Revolution in Iran

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Replacement theology is a Biblically illiterate hoax.

Already debunked at every point.

The clueless supersessionism crew fails to understand that the gentile Bride Church is merely incidental to God's plan to save the Sons of Jacob.

Yet they despise the very chosen people that were crucial to their own salvation. Not only that, it was Jews who penned the vast majority of the Scriptures and it was the Jews who faithfully recopied it endlessly.

I find their bizarre superiority complex extremely disturbing if not appalling.
It was Jews who did all the heavy lifting and suffered so greatly on our behalf.

The Jew is FIRST. For very many very good reasons. It is folly to forget this.

to all of this !!

 

[Beekeeper]

Why are you are wasting your time trying to pass counterfeit coin to the mint?

Your Biblically illiterate currency is worthless to me.

Galatians3:7 Know- ginōskō
then- ara
that -hoti
it is those -ho of ek
faith- pistis
who -houtos
are -eimi
the sons- hyios
of Abraham- Abraam.

The text says it too.

 

[Beekeeper]

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

The patrilininear definition also runs into trouble with the New Testament.
If these three thousand Jewish men who were saved at on the day of Pentecost were to all live to age 76 and produce 2 sons by the age of 45, and the grandsons all continue to do the same until today, the number of Christian men from that lineage would now be 7.9x100000000000000000. I used ai to do the math.
The problem is that they do not identify as Jews, and only would identify that way if they belonged to a particular religion.
We are still left with a religious definition.

People don't do that of course, they have wars, famines, abortions, and change religions.
The loss of definition of Jewishness still remains.
We could resolve the matter by declaring those men and their grandsons antisemitic self hating traitors and brushing them aside.
If we become Christians ourselves however, we lose the ability to think that way.
Judaism in the New Testament time is essential to the existence of 1948 "Israel".
In this time rejection of Jesus is essential to Judaism.
We must conclude then that 1948 "Israel" is not a Christian cause.

 

[HeIsHere]

On the contrary, it is supersessionism that impugns God character and trustworthiness.

Only 2 out of the 8 covenants are now obsolete. And this one is certainly in force as are the remaining five.

Gen 48:3
And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,

Gen 48:4
And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession.

Strange that you are so well versed in the OT and have not realized the God accepted people from outside into the tribes for those who were willing to forsake false idols and worship the one True God.
They were never genetically pure and that was never God's command except for the Levites which of course God kept protected.

Your entire foundation is illogical and outside the character of God.
Caleb comes to mind.
Dispenstaionalism will be done in 10 years or less, hopefully sooner. Finito.

 

[cv5]

Romans 2:28-29​

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

It's fearful thing to fall into the hands of the the living God.

Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, a prominent Messianic Jewish theologian and dispensational scholar, exegetes Romans 2:28–29 by strongly affirming that **the passage does not redefine Jewish ethnicity, eliminate the physical distinction between Jew and Gentile, or turn Gentile believers into "spiritual Jews."**

Instead, Fruchtenbaum interprets these verses strictly within their immediate context as a message concerning Jewish spiritual accountability and the doctrine of the Remnant.

### 1. The Context of Condemnation
Fruchtenbaum emphasizes that Romans 1:18–3:20 deals with the entire world being under condemnation. While Romans 1 addresses the Gentiles, Romans 2:17 shifts specifically to the Jews.

Paul is confronting the Jewish individual who believes their physical descent from Abraham, possession of the Torah, and physical circumcision grant them automatic immunity from God's judgment. Therefore, the passage is not about defining the Church; it is about exposing the inadequacy of mere outward compliance for salvation.

### 2. Defining the "True Jew" as the Remnant
For Fruchtenbaum, when Paul says *"he is a Jew who is one inwardly,"* he is referring specifically to **an ethnic Jew who is also spiritually regenerated**.

* **The Remnant of Israel:** In Fruchtenbaum's theology, the "true Jew" in this verse represents the *Jewish Remnant*—those of the physical line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who have also experienced the "circumcision of the heart" by faith in Yeshua (Jesus).

* **Two Requirements:** To be a complete or "true" Jew in the spiritual sense intended here, one must have both physical Jewish descent and inward spiritual regeneration. One does not replace the other.

