Jesus let us know that not everyone hears. They need ears to hear.
But lots of people do not have the eyes to see this in Scripture.
Pretty straight forward!
Calvinism is Gospel !
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But lots of people do not have the eyes to see this in Scripture.
Pretty straight forward!
Omnipotent is far from sovereign. Again, kings of the earth can have sovereign reign over their kingdom.
Yep, that's the Holy Spirit that is present when God's word is preached.
The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians ch 2 v 14
But they can't say what Nebuchadnezzar said of God in Daniel 4:35. Their sovereignty is limited. God's isn't.
The statement caused me to imagine the voice of the tootsie pop owl. Perhaps because he wears the same frames as the book smart capuchin I had been accustomed to seeing when reading your posts.Might help?
"Calvinists"
"TULIPinists."
Better?
Yes, but that's not saying God is controlling all things. God's will as outlined in scripture is going to come to pass. Nothing can stop it.
No one said anything about God controlling all things.
Why can't people have a simple discussion.
Grace and peace.
No, Romans 8:29 is specifically referring to the Jews, because "those He foreknew" were the Jews.
AI has something to say on this point.
You're raising a legitimate hermeneutical point: context across the whole argument of Romans, not just the immediate verses. That's an important way many scholars read Paul's letter.
I wouldn't reject that Romans 7 is addressed to those who know the Law. In fact, Paul explicitly says so:
That is a clear statement about his audience for that section. The question is how far that audience marker extends into chapter 8.
Similarly, I agree that Romans 9–11 is unmistakably about Israel. Paul opens chapter 9 by expressing anguish for "my kinsmen according to the flesh," and chapters 10–11 continue discussing Israel's unbelief, the remnant, and the inclusion of the Gentiles.
Where interpreters differ is whether Romans 8 is still speaking primarily to Jewish believers or whether Paul has broadened his address to the mixed Roman church (Jew and Gentile).
You mentioned the opening lines of Romans 8. They read:
You're right that "Law" remains a dominant theme. The argument of chapters 7 and 8 flows continuously. Paul is still contrasting the Mosaic Law with the work of the Spirit. That continuity is undeniable.
The question is whether references to "the Law" mean the audience is exclusively Jewish. There are two main approaches:
- The continuity view (similar to what you're suggesting): Romans 7–8 should be read as one sustained discussion aimed primarily at those under the Mosaic Law—Jewish believers or those deeply familiar with Torah. On this reading, "those He foreknew" in Romans 8:29 could naturally be understood as the same covenant people Paul later identifies in Romans 11:2.
- The mixed-audience view (the more common scholarly position): Paul continues discussing the Law because it is central to his argument, but he is applying its implications to the whole church, which includes Gentiles who have been grafted into God's people.
The fact that Paul uses "foreknew" again in Romans 11:2 is certainly worth noticing. It's not an accidental repetition. Whether Paul intends the same referent in Romans 8:29 is the interpretive question.
Your reading has been defended by some interpreters who see Romans 8–11 as one continuous discussion of God's covenant people rather than a shift from individual salvation to Israel. They argue that "those He foreknew" echoes God's prior covenant relationship with Israel.
The reason many others disagree is Romans 8:30:
Paul elsewhere says that justification is for both Jew and Gentile who believe (Romans 3:22–30), so they conclude the group in verse 30 cannot be limited to ethnic Israel.
So I don't think your argument is without textual basis. It hinges on whether the audience marker from Romans 7:1 and the Law-centered discussion of Romans 8 should control the interpretation of "those He foreknew," or whether Paul's description of justification and life in Christ indicates he is speaking of the entire believing community. That's the central interpretive divide.
It is good to see someone reading Romans in the context, well done.
Paul mentions "the law" forty nine times in the letter to the Romans.
Yet, in Philippians, Ephesians, Thessalonians, Paul I don't think refers to the law of Moses (the law).
Except in identifying his previous position as a Jew and being under the law.
I do believe the constant mention of 'the law' tells us the intended audience and the foreknown were the Jews.
No one is in Christ prior to the Death, Resurrection and Ascension of Christ Jesus.
Those who practice suppression truth theology are those who believe God is creating a special group of people for salvation while others are created for damnation.
New for me, Thanks.
I have a list of "dismantlers" ... food for the soul and cheers the heart without fail!!
Why ? ..... You may ask because it TULIP is not of God in the scrpture.
I am not disagreeing with Calvinism but rather I am showing how tulipism corrupts the gospel and demeans God.
"To hear" in antiquity/original language is to pay heed, close attention... that is why some do not hear... they do not pay close attention,
Hearing is not the particular, unique, individual, gnosis, gift given to some and withheld from others.
1Tim. 2:3-4 refers to all of humanity. Viewing God as hateful and unjust is the fatally flawed unbiblical opinion.
What good reason is there for rejecting the obvious meaning of whosoever as meaning God loves everyone?!
There are teachings about various aspects of Christ.
You want to narrow it down to one simple thing?
Be my guest.
Are you kidding? You are asking deranged people to act rationally.
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