Calvinism is Gospel !

[HeIsHere]

Every point you tried to make is fundamentally flawed, because they're all based on the unbiblical opinions of unlearned or ill informed men.

I won't have enough space here to respond to every one of your baseless objections, so I'll just deal with a few key points.

1 Tim 2:3-4 doesn't refer to every single person, who was alive at the time it was written.
In verse 1, Paul urges believers to pray for "all people," and immediately clarifies in verse 2 that this includes kings and all who are in high positions, all classes, ranks, and nations of people, without distinction of Jew or Gentile. It is a rejection of the idea that salvation is limited only to one group.

You claim that "faith is Gods condition for salvation". But the Bible does not support this view at all, in fact it's the opposite, faith is a gift from God, - Philippians 1:29: For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,
Faith is described as a privilege "granted" to believers, indicating it is given rather than generated by humans.

Deut 30:19 is not an offer of salvation to all, because only Gods elect respond with faith and obedience because it was given to them to believe. Do you suppose that highly intelligent people choose to spend eternity in hell, while they rejected the free offer of eternal paradise????.

Can you please explain how and or why John 3:16, & Rom 3:21, 5:1 negate "Limited Atonement". The "whosoever" doesn't mean "universalism" as you suggest. It simply means whosoever believes, and we already know that only the elect of God believe because it was given to them (as a gift) to believe.

It would be better to deal with a few verses at a time, rather than a truck load at a time.

Please find that magical verse where "belief" in the Gospel message is gifted?

 

[brightfame52]

Please find that magical verse where "belief" in the Gospel message is gifted?

They did already Phil 1:29 and I will add 2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Spirit of sanctification gifted the belief of the Truth which is the Gospel Truth they were called by !

 

[Mem]

Please find that magical verse where "belief" in the Gospel message is gifted?

I used to be a reluctant witch but there are those that have made a religion of it. I completely understand the utility of the commandment, "suffer not a witch to live," because their power is of death even though they claim to possess enlightenment.

 

[HeIsHere]

They did already Phil 1:29 and I will add 2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Spirit of sanctification gifted the belief of the Truth which is the Gospel Truth they were called by !

Neither one states belief was gifted you are reading into the text, flipping it all around to make it say what you want is to say, assuming the belief has been gifted.

The person who believes the Gospel is chosen because they responded positively to the Gospel CALL!!!!

 

[HeIsHere]

It cannot have been the Jews as a nation, because Jesus said to some Jews:

It is quite evident it is the believing Jews of Ancient Israel.
Those statements made by Christ Jesus were obviously to/about the unbelieving Jews

Perhaps you are meaning something different by "eschatological" to what I thought the word meant - connected to what are called "the last things." Yes, he certainly mentions future glory, in for example verses 18-25. He then goes back to taking about the present lives of his readers - things like prayer and the Holy Spirit's help in it, God causing all things to work together for the believer's good, and God's constant ant everlasting love, from which nothing can separate the Christian.

Part of the Paul's letter to the Romans is about what they are experiencing and continue to experience as the end of the Mosaic Age completely comes to a close in the first century

It may seem arbitrary to us, but whatever the reason, it was not man's will, but God who brought about the new birth:

(Joh 1:13) who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Already dealt with ......very clearly not about God's will choosing people for salvation but that salvation is not by heritage or birth right or man trying to attain it that way (will of man).
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[HeIsHere]

Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God".
Ephesians 2:1 "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,"

Acts 13:48 "Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed".

Acts 13:48 answers you question, if you look at the surrounding context of the verse you would find that many were gathered and they all heard the gospel, but only those who (were appointed to eternal life believed). The gospel message was foolishness to the rest.

I did state born.

As well "sinner" does not equate to inability to believe.

Those who believed the Gospel ... were appointed to eternal life.

 

[HeIsHere]

"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." — 1 Corinthians 2:14

This is the verse you're looking for, "natural man" refers to every unconverted/unregenerated man. We are all "natural men", until we are quickened to life, out of our spiritually dead state in which we were born.

The natural/dead man doesn't receive the things of the Spirit of God. He can't know them because dead men know nothing about spiritual things. The believers already have eternal life, the unbelievers are born dead and they remain dead for all eternity, unless they are born again in this life.

Tell me did the life, crucifixion, burial and resurrection occur in real time here on earth or was it solely a spiritual event?

Show me where the state of the "natural" man equates to being born unable to respond positively to the message of the Good News of Christ Jesus?

 

[HeIsHere]

I used to be a reluctant witch but there are those that have made a religion of it. I completely understand the utility of the commandment, "suffer not a witch to live," because their power is of death even though they claim to possess enlightenment.

Very powerful last line! It is exactly how it is.