### 3. Ethnicity is Not Erased by Spiritual Renewal
Fruchtenbaum frequently counters the idea that spiritual truths erase physical realities. He argues that just as being "one in Christ" does not eradicate a person's physical gender or social status (referencing Galatians 3:28), spiritual regeneration does not erase a Jewish person's physical, ethnic identity. A Jewish believer does not stop being an ethnic Jew; rather, they become a physically Jewish person who is now inwardly right with God.

### 4. Rejection of "Spiritual Jews" (Replacement Theology)
Fruchtenbaum strongly rejects Covenant Theology interpretations that use Romans 2:28–29 to claim that Gentile Christians have become "spiritual Jews" or that the Church is "Spiritual Israel."

> **Fruchtenbaum's Core Distinction:**
> A Gentile who accepts the Messiah is a regenerated Gentile, not an inward Jew. Scripture maintains a tripartite distinction between Jews, Gentiles, and the Church (1 Corinthians 10:32). Proselytes in the Old Testament and Gentile believers in the New Testament join the commonwealth of spiritual blessings, but they never cross over into Jewish
ethnicity.
>

 

[DeanM]

US launches additional strikes on Iran after latest Strait of Hormuz ship attack

The U.S. carried out additional strikes on Iranian military targets after Tehran attacked another commercial vessel in the Strait of Hormuz. The latest escalation comes despite a ceasefire agreement.

www.foxnews.com

Im not sure why Trump hasnt done what is needed. You cant talk peace with vipers.

 

[cv5]

US launches additional strikes on Iran after latest Strait of Hormuz ship attack

The U.S. carried out additional strikes on Iranian military targets after Tehran attacked another commercial vessel in the Strait of Hormuz. The latest escalation comes despite a ceasefire agreement.

www.foxnews.com

Im not sure why Trump hasnt done what is needed. You cant talk peace with vipers.

The IRGC nutters refuse to sit at any negotiating table with a Jew, as they abhor them utterly.

That being the case, why do the addled supersessionists here fall prey to foolishly supporting the IRGC cause and mandate?

 

[HeIsHere]

This sounds very similar to the discussion Stephen had with the Pharisees... Even to the gnashing of the teeth (and elsewhere false accusations such as "pushing replacement theology", when it is the Pharisees trying to replace Jesus' promises to Christians with the unbelieving).

Acts 7:51-54
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

God is not a respecter of persons.

Can you image how God regards this corruption of His Holy word where the blood coursing the veins/genetic purity is more sacrosanct more than that of His own Son reconciliation of all people.

Calvinist teaches one doctrine of elitism and this one another, makes me think they come form the source that is known for lies.

Oh yes, they still need to be saved through the blood of Christ they affirm ...but then turn around and go into some convolution once again with the words of Paul. .... and no blindness is not lasting 2000+ years.

 

[HeIsHere]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2071010384681599097

 

[cv5]

God is not a respecter of persons.

Can you image how God regards this corruption of His Holy word where the blood coursing the veins/genetic purity is more sacrosanct more than that of His own Son reconciliation of all people.

Calvinist teaches one doctrine of elitism and this one another, makes me think they come form the source that is known for lies.

Oh yes, they still need to be saved through the blood of Christ they affirm ...but then turn around and go into some convolution once again with the words of Paul. .... and no blindness is not lasting 2000+ years.

So your Covenant theology crew thinks that the 6 covenants remaining in force now accrue to the Church right?

Well I say to you go ahead and try and prove it. While I stand back and ROFL.

Oh and BTW, the eternal covenant to the land granted to Abraham was unilaterally guaranteed.

However, RESIDING in the land was predicated upon keeping the Mosaic covenant. Israel did indeed break that covenant. BUT.....when they enter into the New Covenant, they will never again fail in faithfulness. And the land grant to Abraham will be ultimately and finally and eternally fulfilled never again to be rescended.

See how that works?

 

[Beekeeper]

Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, a prominent Messianic Jewish theologian and dispensational scholar, exegetes Romans 2:28–29 by strongly affirming that **the passage does not redefine Jewish ethnicity, eliminate the physical distinction between Jew and Gentile, or turn Gentile believers into "spiritual Jews."**

Instead, Fruchtenbaum interprets these verses strictly within their immediate context as a message concerning Jewish spiritual accountability and the doctrine of the Remnant.

