1948 Not THE Fulfillment of Prophecy
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This is a dispensational myth. What Jesus said in Luke 13:35 was fulfilled by his disciples as he descended the Mt of Olive when he returned to Jerusalem, what appears to be 3 days later (Luke 19:38). That is why Jesus told the Pharisees who were complaining about the crowd lauding him as the king of Israel that the stones themselves would have cried out "blessed is he that come in the name of the lord" if his disciples hadn't done so, because he said in Luke 13:35 that it would happen. That fixes the fulfillment to that point in time
The land belongs to Jesus. Only unbelievers who think they are entitled to the land and those who are deceived by them are fixated on the land, because that is their only hope. They are cut off from the covenant with God and are trying to enter the sheepfold some other way than through the shepherd.
This is taking ridiculousness to a new level, but it's good you openly said it because it is the essence of what dispensationalism/zionism is all about. It's not about the people of God ruled by God; it's about a geo-political nation like all other nations that people pretending to be God's chosen want instead of being ruled by God. It's a continuation of Israel's former rebellion against God.
Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD. And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. 1 Samuel 8:4-7
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Indeed, they are led of their rational minds to learn, and think they have learnt much, but the rational mind cannot lead into spiritual truth
That's entirely untrue. God gives us a sound mind, not an irrational one.
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 2 Timothy 1:7
A rational mind concludes that when something is removed and then something else is put in its place, the former thing has been replaced. But an irrational mind that is governed by the thought that replacement is not an acceptable idea is unable to reach the same conclusion and will distort reality to match the irrational conclusion.
Sounds kind of aloof.
Does that mean that we understand what we believe while you just feel religiously obliged to defend things that make no sense even to yourself?
Sounds like weeping and gnashing of teeth.
I genuinely hope you get that peace that passeth all understanding.
Why not look in the Jerusalem above?
In Jerusalem that is now you will only get everlasting conflict.
You have to stop playing the dispensational card. Were the puritans dispensationalists? Was the early church dispensationalist? NO! Yet they believed in a future restoration of Israel. Period end of story.
Also your interpretation on Luke 13:35 is WAY OFF because Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees, NOT His disciples
"“Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man." Gen 9:6
"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword." Rev. 13:10
The other tribes were dispersed by the Assyrian conquest long before the Babylonian exile.
Unfortunately that "Jerusalem above" is more than 1000 years away. Before that, Lord Jesus shall return on Mount Olives and build his kingdom, with a headquarter in the current Jerusalem.
The whole earth belongs to Jesus, yet Satan is still the prince of the air, until the lord returns. Before that, territories are allotted to the nations.
When the Most High divided their inheritance to the nations, When He separated the sons of Adam, He set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the children of Israel (or Sons of God, dead sea scroll). For the Lord’s portion is His people;
Jacob is the place of His inheritance. (Deut. 32:8-9)
And whatever you spew out is in essence false replacement theology and antisemitism.
Yes, but they believed what Paul wrote that the faithful spiritual remnant of Israel is restored. They have been since Pentecost, are being so now and will be returned to the land at the resurrection. The unfaithful unbelieving part of Israel will never be restored. Yet dispensationalists believe that unfaithful Israel are the ones who are restored
Or for the terrorists who use civilians as human shields.
What part of "you are come" don't you understand?
But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24
Are you reading what you write?
There is no need to restore the spiritual Israel, there is a need to restore the apostate nation. And its NOT just dispensationalists. You have to stop bearing false witness. Joel Richardson is NOT a dispensationalist, neither is Michael Brown, Owens, Justin Martyr the list goes on and on. You are the new kid on the block, this theology you are putting forth is the new one.
What part of "more than 1000 years away" don't you understand?
Now when the thousand years have expired ...
Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.