Adventists, Ellen G. White, failed prophecies and scripture

[TMS]

‘’You are justified apart from obeying the law but the justified will obey the ten commandments’’ for example. In the real world, that will practically speaking place the believer under righteousness of obeying the law. They can only be in a righteous state if they obey it.

The order and motive is important.

You are justified apart from obeying the law.

You are not obeying it to be saved and know that you can not save yourself by obeying it.
It only takes one sin to result in eternal death. So you know you are lost even if you obey every law perfectly from that point on.

But because of God wonderful Love for us you want to obey it. Because you love Jesus you want to follow Him.
Do I follow the commands to be saved or because I love Jesus for saving me?

Motive is love
You keep then as a result of your faith and desire to serve.

Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

 

[TMS]

But believers do sin for they all transgress the letter of the law

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

We establish the Law by faith..

Rom 6:1-2
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

The law is not sin

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The law is Holy.

 

[TMS]

Same circular argument, different post.

That would be Jesus' numerous commandments, not the so-called "10 Commandments" that SDA's have been brainwashed to assume.

Context. ...
Who is brain washed???

Let us look at scripture..

Mat 19:16-20
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

keep the commandments... which ones.. ?

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

Jesus helped him to see the one he was lacking. The 1st of the 10
The young man loved his money more then God.

Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Jesus came to magnify the law.

The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honorable.
Isaiah 42:21
He magnified the law by showing it applies to the thoughts. For example, He taught that the law against adultery is violated by a lustful look Matthew 5:27-28, and the law against murder is violated by harboring anger.. Matthew 5:21-22.

 

[Thaddeus]

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

We establish the Law by faith..

Rom 6:1-2
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

The law is not sin

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The law is Holy.

Do you perfectly obey the letter 0f all applicable law and therefore live a sinless life, or do you commit sin?

 

[Thaddeus]

The order and motive is important.

You are justified apart from obeying the law.

You are not obeying it to be saved and know that you can not save yourself by obeying it.
It only takes one sin to result in eternal death. So you know you are lost even if you obey every law perfectly from that point on.

But because of God wonderful Love for us you want to obey it. Because you love Jesus you want to follow Him.
Do I follow the commands to be saved or because I love Jesus for saving me?

Motive is love
You keep then as a result of your faith and desire to serve.

Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

This is how to grow in holiness.

The believer is called to look away from themselves and to Christ. While you are doing this, you cannot be seeking to wilfully follow after the flesh, it is one or the other. Whilst you are looking to Christ, and trusting him to bring you to live an evermore holy life, via the sanctification of the Spirit, you will transgress the letter of the law for that letter kills(2Cor3:6) But, as long as we are looking to Christ, we will grow in holiness.

The more we look to Christ, and rely on the Spirit, the more the fruits of the Spirit grow in our lives(Gal5:22) Against that fruit there is no law(verse23) For that fruit is the embodiment of how God wants you to live your life.

For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh Phil3:3

Putting your confidence in self, rather than God, will not lead to holy living.

Luke6:46

Carry each others burdens(love them) and so FULFILL the law of Christ(Gal6:2)

I thin k it is much better to view it that way, for how many christians do you know, who even try to obey each and every literal command of Christ?

 

[Thaddeus]

Yes. The word of God calls the 10 commandments:

"the ministration of death"
"the ministration of condemnation"
"the letter [that] killeth"
"that which is done away"

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. (2 Cor. 3:5-11).

Paul also said the believer must die to the law, they are released from it and serve in the new way of the spirit not the old way of the written code/law. He then gave an exampl,e of the law he was referring to. The example given was one of the ten commandments: Thou shalt not covet(Rom7:4-11)

Those who look to the ten commandments in order to live a holy life do not hold that law to the level it is set at, if they did they would be crushed.

 

[TMS]

Do you perfectly obey the letter 0f all applicable law and therefore live a sinless life, or do you commit sin?