### 1. The Context of Condemnation
Fruchtenbaum emphasizes that Romans 1:18–3:20 deals with the entire world being under condemnation. While Romans 1 addresses the Gentiles, Romans 2:17 shifts specifically to the Jews.

Paul is confronting the Jewish individual who believes their physical descent from Abraham, possession of the Torah, and physical circumcision grant them automatic immunity from God's judgment. Therefore, the passage is not about defining the Church; it is about exposing the inadequacy of mere outward compliance for salvation.

### 2. Defining the "True Jew" as the Remnant
For Fruchtenbaum, when Paul says *"he is a Jew who is one inwardly,"* he is referring specifically to **an ethnic Jew who is also spiritually regenerated**.

* **The Remnant of Israel:** In Fruchtenbaum's theology, the "true Jew" in this verse represents the *Jewish Remnant*—those of the physical line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who have also experienced the "circumcision of the heart" by faith in Yeshua (Jesus).

* **Two Requirements:** To be a complete or "true" Jew in the spiritual sense intended here, one must have both physical Jewish descent and inward spiritual regeneration. One does not replace the other.

### 3. Ethnicity is Not Erased by Spiritual Renewal
Fruchtenbaum frequently counters the idea that spiritual truths erase physical realities. He argues that just as being "one in Christ" does not eradicate a person's physical gender or social status (referencing Galatians 3:28), spiritual regeneration does not erase a Jewish person's physical, ethnic identity. A Jewish believer does not stop being an ethnic Jew; rather, they become a physically Jewish person who is now inwardly right with God.

### 4. Rejection of "Spiritual Jews" (Replacement Theology)
Fruchtenbaum strongly rejects Covenant Theology interpretations that use Romans 2:28–29 to claim that Gentile Christians have become "spiritual Jews" or that the Church is "Spiritual Israel."

> **Fruchtenbaum's Core Distinction:**
> A Gentile who accepts the Messiah is a regenerated Gentile, not an inward Jew. Scripture maintains a tripartite distinction between Jews, Gentiles, and the Church (1 Corinthians 10:32). Proselytes in the Old Testament and Gentile believers in the New Testament join the commonwealth of spiritual blessings, but they never cross over into Jewish
ethnicity.
>

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Fruchtenbaum was struggling to maintain his understanding of Judaism.
Under Jesus there is no separate Gentile bride.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The fact that Jews have been provoked to jealousy by this inclusion of Gentiles was also prophesied:

Romans 10:19
But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

It all has a good purpose, and Jesus is the boss.
Fruchtenbaum just needs to deal with it.

 

[Beekeeper]

"fake Jew crew"

Revelatians 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Jesus said these words to the Angel of the church at Philadelphia, which in located in Western Turkey on the modern map.
I think their ethnicity was Gentile.
If I was to walk in the streets of Tel aviv I would probably meet people who look white, black, Asian, Arab and others.
On what grounds could anyone other than Jesus make this accusation against any one of them?
I might see a similar mix of appearances in Melbourne and Sydney.
They might even identify themselves as Gentiles.
How do I know that Jesus identifies them the same way?
My point is that only Jesus can know who the "fake Jew crew" is, even if your definition is ethnic.

 

[cv5]

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Fruchtenbaum was struggling to maintain his understanding of Judaism.
Under Jesus there is no separate Gentile bride.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The fact that Jews have been provoked to jealousy by this inclusion of Gentiles was also prophesied:

Romans 10:19
But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

It all has a good purpose, and Jesus is the boss.
Fruchtenbaum just needs to deal with it.

Get a clue: the Church age had a distinct abrupt beginning, and will have a distinct abrupt ending the harpazo.
BTW, you very rarely make any good sense. Just to let you know.

 

[cv5]

Revelatians 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Jesus said these words to the Angel of the church at Philadelphia, which in located in Western Turkey on the modern map.
I think their ethnicity was Gentile.
If I was to walk in the streets of Tel aviv I would probably meet people who look white, black, Asian, Arab and others.
On what grounds could anyone other than Jesus make this accusation against any one of them?
I might see a similar mix of appearances in Melbourne and Sydney.
They might even identify themselves as Gentiles.
How do I know that Jesus identifies them the same way?
My point is that only Jesus can know who the "fake Jew crew" is, even if your definition is ethnic.

