exactly, dillinger... that's exactly my point. Calvinists and OSASers always use John 10:27-28 to try and prove that no one can lose their salvation...
but fail to see that the context of v28 "no one will snatch them out of my hand" is applied to those only mentioned in v27 "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me"... Jesus is specifically speaking about those who hear Him and follow Him... ONLY those who hear Him and follow Him.
He says nothing about those who start to hear Him and follow Him, but fall away, or stray from the faith... this verse does not address those people... other Bible verses do address those people though...
Hymenaeus and Alexander (1 Tiimothy 1:18-20) they shipwrecked their faith
Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Timothy 2:16-18) they departed from the truth
Demas, who was a friend of Paul's (Colossians 4:14) and a fellow worker in the faith (Philemon 1:24), but fell away because of his love of the world (2 Timothy 4:10)
King Saul, whom God appointed to be King, yet his disobedience to God caused his downfall. the Spirit of the Lord departed him, and an evil spirit of the Lord tormented him (1 Samuel 16:14)
1 Timothy 4:15-16
15 Practice these things; be committed to them, so that your progress may be evident to all.
16 Be conscientious about yourself and your teaching; persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and your hearers.
Paul tells Timothy to persevere and keep in the faith... this specifically does not say once saved always saved... this shows nothing but perseverance... and perseverance is not a work... perseverance is simply staying true to the faith, standing firm in Christ, following Him, and hearing His voice... in doing exactly that, we have Life in the Son