If I don't know the law I will sin.
If I believe the law is void, I will sin.

But if i know what Gods will is, and the Holy Spirit lives in me and I surrender all to Him I will not sin.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Phi 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

By faith in Christ we can overcome sin.

 

[Thaddeus]

If I don't know the law I will sin.
If I believe the law is void, I will sin.

But if i know what Gods will is, and the Holy Spirit lives in me and I surrender all to Him I will not sin.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Phi 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

By faith in Christ we can overcome sin.

Why are you reluctant to answer a simple question?
Are you a transgressor of the law or do you fully obey the letter of it?

 

[Gideon300]

I explain it like this...

To be forgiven is instantaneous.
To be given Justification in regard to the legal declaration, is instantaneous.
Imputed righteousness is when Jesus gives us His righteousness and we are seen as spotless.

But imparted righteousness is a process.
By faith in God's grace we are given Christ's righteousness to overcome.
We are made spotless through God's word and the power of the Holy Spirit.

To be Justified = to be pure and just and without fault before God.

Imputed and Imparted.

When I stand before my Lord Jesus, it will be as one who is justified and righteous. That is because I claim no righteousness of my own and I am justified by trusting in the finished work of Christ crucified and raised from the dead. I will not face Christ as a sinner.

SDA doctrine states that no one can be assured of salvation unless they are conformed to the Adventist doctrines, Funny how their arch enemy, the Catholics, say much the same thing about their religion.

 

[pinebeach]

My understanding is that a false prophecy is when someone falsely claims God said something. If someone says, "Thus saith the Lord" followed by a message that God did not say, possibly including a prediction that does not come to pass, that would be a false prophecy. What Miller did might have been better described as teaching false doctrine using prophetic scriptures. If he wasn't claiming God said something God did not say, but was misinterpreting what had been revealed, that is a different category.

What do you think this thread is about actually? Have you actually read it or some of it? FYI, White was often saying God told her this or that etc. I don't need your definition and frankly, I cannot understand why you are trying to define something this thread has covered extensively.

I'm not even bothering with it anymore so I don't why you address me. False prophets exist now and have always been kicking around and there is more of them then those actually called by God. False (and not just prophecy) is rampant and is getting worse and no, I don't wish to debate it. I no longer care for any of it. Thanks much

smh

 

[presidente]

What do you think this thread is about actually? Have you actually read it or some of it? FYI, White was often saying God told her this or that etc. I don't need your definition and frankly, I cannot understand why you are trying to define something this thread has covered extensively.

I'm not even bothering with it anymore so I don't why you address me. False prophets exist now and have always been kicking around and there is more of them then those actually called by God. False (and not just prophecy) is rampant and is getting worse and no, I don't wish to debate it. I no longer care for any of it. Thanks much

smh

False prophets prophesy falsely. That's different from teaching bad eschatology. EG White was supposed to be prophesying or sharing revelation, and the more radical SDAs take her mundane, flowerly writings as if they were prophetic. I don't know that Miller ever prophesied anything.

I don't like to see even dead people defamed.

You seem to have a bad, curmudgeonly attitude. I don't know if we have even interacted before. You might want to abstain from acting like that with people you just meet, even online. Sorry if we've interacted and I don't remember.

As for your question, I'd probably read the OP and skimmed a few posts at that point. But it is normal to respond to the OP.

 

[TMS]

When I stand before my Lord Jesus, it will be as one who is justified and righteous. That is because I claim no righteousness of my own and I am justified by trusting in the finished work of Christ crucified and raised from the dead. I will not face Christ as a sinner.

SDA doctrine states that no one can be assured of salvation unless they are conformed to the Adventist doctrines, Funny how their arch enemy, the Catholics, say much the same thing about their religion.

No you are wrong.
Jesus Has sheep in all different places.
Every church, Even the Catholic church has saved people. God is Judge.

But don't be deceived.
Mat 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Not everyone that claims the name of Jesus will be saved.

