Calvinism is Gospel !

[Magenta]

The iniquities of a wicked man entrap him; the cords of his sin entangle him. He dies for lack of discipline, led astray by his own great folly. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander. Those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same. Proverbs 5 v 22-23, Matthew 15 v 19, Job 4 v 8

 

[pinebeach]

Ive shown it several times. The Spirit regenerates[save] so one can believe.

News flash! I do not seek out your posts and if you cannot be bothered, then don't bother me because all I see is repetition and your words.

The Bible states the Holy Spirit convicts. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we accept Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

News flash! I do not seek out your posts

Thats your business

 

[pinebeach]

A doctrine of those accepting of Calvinism, teaches that God creates the very thoughts of men and the intents of the soul. *

In other words, the wickedest sins committed by mankind, are directly atributable to the soverignity of God Himself.

*Boettner, Loraine Boettner, "The Reformed Faith" (Phillipsburg, N.J. Presbyterian & Reformed , 1983)

So, it would seem hardline Calvinists do not actuallly believe any of us are guilty of our own sin and God is to blame for all of it.

 

[pinebeach]

Thats your business

My business is asking you for biblical ground upon which you are basing your repetitious all assuming words that prove nothing other than you and a certain bird bare some resemblance

 

[Genez]

False, The Spirit regenerates and gives faith in Christ

You have not been able to solve how man can be naturally opposed to God, and accept God.
That is because you have no understanding yet as to why that is so.

It is the flesh that blinds the soul to God.
If you can stop the flesh from doing that?

Then a soul will be able to see God.
Your soul is not automatically opposed to God when made free to think without the flesh.

The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. ​

The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. ​

Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8:6-8​

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That was written to believers!​

For it is in the flesh where your sin nature resides.
It is where YOUR sin nature resides.
Yes. You, too, can sin!

What would keep you from having the sin nature rule over your thinking?
When the Holy Spirit contains it as to make your soul free to think with God. (if you want to)

But if you sin in your heart?
The flesh will rule you.

That is why we have carnal Christians.
And, that is why we have the following to get us back into the filling of the Spirit.

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If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and ​

purify us from all wrongdoing." 1 John 1:9​

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.​

 

[Calmador]

Why arent all saved then ? Because the all is limited to only the saved. Do you contend Jesus died for them lost in their sins ?

Brifgtfame52

You are so out of touch. Yes Christ died for them while they were lost in their sins. It's Bible

Romans 5:8​

8But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

 

[Genez]

Yes, the Gospel is doctrine, what Christ did is Doctrine have you ever heard of the doctrine of Christ Heb 6:1

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works,

2 Jn 1:9

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Didnt you know believing is obeying doctrine Rom 6:17

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

What you think Rom 6:17 is about ? What form of Doctrine ?

You keep proclaiming things so, when it is not how it is.
Must be nice to be the Pope.

Believers can teach the Gospel as doctrine.
But the drawing of God is done without words many times.

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[pinebeach]

How is it that 'brightflame 52' has now resorted to saying that a person does not believe in Jesus if they do not accept
his ideas?

A little presumptuous and false, but so is Calvinism..

 

[Roger316]

Simply put: you present Calvinism wearing a different costume, but it's still a costume.

Cute, but whether Calvin would agree with me or not is the issue, is it? The issue is whether what I said is true, and it is.

Sanctification is on ongoing process. Your logic, not Paul's, is mistaken. Look up regeneration to help you understand what sancitification is.

Synonyms of sanctification
1
: an act of sanctifying

2
a
: the state of being sanctified
b
: the state of growing in divine grace as a result of Christian commitment after baptism or conversion

Sanctification in Scripture is first and foremost a state of being, not a process. To sanctify means to *set apart*, whether naturally (as with temple vessels) or by divine assignment (as with God’s people). When Paul says believers are “sanctified by the Spirit,” he is describing a definitive act in which God claims a person as His own. That sanctified status does not come in degrees; it is either true or not true. What people often call “ongoing sanctification” is actually the growth in holiness that follows from being sanctified, not sanctification itself. The Bible’s language is precise: sanctification is the state God assigns at conversion, and moral transformation is the fruit that grows from that state. Mixing the two creates confusion; keeping them distinct preserves Paul’s logic and the clarity of the gospel.

When God sets someone apart for His holy purpose, that act of setting apart is not merely a label—it is the moment He creates new life in them. In Scripture, to be sanctified is to be claimed by God, and when God claims someone, He does so by giving them the Spirit who brings regeneration. In other words, sanctification and regeneration are not two separate steps; sanctification is the divine act that produces regeneration. When God says, “This one is Mine,” the Spirit enters, the heart is made alive, and faith becomes possible. So yes—when God sets someone apart, He regenerates them. That is the biblical pattern: sanctification is the cause, and new birth is the effect.

 

[Roger316]

He began a good work and will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

Your Promise

Well said, in my humble opinion.

 

[Anchorite]

Does God regenerate you, then you repent?

Or does God lead you, not force you, to repentance?

Romans 2:4

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

 

[pinebeach]

So, what is the gospel?

Is it as the op contends, Calvinism without which no one will see the Lord? I don't have that in any Bible translation I have on hand nor can I find it in any online Bible translation.

