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We could ask when the following was fulfilled, but I'm confident an answer would be found:

In those days and at that time,
when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will gather all nations
and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat
There I will put them on trial
for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel,
because they scattered my people among the nations
and divided up my land.
3 They cast lots for my people
and traded boys for prostitutes;
they sold girls for wine to drink.
4 ‘Now what have you against me, Tyre and Sidon and all you regions of Philistia? Are you repaying me for something I have done? If you are paying me back, I will swiftly and speedily return on your own heads what you have done. 5 For you took my silver and my gold and carried off my finest treasures to your temples.[6 You sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks, that you might send them far from their homeland.

7 ‘See, I am going to rouse them out of the places to which you sold them, and I will return on your own heads what you have done. 8 I will sell your sons and daughters to the people of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, a nation far away.’ The Lord has spoken.

9 Proclaim this among the nations:
Prepare for war!
Rouse the warriors!
Let all the fighting men draw near and attack.
10 Beat your ploughshares into swords
and your pruning hooks into spears.
Let the weakling say,
‘I am strong!’
11 Come quickly, all you nations from every side,
and assemble there.
Bring down your warriors, Lord!
12 ‘Let the nations be roused;
let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat,
for there I will sit
to judge all the nations on every side.
13 Swing the sickle,
for the harvest is ripe.
Come, trample the grapes,
for the winepress is full
and the vats overflow –
so great is their wickedness!’
14 Multitudes, multitudes
in the valley of decision!
For the day of the Lord is near
in the valley of decision.
15 The sun and moon will be darkened,
and the stars no longer shine.
16 The Lord will roar from Zion
and thunder from Jerusalem;
the earth and the heavens will tremble.
But the Lord will be a refuge for his people,
a stronghold for the people of Israel.

Blessings for God’s people​

17 ‘Then you will know that I, the Lord your God,
dwell in Zion, my holy hill.
Jerusalem will be holy;
never again will foreigners invade her.
18 ‘In that day the mountains will drip new wine,
and the hills will flow with milk;
all the ravines of Judah will run with water.
A fountain will flow out of the Lord’s house
and will water the valley of acacias.
19 But Egypt will be desolate,
Edom a desert waste,
because of violence done to the people of Judah,
in whose land they shed innocent blood.
20 Judah will be inhabited for ever
and Jerusalem through all generations.
21 Shall I leave their innocent blood unavenged?
No, I will not.’
The Lord dwells in Zion! Joel3
 
You were complaining the Israelites are committing genocide. I take it you would agree, by the definition of that word as you would understand it, God told Moses to commit genocide.

But the people over there now haven't been instructed by God to commit genocide. They are doing it of their own will because they, believing they are the people of God, think that they are entitled to the land (which they are not) and have no other hope.
 
But the people over there now haven't been instructed by God to commit genocide. They are doing it of their own will because they, believing they are the people of God, think that they are entitled to the land (which they are not) and have no other hope.
Yes I know, the old testament prophets spoke with one voice, God would return the Israelites to their biblical homeland and b less them there, but he didn't really mean it
 
We could ask when the following was fulfilled, but I'm confident an answer would be found:

In those days and at that time,
when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will gather all nations
and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat
There I will put them on trial
for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel,
because they scattered my people among the nations
and divided up my land.
3 They cast lots for my people
and traded boys for prostitutes;
they sold girls for wine to drink.
4 ‘Now what have you against me, Tyre and Sidon and all you regions of Philistia? Are you repaying me for something I have done? If you are paying me back, I will swiftly and speedily return on your own heads what you have done. 5 For you took my silver and my gold and carried off my finest treasures to your temples.[6 You sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks, that you might send them far from their homeland.

7 ‘See, I am going to rouse them out of the places to which you sold them, and I will return on your own heads what you have done. 8 I will sell your sons and daughters to the people of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, a nation far away.’ The Lord has spoken.

9 Proclaim this among the nations:
Prepare for war!
Rouse the warriors!
Let all the fighting men draw near and attack.
10 Beat your ploughshares into swords
and your pruning hooks into spears.
Let the weakling say,
‘I am strong!’
11 Come quickly, all you nations from every side,
and assemble there.
Bring down your warriors, Lord!
12 ‘Let the nations be roused;
let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat,
for there I will sit
to judge all the nations on every side.
13 Swing the sickle,
for the harvest is ripe.
Come, trample the grapes,
for the winepress is full
and the vats overflow –
so great is their wickedness!’
14 Multitudes, multitudes
in the valley of decision!
For the day of the Lord is near
in the valley of decision.
15 The sun and moon will be darkened,
and the stars no longer shine.
16 The Lord will roar from Zion
and thunder from Jerusalem;
the earth and the heavens will tremble.
But the Lord will be a refuge for his people,
a stronghold for the people of Israel.

