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John146 said:
You still have provided zero scripture from the Apostle Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, where he or anyone else referred to them a sheep. And you accuse me of straying from the truth.
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I am still waiting for a verse articulating free will of the natural man, but I know there are none because it is just a fantasy you
have. Still, I have been asking for that a lot longer than you pretending believers are not sheep under the Shepherd's care.

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"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.
 
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Magenta said:
I am still waiting for a verse articulating free will, but I know there are none because it is just a fantasy you have.
Still, I have been asking for that a lot longer than you pretending believers are not sheep under the Shepherd's care.
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Believe, choose, call...all are free will words.
 
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The Bible teaches Free Will from cover to cover, it is unescapable. Yes God sometimes does things like hardening Pharaohs heart so he will not let the Israelites go, but that doesn't negate the rest of the Bible. God also chose the Israel and his disciples, but again that doesn't negate the rest of scripture.

The church has followed Augustine's heresy's rather than Gods word, but I believe we are seeing more and more Christians these days getting back to Biblical truths.
 
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Magenta said:
Slaves to sin are free in the FW theology. What else can we expect from those blinded to Truth
by the god of this world? People who are opposed to the spiritual things of God which they
can neither receive nor comprehend while hearing the gospel message as foolishness?

Not once does the Bible say the natural man's will is free... in fact, quite the opposite, since he is
a slave to sin and captive to to the will of the devil, blinded to truth, opposed to the spiritual things
of God, unable/incapable of submitting to God or obeying Him. But in the mind of free willer/Pelagian
heretics that is freedom. He hears the gospel as foolishness but the foolishness of free willers is that
that person will choose to believe even though Jesus said it is impossible. The natural man can no more
change his God hating heart than an Ethiopian can change the colour of his skin or a leopard his spots.
He is unable to hear, incapable of submitting to God, a lover of darkness, refusing to come into the light,
hearing the gospel as foolishness, unable to receive or comprehend the spiritual things of God, to which
he is opposed and to Whom he is hostile toward while under the power and influence of the devil, as is
the whole world, out of which believers have been called.
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I don't actually believe most are hateful of God. What they have done is incorrectly attributed things to God that God doesn't ascribe to Himself. Their wrong assumptions color their understanding of God and corrupts their doctrine.
 
John146 said:
Believe, choose, call...all are free will words.
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They do not articulate the free will of the natural man who is explicitly said to be incapable of submitting to or obeying God.

The one who does what you point at have been freed by Christ. Those without Christ do not
belong to Him and are not free to choose no matter how loud or often you scream about it.
 
Magenta said:
So you believe those blessed of the Father to inherit the kingdom prepared for them from
the foundation of the world are not His sheep? Wow. Whatever dude. You have very much
strayed from the Truth of Scriptures, as have most FWers, and I am not arguing that you are
not a sheep. I know Who my Shepherd is. I have heard His voice; He is the Overseer of my soul.
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My younger cousin insisted that she could hear Jesus speaking to her in the wind. She very much considered herself among the chosen few.

She was rather nutty also.

Are you from Chicago?
 
Cameron143 said:
I don't actually believe most are hateful of God. What they have done is incorrectly attributed things to God that God doesn't ascribe to Himself. Their wrong assumptions color their understanding of God and corrupts their doctrine.
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Where did I say these slanderers are hateful to God? :unsure:

It is true some of them blaspheme God along with all their slander...
 
Magenta said:
Slaves to sin are free in the FW theology. What else can we expect from those blinded to Truth
by the god of this world? People who are opposed to the spiritual things of God which they
can neither receive nor comprehend while hearing the gospel message as foolishness?