Those that work iniquity will not be known by Jesus.

You can not have it both ways.

Claiming to know Jesus and sinning (iniquity) is not salvation.

Salvation from sin = you are free from sin, saved from sin, no longer a slave to sin.
Jesus will give you complete victory.

Faith is required for both imputed and Imparted victory.

 

[Gideon300]

No you are wrong.
Jesus Has sheep in all different places.
Every church, Even the Catholic church has saved people. God is Judge.

But don't be deceived.
Mat 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Not everyone that claims the name of Jesus will be saved.

Those that work iniquity will not be known by Jesus.

You can not have it both ways.

Claiming to know Jesus and sinning (iniquity) is not salvation.

Salvation from sin = you are free from sin, saved from sin, no longer a slave to sin.
Jesus will give you complete victory.

Faith is required for both imputed and Imparted victory.

I've read the articles of "faith" spouted by SDA. They are little different from Catholicism when it comes to salvation.

If you believe that you must be sinless in order to be saved, you are going to hell.

1 John 1:7-10

"But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.…"

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[JustThinking]

I've read the articles of "faith" spouted by SDA. They are little different from Catholicism when it comes to salvation.

If you believe that you must be sinless in order to be saved, you are going to hell.

1 John 1:7-10

"But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.…"

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As I understand Seventh-day Adventist teaching, they do not officially teach that a person must first become personally sinless in order to be saved. Their official position is that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by human works or by achieving sinless perfection. This is the opposite of the Catholic church.

Where the confusion comes in is that Adventists strongly emphasize obedience, sanctification, Sabbath-keeping, judgment, and victory over sin.

The biblical position is that Christ saves sinners by His blood. The believer is justified by faith, born again by the Spirit, and then called to walk in obedience. Obedience is the fruit of salvation, not the foundation of salvation. Sanctification is real, but it is not the ground of our acceptance before God. Christ is. A person must come to Christ, repent, believe, abide in Him, and allow the Spirit to transform the life. But hope is never personal perfection. Hope is in Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

To be candid, there is no other organization that comes close to the teachings, practices, falso gospel of the RCC. And God Himself has so clearly identified this institution as the little horn in Daniel. He spends so much of His prophetic ink on this evil one that would appropriate His church... read Daniel 2, 7, 8 and 11.... can't miss him ... that is, unless you want to.

 

[Thaddeus]

I've read the articles of "faith" spouted by SDA. They are little different from Catholicism when it comes to salvation.



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True:
CCC 2068, “The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 the Second Vatican Council confirms: “The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments.”

2069: To transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.

They are still in use today. the catechisms of the Church have often expounded Christian morality by following the order of the Ten Commandments

 

[Gideon300]

As I understand Seventh-day Adventist teaching, they do not officially teach that a person must first become personally sinless in order to be saved. Their official position is that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by human works or by achieving sinless perfection. This is the opposite of the Catholic church.

Where the confusion comes in is that Adventists strongly emphasize obedience, sanctification, Sabbath-keeping, judgment, and victory over sin.

The biblical position is that Christ saves sinners by His blood. The believer is justified by faith, born again by the Spirit, and then called to walk in obedience. Obedience is the fruit of salvation, not the foundation of salvation. Sanctification is real, but it is not the ground of our acceptance before God. Christ is. A person must come to Christ, repent, believe, abide in Him, and allow the Spirit to transform the life. But hope is never personal perfection. Hope is in Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

To be candid, there is no other organization that comes close to the teachings, practices, falso gospel of the RCC. And God Himself has so clearly identified this institution as the little horn in Daniel. He spends so much of His prophetic ink on this evil one that would appropriate His church... read Daniel 2, 7, 8 and 11.... can't miss him ... that is, unless you want to.

SDA teaching is disingenuous. The so called investigative judgement determines whether or not someone is a believer or not. The basis is the false idea that it is adherence to the 10 commandments that is the determining factor. This automatically disqualifies those who do not observe the Sabbath.

