1948 Not THE Fulfillment of Prophecy

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Lovette said:
I gotta say that I find this sentiment of antisemetism very disturbing. From the mid 19th century to the mid 20th century there had been a zeitgeist of revolution for national independence, all nations deserve a homeland, so why not the Jews? If not the Jews, to whom does the Holy Land belong? Romans? Crusaders? Arabs? Ottaman turks? Britan? Today's Palestine is a made up ethnicity that doesn't exist in history, the name "Palestine” derived from Philestine, the demonic tribe of Goliath that fought with king David. The Holy Land was named after that to humiliate the Jews. This strip of land is God's promised land for Israel, it is their birthright, the whole bible, especially the first five books, is their deed of trust. On a national level, those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed!
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Can you prove your claims from Jesus and the New Testament?
 
Lovette said:
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." That's the conclusion of the Great Commission: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you;” That's the definitive sign of the end, and Israel must be among "all nations". In fact, Israel will be the last, for "the first will be the last and the last first." This is all prophecy according to God's schedule, they'll come to Jesus in one way or another.

Besides, there's the parable of the fig tree, which points to non other than the revival of Israel. During Jesus's ministry, Jesus cursed the fig tree for its being fruitless, causing it to rapidly wither away, that was the fall of Israel; when the same tree grows out new leaves, that's the revival.
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You must be able to see that those teachings could be taken to apply to both understandings of Israel expressed here.
Lovette said:
Today's Palestine is a made up ethnicity that doesn't exist in history, the name "Palestine” derived from Philestine, the demonic tribe of Goliath that fought with king David.
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For someone who is making a protest about racism that is an outstandingly racist thing to say.
How can anybody be made up of an ethnicity that does not exist in History?
Do you not understand that God is known to show mercy to people who He has once judged?
Did you forget that the New Testament ever happened?
Did you ever follow the story of Egypt, Nineveh and Israel?
Yes, there a mix of ancestry in modern Palestinians.
They also have ancestors that were Christian and Jewish.
Perhaps you should consider abandoning the game you are playing.
You have been trying to relive the Old Testament and are divorced from reality.

Lovette said:
On a national level, those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed!
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That is the much repeated pulpit slogan, but in the context of the modern State of Israel it is a big fat lie.
 
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Slightly off topic, but the UN has come out with its report into war crimes by Israel against Palestinian children. It appears that there is much evidence that the Israelis have used toys with bombs inside, to kill children. I find this immensely disturbing.
 
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Beekeeper said:
Mathew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The trouble is that you make it sound as if Jesus is waiting for "the Jews" to go to Israel and is dependent on their belief before he is willing to return.
It is actually the other way around.
He will come whether they are ready or not, and they are dependent on Him.
Whether Jesus speaks concerning His second coming or seeing through the eyes of faith, there is nothing in the verse to suggest that they must be located at "Israel" in order to say "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."
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Abraham once also thought it his duty to make God's prophesy happen.
He had no Idea how much trouble he was starting.
 
Aussie52 said:
Slightly off topic, but the UN has come out with its report into war crimes by Israel against Palestinian children. It appears that there is much evidence that the Israelis have used toys with bombs inside, to kill children. I find this immensely disturbing.
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I am the son of an immigrant.
My father escaped Palestine in 1948.
This is nothing new, He saw worse.
 
Beekeeper said:
You must be able to see that those teachings could be taken to apply to both understandings of Israel expressed here.

For someone who is making a protest about racism that is an outstandingly racist thing to say.
How can anybody be made up of an ethnicity that does not exist in History?
Do you not understand that God is known to show mercy to people who He has once judged?
Did you forget that the New Testament ever happened?
Did you ever follow the story of Egypt, Nineveh and Israel?
Yes, there a mix of ancestry in modern Palestinians.
They also have ancestors that were Christian and Jewish.
Perhaps you should consider abandoning the game you are playing.
You have been trying to relive the Old Testament and are divorced from reality.



That is the much repeated pulpit slogan, but in the context of the modern State of Israel it is a big fat lie.
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All this is antisemetic nonsense. God shows no mercy to the enemy of his chosen people.
 
Beekeeper said:
I am the son of an immigrant.
My father escaped Palestine in 1948.
This is nothing new, He saw worse.
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I posted a thread on the forced eviction of 750,000 Palestinians by Israel in 1948, but the Forum would not post it.
I feel very strongly about what is happening in Palestine, particularly, Gaza.
I get very angry at the deliberate blindness of many Evangelicals with their unconditional support of Israel and its crimes against the Palestinians.
 
Aussie52 said:
Slightly off topic, but the UN has come out with its report into war crimes by Israel against Palestinian children. It appears that there is much evidence that the Israelis have used toys with bombs inside, to kill children. I find this immensely disturbing.
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The only war crime is Palestine's Oct 7 massacre of innocent Israelis. Whatever bombs and bullets they get they deserve.
 
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Aussie52 said:
How can your heart be so callous in regard to so many being killed? What happened to 'love your neighbor'?
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How can you defend such a slum of terrorists? Let them be killed, it's justice, blood for blood, life for life.
 
Aussie52 said:
I posted a thread on the forced eviction of 750,000 Palestinians by Israel in 1948, but the Forum would not post it.
I feel very strongly about what is happening in Palestine, particularly, Gaza.
I get very angry at the deliberate blindness of many Evangelicals with their unconditional support of Israel and its crimes against the Palestinians.
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Good, get them all out, it's been long overdue. They gave Hitler the idea of the holocaust, now they deserve a taste of their own medicine.
 
Lovette said:
No it didn't. Israel is of all twelve tribes, not just Judah and Benjamin. This is the pitfall for most people who don't know the distinction between Israelites and Jews.
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Most or all of the disciples lived in Galilee, which wasn't populated with Judeans. Joseph, Jesus' father, only lived there because when he returned to Judea from Egypt he was afraid of being so close to Herod's successor and moved to Galilee for safety. The Jews looked down their noses at Galileans ("shall anything good come out of Galilee"). They weren't Jews (Judeans) otherwise they wouldn't have spoken the way they did ("The Jews seek to kill thee"). Jeremiah prophesied that the new covenant would be cut with the houses of Israel and Judah, so the 11 disciples at the passover meal had to be from both Israel and Judah.

You're under the delusion that only Judah and Benjamin returned to the land after the exile.
 
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