Not once does the Bible say the natural man's will is free... in fact, quite the opposite, since he is
a slave to sin and captive to to the will of the devil, blinded to truth, opposed to the spiritual things
of God, unable/incapable of submitting to God or obeying Him. But in the mind of free willer/Pelagian
heretics that is freedom. He hears the gospel as foolishness but the foolishness of free willers is that
that person will choose to believe even though Jesus said it is impossible. The natural man can no more
change his God hating heart than an Ethiopian can change the colour of his skin or a leopard his spots.
He is unable to hear, incapable of submitting to God, a lover of darkness, refusing to come into the light,
hearing the gospel as foolishness, unable to receive or comprehend the spiritual things of God, to which
he is opposed and to Whom he is hostile toward while under the power and influence of the devil, as is
the whole world, out of which believers have been called.
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Called irresistibly per tulip, but if God wanted to create a race of robots He would have programmed everyone to be “saved “.
 
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Cameron143 said:
It was in the text I quoted.
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The natural man? Scripture says he hates God. "The natural man can no more change his
God hating heart than an Ethiopian can change the colour of his skin or a leopard his spots."
That's what was in my post. But now that you mention it? Whoever claims to love God yet hates
a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have
seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. FWers hate us.
 
Magenta said:
Those without the Spirit of Christ do not belong to Christ. Scripture says so but FWers
reject, contradict, and deny a slew of Scriptures in favor of their opinions. Some of these
FWers call direct Scripture "false teachings." They love slandering Bible believers.

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John 14 v 17a, Romans 8 v 6-9 ~ “Inability” in Bible. The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth. The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Praise be to God for calling me out of the world.
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Projection.
 
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James 1 verses 14-15; 1 John 2 verse 16 Each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. For all that is in the world- the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life- is not from the Father but from the world. .:)
 
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Free will is gift given to man by God. Man has free will because he is made in Gods image, and God has free will.
 
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Magenta said:
The natural man? Scripture says he hates God. "The natural man can no more change his
God hating heart than an Ethiopian can change the colour of his skin or a leopard his spots."
That's what was in my post. But now that you mention it? Whoever claims to love God yet hates
a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have
seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. FWers hate us.
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But Scripture doesn’t say FWers are natural man. Those who ascribe hatred and injustice to God better fit that description.
 
Magenta said:
The natural man? Scripture says he hates God. "The natural man can no more change his
God hating heart than an Ethiopian can change the colour of his skin or a leopard his spots."
That's what was in my post. But now that you mention it? Whoever claims to love God yet hates
a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have
seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. FWers hate us.
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My point was only that I don't believe most here are the natural man. I believe they have made assumptions about God that lead to their errors.
 
Cameron143 said:
My point was only that I don't believe most here are the natural man. I believe they have made assumptions about God that lead to their errors.
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I was talking about the natural man in relation to the free will fantasy these FWers have.

It is out of man's nature that he makes choices, and with the heart that one believes... the free will
proponents essentially assert that the incurably wicked heart of the natural/unregenerated man is
free to choose to believe that which he is not only opposed to, but that which he can neither receive/
accept nor comprehend. They have the man with zero wisdom acting wise to do God's will when
Scripture says that man cannot. And their idea of wisdom is that person choosing to believe what they
hear as foolishness. They reject what Jesus said about it being impossible for a bad tree to bring forth
good fruit, and there are none good, no, not one! But they reject a whole slew of Scriptures from beginning
to end of the Bible, such as nothing good lives in man's flesh, and flesh serves the law of sin, and brings
forth fruit unto death, all in favour of a doctrine that has zero support in the Bible, with not one verse
articulating what they prefer over what is actually said. In fact they routinely contradict and deny what
is explicitly stated, and really seem unable to stop ascribing to the unregenerated man qualities,
characteristics, and abilities that only the regenerated person is in possession of. Some of these
people are so liberated in their thinking against Biblical truth that they routinely blaspheme God
and freely and repeatedly slander those they disagree with.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I don't actually believe most are hateful of God. What they have done is incorrectly attributed things to God that God doesn't ascribe to Himself. Their wrong assumptions color their understanding of God and corrupts their doctrine.
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Ditto.
 
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