Blessings for God’s people​

17 ‘Then you will know that I, the Lord your God,
dwell in Zion, my holy hill.
Jerusalem will be holy;
never again will foreigners invade her.
18 ‘In that day the mountains will drip new wine,
and the hills will flow with milk;
all the ravines of Judah will run with water.
A fountain will flow out of the Lord’s house
and will water the valley of acacias.
19 But Egypt will be desolate,
Edom a desert waste,
because of violence done to the people of Judah,
in whose land they shed innocent blood.
20 Judah will be inhabited for ever
and Jerusalem through all generations.
21 Shall I leave their innocent blood unavenged?
No, I will not.’
The Lord dwells in Zion! Joel3

If you can't learn to discern the various visions within chapters you are are always going to be deceived because the prophets didn't write their visions in chapters (or even verses). Those are a much later invention added in the 13th century AD by - wait for it - a THEOLOGIAN.
 
If you can't learn to discern the various visions within chapters you are are always going to be deceived because the prophets didn't write their visions in chapters (or even verses). Those are a much later invention added in the 13th century AD by - wait for it - a THEOLOGIAN.
Just another prophecy alongside all the others.
However, most of the people failed to recognise the prophecies coming true before their eyes when Christ walked this earth, so you are in the majority
 
Yes I know, the old testament prophets spoke with one voice, God would return the Israelites to their biblical homeland and b less them there, but he didn't really mean it

And the prophets all foretold the same thing - the restoration of Israel in Christ that began 2000 years ago. Here's another verse for you to disbelieve. "These days" is the time Peter was speaking.

And all the prophets from Samuel and as many as spoke thereafter foretold these days. Acts 3:24
 
Well the words ''ten commandments'' are for the old covenant, not the new one. But that would be for a different thread
If go by nt, then follow Jesus, love God and love neighbor.
Don't genocide, steal, rob, murder....

Where does Jesus call Christians to murder, steal, rob?
 
I haven't been discussing this subject with you, it has nothing to do with what we are discussing, and I am not interested in discussing it with you.

The Law or Good Works? What's the Difference...if Any? Posts74&76​

Possibly your memory is not what it should be
 
And the prophets all foretold the same thing - the restoration of Israel in Christ that began 2000 years ago. Here's another verse for you to disbelieve. "These days" is the time Peter was speaking.

And all the prophets from Samuel and as many as spoke thereafter foretold these days. Acts 3:24
Oh dear, that's as bad as your Acts 15 reference
 
If go by nt, then follow Jesus, love God and love neighbor.
Don't genocide, steal, rob, murder....

Where does Jesus call Christians to murder, steal, rob?
Well there are numerous prophecies in the OT concerning the Israelites being returned to their biblical homeland. They are fighting for their survival. And genocide was committed against them on October7.
However, not all the people living in Israel now are chosen to remain there, once fulfillment has come
 
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Well there are numerous prophecies in the OT concerning the Israelites being returned to their biblical homeland. They are fighting for their survival. And genocide was committed against them on October7.
However, not all the people living in Israel now are chosen to remain there, once fulfillment has come
you need to give references so you can be corrected on you lack of understanding - Darby and Scholfied are not the bible btw
 
you need to give references so you can be corrected on you lack of understanding - Darby and Scholfied are not the bible btw
Never read anything of Darby and Schofield BTW
What you mean is, my lack of understanding by believing the plain words of the bible can be changed by the theologising of others who wish to turn the plain words of the bible to their errant understanding. And I am expected to accept such theologising in order to know the truth
 
Never read anything of Darby and Schofield BTW
What you mean is, my lack of understanding by believing the plain words of the bible can be overturned by the theologising of others. And I am expected to accept such theologising in order to know the truth

Jesus tells the unbelieving Jews they are not of His sheep in the plain reading of the Bible.​


John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
 

Jesus tells the unbelieving Jews they are not of His sheep in the plain reading of the Bible.​


John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me

Jesus tells the unbelieving Jews they are not of His sheep in the plain reading of the Bible.​


John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
That won't fly I'm afraid. Have to do better