Calvinism is Gospel !

[Magenta]

Malachi

 

[Magenta]

You Call Us By Name

 

[HeIsHere]

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I feel vindicated, lol, I argued this position so much on a different thread, that it was outside of the early church and outside of evangelicalism in the West as well.

 

[Anchorite]

That is bizarre. This thread on Calvinism is being hijacked by the dragon and unicorn lady spamming it with her AI music videos.

 

[Magenta]

That is bizarre. This thread on Calvinism is being hijacked by the dragon and unicorn lady spamming it with her AI music videos.

I am not surprised you call praise and worship "spam." It suits your theology and deceitful nature.

 

[Calmador]

Faith is a gift but many free willers deny this. They like to believe that they generated something good out of the wickedness of their God hating heart, and in order to do that they deny what Scriptures plainly teach on the fallen nature of man... You know Jesus Christ? Yeah, in His very Own words He said there were none good and that a bad tree cannot produce a good fruit. Is faith a good friut? I am not calling it a work. Scripture calls it a fruit of the Spirit. It is not a fruit of the flesh... the natural man so many of you love to claim is capable of doing what Scripture says he cannot.

Again..

Biblically, faith is NOT good. It's amoral. I believe the book of James, Galatians, and John talk about it and Romans.

Romans 3:28: "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law." [1, 2, 3]

Faith is often contrasted with works. This is bread and butter Christianity. Because faith is not a good work, fallen man can do this. And God asks us to... it's as clear as day light.

 

[Magenta]

Again..

Biblically, faith is NOT good. It's amoral. I believe the book of James, Galatians, and John talk about it and Romans.

Romans 3:28: "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law." [1, 2, 3]

Faith is often contrasted with works. This is bread and butter Christianity. Because faith is not a good work, fallen man can do this. And God asks us to... it's as clear as day light.

Faith is amoral? Wow. I have no idea what you are on about.

Here is my "again" ~

Flesh serves the law of sin and brings forth fruit unto death. It does not generate faith, which leads to life.

 

[Magenta]

The free will camp assumes, with no supporting text and contrary to many verses that evidence the opposite, that the man of flesh is free to choose, and will believe, that which he can neither receive nor comprehend, and to which he is inherently opposed with his uncircumcised heart of stone. There is simply no getting around the fact that this is the core of their belief, and it flies in the face of what Scripture actually teaches about the natural man who is a slave to sin and lover of darkness refusing to come into the light, blinded to truth and under the power and influence of Satan: he serves the law of sin which brings forth fruit unto death, not life. Without the indwelling Holy Spirit of God, his incurably wicked heart cannot be changed. He hates God, rejects the light, and hears the gospel message as foolishness. Praise the Lord if He has set you free!

 

[Magenta]

Flesh serves the law of sin. Forthe flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Nothing good lives in my flesh. Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”? Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one! The flesh brings forth fruit unto death. Romans 7 v 25, Galatians 5 v 17, Romans 7 v 18, Proverbs 20 v 9, Job 14 v 4, Romans 7 v 5 (Romans 8 v 13 and James 1 v 15)
I believe what the Bible says.

 

[Calmador]

Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” (Joh 6:29 NRSVue)

Is "the work of God" good or is it evil?

Does it say that it is good or evil? It doesn't. It says the work of God. That's a reasonable read.

Jesus also said that it's easier for a camel to enter the hole in a needle then a rich man enter the kingdom of heaven.

Considering the whole counsel of the Bible says thay faith and works are distinct. Faith is not a work. The book of John, Galatians, James, and Romans say this. If you want one example:

Romans 3:28: "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law." [1, 2, 3]

Considering the whole counsel of the Bible. I think this is Jesus being playful with theology.

 

[Magenta]

The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” Since the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. from 1 Corinthians 1 verses 18-21 The natural man does not choose to believe that which he can neither receive nor comprehend, for it is foolishness to him.

 

[Genez]

Don’t forget, we are ALL one in Christ. No differentiation. We are ALL heirs of Abraham, IF we are in Christ.

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭28‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

That refers to both Jews and Gentiles who are in the Church.
For in Christ, we have become the one new man!

For we are now a New Creation in Christ.
No longer Jew nor Gentile.