"Proselytes in the Old Testament and Gentile believers in the New Testament join the commonwealth of spiritual blessings, but they never cross over into Jewish
ethnicity."

 

[HeIsHere]

So your Covenant theology crew thinks that the 6 covenants remaining in force now accrue to the Church right?

Well I say to you go ahead and try and prove it. While I stand back and ROFL.

Oh and BTW, the eternal covenant to the land granted to Abraham was unilaterally guaranteed.

However, RESIDING in the land was predicated upon keeping the Mosaic covenant. Israel did indeed break that covenant. BUT.....when they enter into the New Covenant, they will never again fail in faithfulness. And the land grant to Abraham will be ultimately and finally and eternally fulfilled never again to be rescended.

See how that works?

Seems like you cannot really deal with the fact that it was not about ethnic/blood purity, except for the Levites.

So one foundation down, more to come!

 

[HeIsHere]

So your Covenant theology crew thinks that the 6 covenants remaining in force now accrue to the Church right?

Well I say to you go ahead and try and prove it. While I stand back and ROFL.

Oh and BTW, the eternal covenant to the land granted to Abraham was unilaterally guaranteed.

However, RESIDING in the land was predicated upon keeping the Mosaic covenant. Israel did indeed break that covenant. BUT.....when they enter into the New Covenant, they will never again fail in faithfulness. And the land grant to Abraham will be ultimately and finally and eternally fulfilled never again to be rescended.

See how that works?

2 Corinthians 1:20

“For ALL the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory.”

ALL of the promises it says.
It requires rejecting the Holy Scripture that says believers are the heirs of Abraham’s promises, not unbelieving ethnic people.

Galatians 3:29 “And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”

The division of God’s Covenant between “land promises” and “spiritual promises” was invented in an Irish basement of a schismatic End Times sect in 1821.
It’s not historic.
It’s not biblical.
ALL promises are tied to faith in the Saviour Christ Jesus

See how that works!

 

[cv5]

2 Corinthians 1:20

“For ALL the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory.”

ALL of the promises it says.
It requires rejecting the Holy Scripture that says believers are the heirs of Abraham’s promises, not unbelieving ethnic people.

Galatians 3:29 “And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”

The division of God’s Covenant between “land promises” and “spiritual promises” was invented in an Irish basement of a schismatic End Times sect in 1821.
It’s not historic.
It’s not biblical.
ALL promises are tied to faith in the Saviour Christ Jesus

See how that works!

ROFL. So pack your gear, get a one way ticket to the Levant, and fight like the dickens to get your land back.
And yes, the Biblical illiteracy and irrationality of the "fake Jew crew" is truly cringeworthy.
Not to mention the appalling anti-Semitic sentiment and tone.

 

[HeIsHere]

ROFL. So pack your gear, get a one way ticket to the Levant, and fight like the dickens to get your land back.
And yes, the Biblical illiteracy and irrationality of the "fake Jew crew" is truly cringeworthy.
Not to mention the appalling anti-Semitic sentiment and tone.

God's words hold true, yours not so much.

I never mentioned anything about fakeness, and has no bearing really, but like the rest of your cohort the continual resorting to some "anti" slur because why...oh right... that is all you have false personal accusations.

 

[SonJudgment]

The IRGC nutters refuse to sit at any negotiating table with a Jew, as they abhor them utterly.

That being the case, why do the addled supersessionists here fall prey to foolishly supporting the IRGC cause and mandate?

They don't want the Bible to be true. It's the parable of the vineyard really. They think by beating God's servants and murdering his Son that they are going to steal the vineyard for themselves, but the only thing that will happen is when the King returns he's going to miserably slay all those traitors and all us little peasants are going to cheer and praise Jesus.

 

[cv5]

God's words hold true, yours not so much.

I never mentioned anything about fakeness, and has no bearing really, but like the rest of your cohort the continual resorting to some "anti" slur because why...oh right... that is all you have false personal accusations.

Go ye inheritor of the covenants! Go ye to the land promised to father Abraham!