Will no one see the Lord unless they are a Calvinist?

Synonyms of gospel
1
a
often Gospel : the message concerning Christ, the kingdom of God, and salvation
b
Gospel : one of the first four New Testament books telling of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ

Apparently, Calvinism is not the gospel and at this point, I am starting to believe that to say it is, is to court with blasphemy...with and including no one shall see the Lord.

 

[Genez]

Is that ALL Jesus was saying?

Nicodemus comes to Jesus because he has already seen something divine in Him—he admits that no one could do these signs unless God were with Him. Jesus’s reply is profound: He tells Nicodemus that no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. Let that settle. Nicodemus’s ability to recognize God’s kingdom breaking into the world through Jesus’s works is itself evidence that the Spirit was already at work in him. His willingness to acknowledge the truth, to see God’s hand in Jesus, shows that the new birth had begun in him even before he understood it.

It was the drawing of God working in Nicodemus.

Jesus was telling him how to break through to the other side. The new birth.

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The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness ​

of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God ​

is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world ​

God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being ​

understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.​

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Romans 1:18-20​

What Jesus is was made plain to Nicodemus.
It was the same principle as seen in Romans that was at work in Nicodemus' soul.
God is able to make the unregenerate to see what God needs them to see to believe.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness ​

of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God ​

is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. ​

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.​

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[Calmador]

So you dont believe Christ death saved them He died for. So how can you say you believe in Christ as Saviour ?

I've seen this before... Calvinist tactics to distort the other view and pretend the other has it. This one has been played on me and makes everyone else just shake their head


The position is that Christ died for all, this is the finished work, the gift, then for those to be saved, they need to accept the gift through faith.

Salvation doesn't happen at the moment of the death of Christ. (I'll keep the door open for dead believers though, would have to read in it). That is some wierd thing Calvinists have been taught by disingenuous Calvinist teachers and sadly I see this one here and there... it's like theres a Calvinist factory somewhere and it doesn't help.

 

[Cameron143]

Don't know why people make salvation so difficult. We are saved by grace. Grace is the unmerited exercise of God's power in/on/through an individual. Thus, salvation is the result of the activity of God alone. Any activity on our part...belief, repentance, confession, obedience, etc...is the result of the power of God being exercised.

This is why the gospel is only the power of God to those who believe. All would believe if God always exercised grace when the gospel was preached. Those who don't come to belief have not had the grace of God exercised in/on/through them.

 

[Roger316]

As long as the gift of salvation is available to all who choose to believe it and receive it ... I agree.

I agree that the gift of salvation is genuinely offered to all, but the deeper point is that God does not wait to see who will choose it. A powerful god inside the universe would need to force belief or hope that someone freely picks it up. But the transcendent Creator works differently: He creates the very faith He commands. When God predestines someone, He predestines their entire storyline—their awakening, their conviction, their desire for truth, their turning to Christ. So yes, salvation is available to all, but those who actually choose it do so because God has written a life in which they truly, freely come to believe. Their choice is real, but it is the result of God’s creative will, not a condition that limits it.

 

[pinebeach]

Cute, but whether Calvin would agree with me or not is the issue, is it? The issue is whether what I said is true, and it is.

Sanctification in Scripture is first and foremost a state of being, not a process. To sanctify means to *set apart*, whether naturally (as with temple vessels) or by divine assignment (as with God’s people). When Paul says believers are “sanctified by the Spirit,” he is describing a definitive act in which God claims a person as His own. That sanctified status does not come in degrees; it is either true or not true. What people often call “ongoing sanctification” is actually the growth in holiness that follows from being sanctified, not sanctification itself. The Bible’s language is precise: sanctification is the state God assigns at conversion, and moral transformation is the fruit that grows from that state. Mixing the two creates confusion; keeping them distinct preserves Paul’s logic and the clarity of the gospel.

When God sets someone apart for His holy purpose, that act of setting apart is not merely a label—it is the moment He creates new life in them. In Scripture, to be sanctified is to be claimed by God, and when God claims someone, He does so by giving them the Spirit who brings regeneration. In other words, sanctification and regeneration are not two separate steps; sanctification is the divine act that produces regeneration. When God says, “This one is Mine,” the Spirit enters, the heart is made alive, and faith becomes possible. So yes—when God sets someone apart, He regenerates them. That is the biblical pattern: sanctification is the cause, and new birth is the effect.

LOL! Stop responding to people like they are in your small group class. It's so out of place especially to those who actually study scripture apart from your little group.

 

[Calmador]

How is it that 'brightflame 52' has now resorted to saying that a person does not believe in Jesus if they do not accept
his ideas?

A little presumptuous and false, but so is Calvinism..

His a bit stuck in his Calvinism. It's took me a while but now I see the holes clearly.

 

[HeIsHere]

Don't know why people make salvation so difficult. We are saved by grace. Grace is the unmerited exercise of God's power in/on/through an individual. Thus, salvation is the result of the activity of God alone. Any activity on our part...belief, repentance, confession, obedience, etc...is the result of the power of God being exercised.

This is why the gospel is only the power of God to those who believe. All would believe if God always exercised grace when the gospel was preached. Those who don't come to belief have not had the grace of God exercised in/on/through them.

Easy but wrong.