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The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. ​

Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, ​

but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. Galatians 3:16​

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[Calmador]

You seem to simplify it in a way not intended, but that is a common extreme others fall prey to, whereas what Scripture says in
the words of Jesus Christ Himself is that there are none good and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. Maybe start from there.

It is apparent that what people are objecting to is their own made-up definitions instead of what terms actually mean.

While often misunderstood, the doctrine of total depravity is an acknowledgement that the
Bible teaches that as a result of the fall of man (Genesis 3:6) every part of man—his mind, will,
emotions and flesh—have been corrupted by sin. In other words, sin affects all areas of our being
including who we are and what we do. Everything is tainted by sin and “…all our righteous acts are
like filthy rags” before a holy God (Isaiah 64:6). We sin because we are sinners by nature.

Total depravity summarizes what the Bible teaches about the spiritual condition of fallen man.
Because the name “total depravity” can cause people to have wrong ideas about what is meant,
some people prefer to use terms like “total inability,” “righteous incapability,” “radical corruption”
or even “moral inability.” Yet what is important is not the name assigned to the doctrine but how
accurately the doctrine summarizes what the Bible teaches about the spiritual condition of fallen
man. No matter which name you use to refer to “total depravity,” the fact remains that when properly
understood it is an accurate description of what the Bible does teach on this important subject.

The total depravity of man is seen throughout the Bible. Man’s heart is “deceitful and desperately wicked” (Jeremiah 17:9). The Bible also teaches us that man is born dead in transgression and sin (Psalm 51:5, Psalm 58:3, Ephesians 2:1-5). The Bible teaches that because unregenerate man is “dead in transgressions” (Ephesians 2:5), he is held captive by a love for sin (John 3:19; John 8:34) so that he will not seek God (Romans 3:10-11) because he loves the darkness (John 3:19) and does not understand the things of God (1 Corinthians 2:14). Therefore, men suppress the truth of God in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18) and continue to willfully live in sin. Because they are totally depraved, this sinful lifestyle seems right to men (Proverbs 14:12) so they reject the gospel of Christ as foolishness (1 Corinthians 1:18) and their mind is “hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is unable to do so” (Romans 8:7).

The Apostle Paul summarizes the total depravity of man in Romans 3:9-18. He begins this passage by saying that “both Jews and Greeks are all under sin.” Simply put, this means that man is under the control of sin or is controlled by his sin nature (his natural tendency to sin). Then in the rest of this passage Paul quotes extensively from the Old Testament in explaining how sinful man really is. For example, we see that:

1—no one is without sin,

2—no one seeks after God,

3—there is no one who is good,

4—their speech is corrupted by sin,

5—their actions are corrupted by sin, and

6—above all, they have no fear of God.

So, when one considers even these few verses, it becomes abundantly clear the Bible does indeed teach
that fallen man is “totally depraved,” because sin affects all of him including his mind, will and emotions
so that “there is none who does good, no not one” (Romans 3:12). source

I'll give you two references as to why your position is wrong and unbiblical.

Read this very carefully... it must be read carefully. I'll highlight the import parts. This scripture shows the entirety of a free will position.. while giving God the glory as well. So the words "to become" are the key. These believers were NOT born again. The believers who received God... they were given the right to BECOME children of God. If Calvinism were true, it should read... the children of God believed and received. Actually, almost always scripture shows this order... but to me this is the clearest detection of it. You can see it frame by frame.

Then I highlighted the "who were born" because this is a new event. The belief in God was being done by NON-children of God... who were given the right to BECOME children of God. They are NOT yet children of God but they have it in the bag.

Now verse 13, these non children of God, are born. God decided to give Sprayer birth to those who did receive and believed. This is the will of God, not of flesh, nor the will of man, but of God... the will of God is to give Spiritual birth to as many as received him.

This is common sense Christianity. Seeing this otherwise, you'd have to be indoctrinated into Calvinism to hyper focus on the verse 13 and say God did it all. Faith is something God calls and draws us to do. This is biblical and not all that are called will come... that is also bible as well.

John 1:12-13

12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [a]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Okay, I'm going to leave you with a video of Dr. Flowers for rhe second point. Why did Jesus use parables... on the spiritual dead???

