Parallel Parables

[Seeker47]

There are two very interesting parallel parables in Matthew 9:16. These involve repairing an old garment with new cloth and filling old wineskins with new wine.

Jesus gives these parables in response to criticism that His disciples fail to keep Jewish man-made doctrine; Halakah. The Christian Church taught me these parables demonstrate the rejection of the old Torah and the embracing of Jesus’ New Covenant. Yet I believe God cannot contradict Himself and trip over Matthew 5:17.

The church doctrine had blinded me to the word.

It only became clear when I was able to see the story in reverse of what I had been taught. It’s not about the weakness of the old garment or the weakness of used wineskins. It is about the perversion represented by the new patch. It’s about man-made traditions spoiling God’s truth, not about patches replacing God’s word.

Once this became clear, I stood amazed at being so blind to something so simple and clear. For most this will be old news. For me it was revelatory

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Your teachers were right. The old is not able to hear and adapt to the new. That is why new vessels are sought for the new song, so to speak. If you keep going it's self-explanatory

But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better. Luke 5:38-39​

 

[JohnDB]

So....
Explain more fully what you are saying.

For me,
Jesus fulfilled the Covenant that pointed directly at Him....
Especially the 4th Commandment. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath....He owns it completely....and we either enter that rest provided by him or we don't.
However, there is no other means to access Heaven.

The Old Covenant Israelites expressed their faith in Jesus fulfilling his Contract/Covenant with Israel by doing no work on EVERY Sabbath.

However, closer inspection of the 4th Commandment reveals that the Sabbath Day is singular....not plural....meaning there is ONLY ONE Sabbath Day that has any relevance....which is the single Holy Day Jesus has provided and not repeating Saturdays...

So we celebrate Jesus's victory over death on every Sunday instead....

From death unto life.

 

[Seeker47]

So....
Explain more fully what you are saying.

For me,
Jesus fulfilled the Covenant that pointed directly at Him....
Especially the 4th Commandment. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath....He owns it completely....and we either enter that rest provided by him or we don't.
However, there is no other means to access Heaven.

The Old Covenant Israelites expressed their faith in Jesus fulfilling his Contract/Covenant with Israel by doing no work on EVERY Sabbath.

However, closer inspection of the 4th Commandment reveals that the Sabbath Day is singular....not plural....meaning there is ONLY ONE Sabbath Day that has any relevance....which is the single Holy Day Jesus has provided and not repeating Saturdays...

So we celebrate Jesus's victory over death on every Sunday instead....

From death unto life.

I can't.

 

[tablet123]

Matthew 9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Matthew 14:17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matthew 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

John 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Matthew 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

Mark 2:21 No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.

Mark 2:22 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.

I believe it is speaking of a person that receives the Spirit after they are washed, clean, a new creature, being a new vessel that the Spirit can inhabit.

For the Spirit will not inhabit a person not saved to preserve them.

 

[Seeker47]

I had not drawn that conclusion before. Thank you for this revelation, I can now see that too!

 

[rewriter]

Might I add in a caution? If one looks at Lukes version of the parable of the wineskins, he adds in Jesus saying that those who have tasted both, prefer the old wine.

 

[DavidLamb]

Might I add in a caution? If one looks at Lukes version of the parable of the wineskins, he adds in Jesus saying that those who have tasted both, prefer the old wine.

Yes He does. John Gill comments on Luke 5:38-39:

(The verses) "may be applied to natural men, who having drunk the old wine of their carnal lusts and pleasures, do not desire the new wine of the Gospel, and of the grace of God, and of spiritual things, but prefer their old sins and lusts unto them."

 

[Thaddeus]

‘No one tears a piece out of a new garment to patch an old one. Otherwise, they will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old. 37 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the new wine will burst the skins; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. 38 No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins. 39 And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for they say, “The old is better.”’ Luke5:39

Many rejected the teaching of Christ, they preferred the old covenant/wine, to the new one that was to come.

 

[Waden21]

There are two very interesting parallel parables in Matthew 9:16. These involve repairing an old garment with new cloth and filling old wineskins with new wine.

Jesus gives these parables in response to criticism that His disciples fail to keep Jewish man-made doctrine; Halakah. The Christian Church taught me these parables demonstrate the rejection of the old Torah and the embracing of Jesus’ New Covenant. Yet I believe God cannot contradict Himself and trip over Matthew 5:17.

The church doctrine had blinded me to the word.

It only became clear when I was able to see the story in reverse of what I had been taught. It’s not about the weakness of the old garment or the weakness of used wineskins. It is about the perversion represented by the new patch. It’s about man-made traditions spoiling God’s truth, not about patches replacing God’s word.

Once this became clear, I stood amazed at being so blind to something so simple and clear. For most this will be old news. For me it was revelatory

I’m with you brother
Yashua said he wasn’t replacing the word but rather he was there to reiterate it and to make a pathway for the church ( not brick and mortar) the people who follow God to be with him to talk to him without government or church leaders .

 

[Seeker47]

Might I add in a caution? If one looks at Lukes version of the parable of the wineskins, he adds in Jesus saying that those who have tasted both, prefer the old wine.

Yes, that make perfect sense if we understand the differences between Torah (old) and Halakah (new). That's what the parables are about. It only gets confused if we try to use it to separate the First and Second Testaments.

 

[GWH]

There are two very interesting parallel parables in Matthew 9:16. These involve repairing an old garment with new cloth and filling old wineskins with new wine.

Jesus gives these parables in response to criticism that His disciples fail to keep Jewish man-made doctrine; Halakah. The Christian Church taught me these parables demonstrate the rejection of the old Torah and the embracing of Jesus’ New Covenant. Yet I believe God cannot contradict Himself and trip over Matthew 5:17.

The church doctrine had blinded me to the word.

It only became clear when I was able to see the story in reverse of what I had been taught. It’s not about the weakness of the old garment or the weakness of used wineskins. It is about the perversion represented by the new patch. It’s about man-made traditions spoiling God’s truth, not about patches replacing God’s word.

Once this became clear, I stood amazed at being so blind to something so simple and clear. For most this will be old news. For me it was revelatory

Too obvious?

Two other parallel parables are about the seed in Matthew 13 and the fruit in Genesis 3.

 

[Seeker47]

Too obvious?

Two other parallel parables are about the seed in Matthew 13 and the fruit in Genesis 3.

Was to me!

 

[GWH]

Was to me!

Yes, for you to contemplate how the meaning of the parable about the seed in Matthew 13 can be viewed as similar to the meaning of the story about the fruit in Genesis 3.