So in practice and in word, SDA official doctrine condemns those who do not obey the Sabbath as unbelievers. We have an aggressive promoter of SDA doctrine here, who routinely condemns those who reject SDA's sabbath obsession.

The RC organisation (it's not the church) is relatively easy to reject because it is obviously flawed. SDA is more difficult to discern because much of the teaching is Biblical. However, the truth is there if you look into it.​

 

[Rob7]

Repent of your sin of sowing discord among the brethren. The Sabbath, as I have explained countless times, is of no account in the New Covenant. You do as you please, but your false accusations greatly displease God.

Gideon ! ( & @Inquisitor ) ..." sowing discord" is a sin, as is transgression of God's Law is the definition of sin. Having the character of Satan and promoting his disobedience to God and His Law is SIN.
1 John 2:16, "For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world." = SIN !
A sinful nature =
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
v3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
v4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
v5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof:( TheHoly Spirit ) from such turn away. ( from SIN ! )

Jesus did not inherently seek to cause strife, "discord" amongst the brethren, BUT the truth He brought naturally created division when it confronted entrenched traditions and sins. = eg. your religion of disobedience

"I came not to send peace, but a sword" (Matthew 10:34), This creating of strife is not the effect of the gospel, but the result of opposition to it.

Jesus served as a sword to cleave truth from error by exposing falsehoods and demanding uncompromising loyalty to God's word. Because light cannot harmonize with darkness, the pure truths of Christ separated those who were willing to obey God from those who chose to cling to the errors and disobedience of the world and the established religious systems. True peace can never be achieved by compromising with error.


The early apostles had to firmly correct the churches to ensure they obeyed God rather than conforming to disobedience or false teachings:

• Paul and the Galatian Church: Paul sternly rebuked the Galatians for turning away from the pure gospel to a system of legalism and human traditions. He corrected their theological errors to bring them back to true obedience to God by faith, rather than letting them fall into a distorted, disobedient gospel.
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• Paul and the Corinthian Church: The church in Corinth was dealing with severe internal discord, immorality, and worldliness. Paul did not prioritize a superficial peace; instead, he wrote letters of sharp reproof to correct their open tolerance of sin, demanding that they cleanse the church of disobedience and align their behavior with God’s holy standards, God's Moral Law.
• 
  
• John and the Seven Churches of Revelation: As the last surviving apostle, John was instructed to send messages of reproof and correction to the churches in Asia Minor. He called out Ephesus for losing its first love, and sharply rebuked Pergamos and Thyatira for tolerating false prophets and participating in idolatry and immorality. His messages were a call to repent, overcome error, and return to keeping the commandments of God.
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• Peter and the Sanhedrin: Establishing the foundational stance of the early church, Peter and the apostles famously declared, "We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29). This principle guided their leadership. They consistently refused to promote a false unity with the religious leaders of their day if it meant remaining silent about the truth or disobeying God’s direct commands.

In both Christ’s ministry and the apostles' ministry, true Christian unity is based on adherence to the truth and obedience to God's commandments. Discord and reproof were necessary tools used by heaven to cut away error and rescue the church from spiritual ruin and apostasy.

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[Inquisitor]

Paul and the Galatian Church: Paul sternly rebuked the Galatians for turning away from the pure gospel to a system of legalism and human traditions. He corrected their theological errors to bring them back to true obedience to God by faith, rather than letting them fall into a distorted, disobedient gospel.

Oh goody Rob7, you mentioned me in your post which gives the opportunity to respond.

• Paul and the Galatian Church: Paul sternly rebuked the Galatians for turning away from the pure gospel to a system of legalism and human traditions. He corrected their theological errors to bring them back to true obedience to God by faith, rather than letting them fall into a distorted, disobedient gospel.

When Paul uses the phrase “works of the law” he certainly has in mind circumcision, food laws, and the Sabbath.

