Calvinism is Gospel !

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dkontner said:
Sorry to break it to you, but I'm to preach the cross. I know I was saved before I was born. God has revealed that, hence my signature. But I DON'T KNOW who belongs to him and we don't judge to the end. So we preach the cross. Should I preach the gospel of Calvinism? Never in a million years, I know who saved me.

1 Corinthians 3​

6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
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Salvation/Born Again/Regeneration occurs in real earthly time.
 
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We can say God draws you to Christ, he gives you the faith to believe. However, God has rules. Faith in His son is required to place you in a saved state. An inconvenient truth to some, which must be theologised away.
 
brightfame52 said:
This poster denies there is a Doctrine of Christ, even in light of scripture Heb 6:1

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Jn 1:9


Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
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its not what he is saying, jesus did and said many things., all he said is important, all Jesus said and did is the Gospel, Jesus send his disciples to teach this, not the doctrine of Men.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Try matching the Truths of tulip with the things Jesus taught.
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As I feared , Calvin before Christ. as for what you said I already did try and match and is does not, there are major differences here is one point a post I prepared yesterday;

If you want one argument that goes to the heart of Calvinism (especially TULIP), it is this:

Jesus taught that people are condemned because they refuse God's offer, not because they were never chosen or never able to respond (John 3:19-20; John 5:40; Matthew 23:37; Luke 19:41-42; Matthew 11:28; John 7:37; John 12:46-48).

This strikes at the foundation of Total Depravity (as inability), Unconditional Election, Irresistible Grace, and Limited Atonement all at once.

Jesus repeatedly places the responsibility on the person.
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that kills the prophets, and stones them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Matthew 23:37 (ASV)

Notice what Jesus says. He wanted to gather them, but they were not willing. He does not say they could not come because they were not elected. He says they would not. This is the difference between inability and unwillingness.

Jesus also said:
And ye will not come to me, that ye may have life.
John 5:40 (ASV)

Again, the problem is not that they were incapable of coming. The problem is that they refused.

Jesus even wept over Jerusalem because of their rejection.
And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it, saying, If thou hadst known in this day, even thou, the things which belong unto peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luke 19:41-42 (ASV)

If God had eternally decreed that these people could never come, why would Jesus grieve over their refusal? His sorrow shows that their rejection was real and that His invitation was genuine.

The same truth appears in one of the clearest invitations in Scripture.
Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 11:28 (ASV)

Jesus invites all. He does not say, "Come, only those secretly elected." His invitation is sincere. Likewise:
If any man thirst, let him come unto me and drink.
John 7:37 (ASV)

"If any man" means exactly what it says.

Finally, Jesus explains why people perish. And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil. John 3:19 (ASV)

They are condemned because they loved darkness, not because they were created without the ability to believe.

This is the central weakness in Calvinism. Calvin's system begins with the idea that fallen man is morally unable to respond to God unless God first regenerates him. Jesus never says this. Instead, He consistently says people hear, see, know, are invited, and are condemned because they refuse, will not come, love darkness, and reject God's call. I have explained all this already in this thread.

A person cannot be held justly responsible for refusing an invitation he was never capable of accepting. Yet Jesus holds people responsible precisely because they could have responded but chose not to.

That is why the words of Jesus are so powerful against TULIP. His teaching presents salvation as a real invitation that people are free to accept or reject. Their condemnation comes from their own choice, not from an eternal decree that made faith impossible for them. This is consistent with God's character throughout Scripture: He calls, invites, warns, pleads, and judges people according to how they respond to His call.
 
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Not one of my Calvi friends have ever answered what went on in Jonah 3. Through the hearing of God's word, God can repent and change his mind toward the sinner.

9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
 
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2Christ said:
As I feared , Calvin before Christ. as for what you said I already did try and match and is does not, there are major differences here is one point a post I prepared yesterday;

If you want one argument that goes to the heart of Calvinism (especially TULIP), it is this:

Jesus taught that people are condemned because they refuse God's offer, not because they were never chosen or never able to respond (John 3:19-20; John 5:40; Matthew 23:37; Luke 19:41-42; Matthew 11:28; John 7:37; John 12:46-48).

This strikes at the foundation of Total Depravity (as inability), Unconditional Election, Irresistible Grace, and Limited Atonement all at once.

Jesus repeatedly places the responsibility on the person.
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that kills the prophets, and stones them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Matthew 23:37 (ASV)

Notice what Jesus says. He wanted to gather them, but they were not willing. He does not say they could not come because they were not elected. He says they would not. This is the difference between inability and unwillingness.

Jesus also said:
And ye will not come to me, that ye may have life.
John 5:40 (ASV)

Again, the problem is not that they were incapable of coming. The problem is that they refused.

Jesus even wept over Jerusalem because of their rejection.
And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it, saying, If thou hadst known in this day, even thou, the things which belong unto peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luke 19:41-42 (ASV)

If God had eternally decreed that these people could never come, why would Jesus grieve over their refusal? His sorrow shows that their rejection was real and that His invitation was genuine.

The same truth appears in one of the clearest invitations in Scripture.
Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 11:28 (ASV)

Jesus invites all. He does not say, "Come, only those secretly elected." His invitation is sincere. Likewise:
If any man thirst, let him come unto me and drink.
John 7:37 (ASV)

"If any man" means exactly what it says.

Finally, Jesus explains why people perish. And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil. John 3:19 (ASV)

They are condemned because they loved darkness, not because they were created without the ability to believe.

This is the central weakness in Calvinism. Calvin's system begins with the idea that fallen man is morally unable to respond to God unless God first regenerates him. Jesus never says this. Instead, He consistently says people hear, see, know, are invited, and are condemned because they refuse, will not come, love darkness, and reject God's call. I have explained all this already in this thread.

A person cannot be held justly responsible for refusing an invitation he was never capable of accepting. Yet Jesus holds people responsible precisely because they could have responded but chose not to.

That is why the words of Jesus are so powerful against TULIP. His teaching presents salvation as a real invitation that people are free to accept or reject. Their condemnation comes from their own choice, not from an eternal decree that made faith impossible for them. This is consistent with God's character throughout Scripture: He calls, invites, warns, pleads, and judges people according to how they respond to His call.
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Well Done!

They will not be persuaded sadly, probably because it is threatening to their own convictions of why/how they were saved.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Did God ensure Jesus Christ save all for whom He died ? What is the Doctrine of Christ ?
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Did God say some people were created just to be fodder for the fire or does He say whosover will may come?

I'm so sorry you are still trying to find someone to explain to you what the doctrine of Christ is. Is it different than the gospel?
 
John146 said:
That's the same power the gospel can have on anyone who is in darkness. Anyone! Please do not limit the power of God to a few so called elect group.
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The world cannot receive the Spirit of Truth. Do you know who "the world" is?

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto
salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
 
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