1948 Not THE Fulfillment of Prophecy

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Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, ‘Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so that we may obey it?’ 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, ‘Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so that we may obey it?’ 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so that you may obey it.
 
Musicmaster said:
At best, 1948 was a staging of future fulfillment of prophecy, not THE fulfillment of it. If we read the Bible for what it says, Abraham was promised approximately 1.2 million square kilometers of land. Israel today occupies at most about 2% of all that was promised to Abraham and his descendants. That is NOT a fulfillment as of yet. Israel is currently a political/military state with most of the Jews still scattered across the earth, not yet gathered together in that land. With about 50% of Jews are Russian-speaking Jews living in Jerusalem and the surrounding few towns and cities. There are far more orthodox Jews living abroad from Israel than are currently living within its tiny little borders.

For reference, see:

  • Genesis 12:1–3 — initial call; promise of a land to go to.
  • Genesis 12:7 — promise: "To your offspring I will give this land."
  • Genesis 13:14–17 — promise of all the land that Abram can see to his offspring.
  • Genesis 15:7–21 — covenant: God specifies territory for Abram's descendants (lists boundaries, including "from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates").
  • Genesis 17:1–8 — promise of land and an everlasting covenant with Abraham and his descendants.
  • Genesis 22:15–18 — reaffirmation of blessing and numerous descendants (implied possession).
  • Exodus 6:2–8 — God reiterates to Moses the promise made to the patriarchs that He will bring the Israelites into the land promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
  • Leviticus 25:23 — land is described as a possession for the Israelites (ties into covenant land concepts).
  • Deuteronomy 1:8; 34:4 — restatements of the land promise to the people.
  • Joshua 1:2–4 — God’s promise to Joshua: all the land shown to Moses (boundaries described).
  • Psalm 105:8–11 — poetic restatement of the covenant and land promises to Abraham and his offspring.
Brief notes:

  • Genesis 15:18–21 contains the most explicit boundary language (listing peoples/places and the "river of Egypt" to "Euphrates").
  • Different passages emphasize the promise in covenantal, narrative, and poetic forms across Torah, historical books, and Psalms.
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That ( event), date, changed all prophetic prisms we now look through.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
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ChristRoseFromTheDead

Post in thread 'Is this a conflict?'

I think what Jesus meant by this oddly worded verse

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 3:13​

is in reference to this

For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we...​

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Thaddeus said:
Does not say they came down from Heaven does it. Lets quote about what includes Moses:
Jesus words can be relied upon:

NO ONE has ever entered Heaven, except the one who came from Heaven, the son of man John3:13:
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Actually they did come down from heaven because they were standing on earth.

In John 3:13 Jesus was saying that no man can ascend to the father to learn God's will and then return to earth to teach mankind. Only the one who descended from the bosom of the father in heaven is able to teach mankind God's will.

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that...​
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Already addressed
What was that you said about never admitting when you are wrong?
 
NightTwister said:
Palestinian is not a race. There are no "Palestinians." They're Arabs, just like Arabs in Jordan are "Jordanians."
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Palestinian refers to the inhabitants of a region, ie, the Levant. Rights are given by God, not man, so people that have lived in a region for centuries, as the Palestinians have, are the rightful inhabitants of the land by civilized standards..
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Palestinian refers to the inhabitants of a region, ie, the Levant. Rights are given by God, not man, so people that have lived in a region for centuries, as the Palestinians have, are the rightful inhabitants of the land by civilized standards..
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True, actually Palestinian include ethnic Arab, athnic jew, athnic canaanites......some are Christian.

Just like roman empire, roman citizen including many ethnic group.
Same for modern day American, many ethnicity.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
God did that. The Bible said the desert would bloom again. Prophecy happening in front of your eyes and you're blind to it.
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All is under God's big plan. Not one sparrow falls on ground without God's control.
But I choose to be obey Jesus commandments. Not any earthly kingdom, nor earthly ethnic group.
Only Jesus blood.

No one will see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. No matter what ethnic group.
 
It was also God's big plan to put Jesus on the cross too, but God used Jewish leaders and the crowd to fulfill His plan.

I choose to be on the same side as Mary, Peter, John....
 
It always amazes me how gullible and ignorant some people are when they say things like, 'there is no Palestine' or 'there are no such thing as Palestinians' etc. They have fallen for the Zionist narrative which on investigation proves totally false.
The other falsehood is that the Land was almost devoid of any population when the Jews immigrated there. Or the Nakbar, Jewish displacement of 750,000 Palestinians in 1948, never happened.
There are now quite a number of Jewish historians like Omer Bartov or Avi Shlaim who are enlightening the West on the atrocities perpetrated by Israel down through the years against the Palestinians. The truth is out there if one wants to find it.
 
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