Your quotation mentions "a system of legalism", the law.

But Paul also has many other things in view.

The Jewish identity markers is but one small slice of the book of the Law.

When Paul condemns reliance upon the “works of the law” he quotes from Deuteronomy in Galatians 3:10:
“Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them”

Works of the law = the book of the law

Which means of course that no one can just obey one or two laws they must, obey the entire book
of the law.

Your attempt at an obedience to the law collapses because you will not obey the book of the law.

You were not taught this were you.

 

[Gideon300]

Gideon ! ( & @Inquisitor ) ..." sowing discord" is a sin, as is transgression of God's Law is the definition of sin. Having the character of Satan and promoting his disobedience to God and His Law is SIN.
1 John 2:16, "For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world." = SIN !
A sinful nature =
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
v3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
v4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
v5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof:( TheHoly Spirit ) from such turn away. ( from SIN ! )

Jesus did not inherently seek to cause strife, "discord" amongst the brethren, BUT the truth He brought naturally created division when it confronted entrenched traditions and sins. = eg. your religion of disobedience

"I came not to send peace, but a sword" (Matthew 10:34), This creating of strife is not the effect of the gospel, but the result of opposition to it.

Jesus served as a sword to cleave truth from error by exposing falsehoods and demanding uncompromising loyalty to God's word. Because light cannot harmonize with darkness, the pure truths of Christ separated those who were willing to obey God from those who chose to cling to the errors and disobedience of the world and the established religious systems. True peace can never be achieved by compromising with error.


The early apostles had to firmly correct the churches to ensure they obeyed God rather than conforming to disobedience or false teachings:

• Paul and the Galatian Church: Paul sternly rebuked the Galatians for turning away from the pure gospel to a system of legalism and human traditions. He corrected their theological errors to bring them back to true obedience to God by faith, rather than letting them fall into a distorted, disobedient gospel.
• 
  
• Paul and the Corinthian Church: The church in Corinth was dealing with severe internal discord, immorality, and worldliness. Paul did not prioritize a superficial peace; instead, he wrote letters of sharp reproof to correct their open tolerance of sin, demanding that they cleanse the church of disobedience and align their behavior with God’s holy standards, God's Moral Law.
• 
  
• John and the Seven Churches of Revelation: As the last surviving apostle, John was instructed to send messages of reproof and correction to the churches in Asia Minor. He called out Ephesus for losing its first love, and sharply rebuked Pergamos and Thyatira for tolerating false prophets and participating in idolatry and immorality. His messages were a call to repent, overcome error, and return to keeping the commandments of God.
• 
  
• Peter and the Sanhedrin: Establishing the foundational stance of the early church, Peter and the apostles famously declared, "We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29). This principle guided their leadership. They consistently refused to promote a false unity with the religious leaders of their day if it meant remaining silent about the truth or disobeying God’s direct commands.

In both Christ’s ministry and the apostles' ministry, true Christian unity is based on adherence to the truth and obedience to God's commandments. Discord and reproof were necessary tools used by heaven to cut away error and rescue the church from spiritual ruin and apostasy.

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SDA is the epitome of sowing discord. The church got on just fine without SDA, who did not show up until the 19th century. What was God doing in the meantime? Twiddling His thumbs until EG White showed up to tell the church where they had been wrong for 1800 plus years?

Christian unity is unity in the Spirit. Some SDA doctrines are from the pit of hell and need to be exposed as such.

 

[Thaddeus]

SDA is the epitome of sowing discord. The church got on just fine without SDA, who did not show up until the 19th century. What was God doing in the meantime? Twiddling His thumbs until EG White showed up to tell the church where they had been wrong for 1800 plus years?

Christian unity is unity in the Spirit. Some SDA doctrines are from the pit of hell and need to be exposed as such.

There are those who preach the law must be obeyed, and, however they word it, Heaven hinges on it. However, they themselves are transgressors of the law, something they fail to mention when they insist it must be obeyed.