Calvinism is not necessary

 

[Magenta]

I'll give you two references as to why your position is wrong and unbiblical.

Read this very carefully... it must be read carefully. I'll highlight the import parts. This scripture shows the entirety of a free will position.. while giving God the glory as well. So the words "to become" are the key. These believers were NOT born again. The believers who received God... they were given the right to BECOME children of God. If Calvinism were true, it should read... the children of God believed and received. Actually, almost always scripture shows this order... but to me this is the clearest detection of it. You can see it frame by frame.

Then I highlighted the "who were born" because this is a new event. The belief in God was being done by NON-children of God... who were given the right to BECOME children of God. They are NOT yet children of God but they have it in the bag.

Now verse 13, these non children of God, are born. God decided to give Sprayer birth to those who did receive and believed. This is the will of God, not of flesh, nor the will of man, but of God... the will of God is to give Spiritual birth to as many as received him.

This is common sense Christianity. Seeing this otherwise, you'd have to be indoctrinated into Calvinism to hyper focus on the verse 13 and say God did it all. Faith is something God calls and draws us to do. This is biblical and not all that are called will come... that is also bible as well.

John 1:12-13

12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [a]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Okay, I'm going to leave you with a video of Dr. Flowers for rhe second point. Why did Jesus use parables... on the spiritual dead???

Calvinism is not necessary

To me they were born first and everything else proceeds from that. And what is clear is that it
is born of God's will, not man's... and this is plainly stated, but free willers reject that outright.

 

[Magenta]

John 3 verse 27~ “A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.” John 1 3 verses 12-13~ To all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God - children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God. John 6 3 verse 44~ “No man can come to me except the Father, which hath sent me, draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” Romans 9 3 verse 16~ So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. Romans 8 3 verse 16~ The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.

 

[Aussie52]

To me they were born first and everything else proceeds from that. And what is clear is that it
is born of God's will, not man's... and this is plainly stated, but free willers reject that outright.

Although we cannot be saved without Christ, neither can we be saved without choosing Christ. We have no choice in obtaining regeneration/new birth, that is God given, but we do choose in the area of conversion. We (not Christ) must do the repenting and the believing.

 

[Magenta]

Although we cannot be saved without Christ, neither can we be saved without choosing Christ.
We have no choice in obtaining regeneration/new birth, that is God given, but we do choose in
the area of conversion. We (not Christ) must do the repenting and the believing.

Those given to Christ come to Him, no ifs or maybes are in the text. One free willer said they were
convinced by God and then got to decide if they believed. Do you see how illogical that statement is?
If one is convinced they already do believe. But they saw themself as being highly intellectual any ways.
God makes such attitudes look foolish, yes, I sure see that. Don't overlook the belief some have of not
needing God at all. Then they say how unfair God is and other ridiculous nonsense and some of it is too
disgusting to repeat, all because they disagree with what the Bible actually literally explicitly articulates.
Your other points I have never contested, but people lie about me often. It shows how desperate they are.

Jesus' words in Matthew 17 v 20-21
Faith the size of a mustard seed moved the mountain of my unbelief.

 

[Inquisitor]

Just about every cult in the world believes those historical facts, and they cant tell you who Jesus Christ

That's not entirely true.

Most folk I have seen on Christian Forums that belong to corrupt churches have a "fuller gospel".

They certainly do not stand firmly on 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 alone for their salvation.

They have additional critical rules that must be obeyed to the letter for their salvation.

They also usually refer to their church as the only true church and all other churches are corrupt.

If you disagree with their theology you are the devil's minion.

They never rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ nor do they boast in Christ.

These points are very common as if they all follow the same script.

 

[brightfame52]

what you're missing in all this is the fact that any other theology and it's adherent could write this exact same thing by substituting their theology name in exchange "Calvinism" youre no different than anybody else.

Calvinism is the Gospel ! You are being shown !

 

[brightfame52]

That's not entirely true.

Yes it is. If you think by merely reciting the historical facts , of the DBR of Christ without substance from scripture, that you preached the Gospel, you are sadly mistaken Jehovah witnesses believe those bare facts, is that a Christ honoring group that honors the Person of Jesus Christ ?