Calvinism is Gospel !
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I can see your brightframed designer question laid like a net to ensnare His people like birds. How useless is a net spread in the sight of a bird (Prov 1:17). Ezek 13: 18-20 warns of false prophetesses such as you and your magical friends.
I think that John 6:39 in conjunction with 17:2, 9, 20 (amongst other verses), definitely confirm your statement above.
[Jhn 6:39 KJV] 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[Jhn 17:2, 9, 20 KJV]
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. ...
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. ...
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Your calvinisticism you conclude from that fact is meant to imply He did not come to make the way for all to be saved, which intentionally leaves out the will of the Father "Who will have all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth (1Tim 2:4)." In spite of that scripture, you still persist in claiming God does not want all to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth and exert all your energy into teaching that as a lie.
That which was lost...who was lost? How can someone who was saved and chosen from the foundation of the world be lost? Are you saying God lost them? Is not ever sinner lost?
Jesus is going to give eternal life to all for whom He died and rose again in behalf of. When He rose again, His members rose with Him and were seated together with Him in heavenly places Eph 2:6 and so each of them will be quicken to vital spiritual life, they have a legal right to by fact they are already legally seated with Christ above in their Head. So they all shall be born from above or born anew ! The Holy Spirit will seek out all who are currently legally seated in the heavenlies, and will quicken them from spiritual death.
Who is the word "all" pointing to in this passage?
1 Timothy 2:
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
No, that's why I included verses 9 and 20. In them, Jesus clarifies by stating He was NOT praying for the world and WAS
praying for all those would ever believe on Him
All the Father wants to be saved. Thats what He sent Christ to do Lk 19:10 Did Christ seek and save all the Father willed to be saved ? Yes or No
Jesus was praying for his disciples and for those that would believe on him through his disciples.
How did God lose those who he chose from the foundation of the world? Why would he have to seek and save them? They're already saved. smh
So, all kings and all who are in authority. It's not good to add to scripture to fit your theology. Change your theology to align with scripture.
Correct. But you need to see that (17:20) in relation to verse 17:2 - that all those who will believe are onlly of those
given to Jesus by the Father. It would be a logical impossibility for both verses to be correct
if vs 17:2 was not the foundation and predicate for vs 17:20 - that is, 17:20 falls within the context of 17:2.
Therefore, Jesus is telling us that those who will truly believe (17:20), do so, only because they are of those given to Jesus by the Father (17:2)
verse 2 is speaking of his disciples as well. Same of verse 6, his disciples as he goes onto praying for them.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Yes. He is speaking about everyone the Father gives to Him: His disciples and those who would believe in Him
I should've said, speaking only of his disciples, and one was lost, the son of perdition.
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