 

[Mem]

Salvation is of the Jews, that is scriptural, but the distinct "of' the Jews must not be overlooked. It is of a sort as the root is of the tree, so are the branches. Christians are adopted into "the family" of Christ, of which He is the Root, as well as the Branch, bridging the gulf between the first and the last, If the Jew does not persist in unbelief, or failing to honor the Root as their fellow Branch, they'll be cut off. This honor includes considering Him THE Sabbath, and not just one of 52.

^Not sure this adheres to the topic... but it applies in any case.

 

[Cameron143]

Sorry but what is CDS in this context? I looked it up and found three possible meanings for the abbreviation, but none seems to fit here: "Credit-Default Swap," "Computer Design Software" and "Cirque du Soleil." Could it be "Calvinism Denial Syndrome?"

It's actually Calvin Derangement Syndrome. It's very similar to Trump Derangement Syndrome. Orange man bad. TULIP man bad.

 

[John146]

sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

The Spirit moves through the preaching of the gospel to convict the lost sinner. Some people choose to reject their conviction. Others give into the Spirit and choose to call upon the name of the Lord for salvation. The Spirit is always involved through the preaching of the word of God. The Lord told Paul he was kicking against the pricks. Those Jews in early Acts were pricked in the heart through the preaching of the word of God.

 

[Cameron143]

If only I could've heard your pronouncement of this word.

I believe His will is that you freely come to Him, but of course you must do such by grace (such that He provides everything necessary) through faith (that He is and that He is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him, as His Word says)

Does one who is given a new heart and spirit, and is indwelt by the Holy Spirit come to God willingly? Does one not given a new heart and spirit, and is not indwelt by the Holy Spirit ever come to God willingly?

 

[Mem]

Does one who is given a new heart and spirit, and is indwelt by the Holy Spirit come to God willingly? Does one not given a new heart and spirit, and is not indwelt by the Holy Spirit ever come to God willingly?

Why did David pray for a new heart and a new spirit if he already had one?

 

[HeIsHere]

The Spirit moves through the preaching of the gospel to convict the lost sinner. Some people choose to reject their conviction. Others give into the Spirit and choose to call upon the name of the Lord for salvation. The Spirit is always involved through the preaching of the word of God. The Lord told Paul he was kicking against the pricks. Those Jews in early Acts were pricked in the heart through the preaching of the word of God.

So simple and yet people in the past created a doctrine of selection so that they could have answers to profound questions and be like God.
Then there are always those who lack spiritual discernment and adopt it.
No one is going to read the Gospel of John and become a TULIPist.. nope.

 

[Cameron143]

You think that God is great by forcing you to be saved? Electing some to salvation and sending others to hell without a chance?

I think God is great because the Bible teaches this and because of the things I have learned about Him and experienced with Him.

While I don't believe God forces anyone to be saved, what you are attempting to describe is the sovereignty of God. And thankfully, God is sovereign. Thankfully, Jesus upholds all things by the word of His power. Otherwise, entropy would occur and chaos. This is omnipotence. Two attributes of God which are seldom considered in any meaningful way. But because they are true of God, we find that history is under Divine control, is following a Divine plan, is following a Divine timetable, and is ultimately about the coming of the kingdom of God into the world.

Biblical history isn't world history. Rather, it is the history of redemption. It is the story of what God has done, is doing, and will do to reconcile man to Himself. It is history or His story. The hero in the story is God. The story of David and Goliath isn't about David. It is about the God of David. The story of the Prodigal Son is not about the boy. It is about the Father. Your salvation isn't about you. It's about the God who saved you. When people make history, even their own particular story by making it about themselves, they have missed the point. It is marvelous that God saves individuals, but the real marvel is that He would save anyone and do so by pouring out His wrath upon His only begotten Son. So when I see people making salvation about what man does, I know they have less of an understanding of God than who He really is. Their view of the greatness of God is less than what it could be. And since God is most glorified and enjoyed when He is most revealed and known, we live in a lower estate when we lack knowledge and experience of God. And this is the case when redemptive history becomes about man and not God.

 

[Cameron143]

Why did David pray for a new heart and a new spirit if he already had one?

He was asking for restoration. He was asking for a clean heart the same as anyone who truly repents does.

 

[Cameron143]

Did you read the title of this thread.

TULIP and Calvinism are real concepts, CDS is not.

Neither does it seem that reading comprehension is a real concept for you.

 

[HeIsHere]

Otherwise, entropy would occur and chaos

The second law of thermodynamics states the entropy is occuring,

 

[HeIsHere]

Neither does it seem that reading comprehension is a real concept for you.

That make a lot of sense. NOT!

 

[Cameron143]

The second law of thermodynamics states the entropy is occuring,

Hebrews 1:3 states Jesus is upholding all things by the word of His power. Revelation 21:5 states He is making all things new.