Calvinism is Gospel !

[Cameron143]

One would think an educated person would understand it is with the will one makes a choice. No will, no choices.

And freedom is always restrained, if not, you have chaos.

Sure, but that doesn't change what I said. Being able to make choices isn't the same as having free will.

The will is subject to the nature of the entity in question. By your own admission you consent that what I stated is true. Being able to make choices is not the same as free will.

 

[Cameron143]

Some people like to create other definitions of free will, as in it means being able to control the consequences of one's decisions.

That is just plain silly.

And free will does not mean every decision is made without influence but that a person can realize the various influence(S) and still make a decision that is not determined by that influence.

That's not my definition. Free will doesn't mean one can make choices, but that one can make any and every choice.

 

[brightfame52]

You are bearing false witness about me.

Like you bearing false witness about Christ ? He couldn't save a sinner who was too tuff for Him lol. Ask Paul how easy it was for Christ to save a Christ hating, rejecting sinner.

 

[Cameron143]

Are choices made without free will?

BTW, is the issue with you that mankind does not possess ultimate and absolute free will?

Please tell me this is not the issue.

The issue is that being able to make choices isn't the same thing as free will.

 

[Magenta]

You are bearing false witness about me.
I never said Jesus failed in His mission, nor all the other remarks you falsely accuse me of saying.
Does your Calvinism teach you to lie about people?

You have told a whole slew of lies over and over again. It is your nature. Are you a Calvinist?

Or an Islamist?

 

[Cameron143]

Actually no.

πᾶς all

all; in the sg. the whole, entire, usually when the substantive has the article, Mt. 6:29; 8:32; Acts 19:26; every, only with an anarthrous subst., Mt. 3:10; 4:4; pl. all, Mt. 1:17, et al. freq.; πάντα, in all respects, Acts 20:35; 1 Cor. 9:25; 10:33; 11:2; by a Hebraism, a negative with πᾶς is sometimes equivalent to οὐδείς or μηδείς, Mt. 24:22; Lk. 1:37; Acts 10:14; Rom. 3:20; 1 Cor. 1:29; Eph. 4:29

Nope. Guess you got that from one of your scholars.

 

[Magenta]

Nope. Guess you got that from one of your scholars.

She has scholars? One might never know. Is that who taught her to blaspheme God?

 

[Cameron143]

God is free, and so are those He chose to create in His image.

God can sin?

 

[Magenta]

God can sin?

They are terribly confused.

 

[HeIsHere]

Nope. Guess you got that from one of your scholars.

You think you know better than the BDAG?

What is "PAS"?If you are asking about the term "pas" (πᾶς) in the BDAG lexicon, it is a very common ancient Greek word. It means "all," "every," "the whole," or "everyone." In BDAG, the entry for "pas" is massive and broken down into many sections because this word has different meanings depending on how it is used in a sentence.
Logos Bible Study.

The scholarship against Calvinism has left Calvinism in the dust, you know why >>> CONTEXT

 

[Cameron143]

You think you know better than the BDAG?

What is "PAS"?If you are asking about the term "pas" (πᾶς) in the BDAG lexicon, it is a very common ancient Greek word. It means "all," "every," "the whole," or "everyone." In BDAG, the entry for "pas" is massive and broken down into many sections because this word has different meanings depending on how it is used in a sentence.
Logos Bible Study.

The scholarship against Calvinism has left Calvinism in the dust, you know why >>> CONTEXT

Your scholarship should be better. You would know the meaning of pas/pantos is determined from context. It can be as you say, but not in Romans 11:32.

 

[Magenta]

That's not my definition. Free will doesn't mean one can make choices, but that one can make any and every choice.

They must think tares can choose to become wheat.

Part of the problem is that people think that making choices equates to the will being free.
They say such things as, if the will is not free, then people are puppets. This is a logical fallacy.
Making mundane choices does not in any way address what the Bible teaches about man's will
being enslaved to sin, blinded to the truth, unable to hear, incapable of submitting to God, a lover
of darkness, refusing to come into the light, hearing the gospel as foolishness, unable to receive or
comprehend the spiritual things of God, to which he is opposed and to Whom he is hostile toward
while under the power and influence of the devil, as is the whole world, out of which believers have
been called. Thinking your will is free simply because you can choose what colour of socks to wear
or what to have for lunch, or whether to do the right or wrong things, or what book to choose out
of the mountains of them available, has no bearing on the eternal fate of your soul, and mixing those
things in with what the Bible teaches about the estate of fallen man is a distraction from the real issue.

This is the crux of the conversation, such as it is, for it is out of man's nature that he makes choices,
and it is with the heart that one believes... the free will proponents essentially assert that the incurably
wicked heart of the natural/unregenerated man is free to choose to believe that which he is not only
opposed to, but that which he can neither receive/accept nor comprehend while in the flesh as are all
before becoming indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God. They have the man with zero wisdom acting wise
to do God's will when Scripture says that man cannot, that flesh cannot please God, that flesh serves
the law of sin and brings forth fruit unto death, not life, and is unable to submit to or obey God. And
their idea of wisdom is that person choosing to believe what they hear as foolishness. They reject
what Jesus said about it being impossible for a bad tree to bring forth good fruit... there are none
good, no, not one! Even when asked who can be saved, Jesus said that with man it was impossible,
and there are other places where we are explicitly told it is not by the will of the flesh or man but
by God's will that any are saved. Some philosophers and philosophy books have said man has a will
that is free and that is enough for many to parrot what they hear and throw over a slew of Scriptural
truths. They ascribe to the natural man qualities, characteristics, and abilities possessed only by the
spiritual man. It becomes obvious they make no distinction between the two and worse,
some have no idea that there even is a distinction.

 

[brightfame52]

Your scholarship should be better. You would know the meaning of pas/pantos is determined from context. It can be as you say, but not in Romans 11:32.

Thats the elect. Notice, God doesnt condemn them for unbelief, He gives them mercy out of it

 

[pinebeach]

You are bearing false witness about me.

I never said Jesus failed in His mission, nor all the other remarks you falsely accuse me of saying.

Does your Calvinism teach you to lie about people?

Calvinism comes with lying. Calvinism is one big lie.

 

[HeIsHere]

Your scholarship should be better. You would know the meaning of pas/pantos is determined from context. It can be as you say, but not in Romans 11:32.

LOL .. the context shows nothing to indicate other than the general meaning of the word.

Try again that is why it is translated as all.

 

[pinebeach]

a legal and election union

Which begat false testimony, badgering, bait and switch and various other spawn of

 

[HeIsHere]

Calvinism comes with lying. Calvinism is one big lie.

Oh my goodness so true ... and they don't even care.

I also read and I do not know if I could find the name of doctor but high correlation with narcissism.
Thinking about John Calvin, no surprise there.

 

[pinebeach]

Oh my goodness so true ... and they don't even care.

I also read and I do not know if I could find the name of doctor but high correlation with narcissism.
Thinking about John Calvin, no surprise there.

Classic narcissism. Back then, you could literally kill. Today, narcissists kill the spirit.

 

[Cameron143]

LOL .. the context shows nothing to indicate other than the general meaning of the word.

Try again that is why it is translated as all.

All doesn't always mean every single person. It can mean all of a specified group. In the case of Romans 11:32 it means just as I stated originally.

 

[pinebeach]

Some people try very hard to convince you that left is right and right is left and abracadabra watch me pull a Calvin out
of my translation