for ours sins so we are spotless and not guilty of transgressing the law.

Imparted righteousness.
The gift of Christ's characters within.
Jesus lived a perfect life and the power to overcome is given to us by faith.
He lives in us. The Holy Spirit empowers us. We overcome and don't sin because of Jesus in the heart. No sin = no guilt.

The law is not death
Sin is death, the law identifies sin..

Rom 7:12-14
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
But believers do sin for they all transgress the letter of the law
 
Will you argue with Jesus too? He said keep the commandments.
Same circular argument, different post.

That would be Jesus' numerous commandments, not the so-called "10 Commandments" that SDA's have been brainwashed to assume.
 
Believers will always stand guilty before the law, that is why Paul told born again Christians the letter of the ten commandments kills, it is the ministry of death and condemnation
Yes. The word of God calls the 10 commandments:

"the ministration of death"
"the ministration of condemnation"
"the letter [that] killeth"
"that which is done away"

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. (2 Cor. 3:5-11).
 
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