Calvinism is Gospel !
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This tactic is akin to nontrinitarians saying the word “Trinity” is not found in the Bible and therefore it does not exist. Even though all true Christians recognize the principle of the Trinity is all throughout Scripture.
Aside from the aforementioned verse “ I have other sheep not of this flock “ CLEARLY referencing Gentiles, the concept that saved Gentiles are also His sheep has always been the case in Christian life.
Saved Jews are referred to as His sheep. We are grafted into Him, thereby making us Jews in Him.
I have never in my Christian walk heard a fellow Christian say we aren’t His sheep.
Very odd
That’s a pretty good twist of what the text actually says.
Without Faith……..
This get’s back to where our Faith comes from.
So not only can we not come to Him unless the Father draws us, but HE is the One that gives us the Faith to believe once we have been drawn:
Hebrews 12:2
2 unto Jesus, the Author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
I believe that's what you believe, possibly fueled by CDS. But I wasn't indoctrinated by anyone. I didn't get saved until I was 31. What I knew about religion could fit inside a thimble. So falsehood #1 is dealt with.
I'm not a Calvinist. I don't come to truth by Googling Calvin or referring to Institutes. I compare scripture with scripture. Falsehood #2 dealt with.
If you want to talk ideas, let's talk. If not, stay triggered and impugn character. The explanation I shared concerning the word all was accurate. Unless you are prepared to say the word all always means every single individual throughout history, context is important to understanding its meaning.
we believe what we believe, as we feel we are shaped by G-D'S Precious Holy Spirit, save what I will not conform to (my flesh (enemy) getting in the way, or straight up rebellion)
I not saying I do not believe some of what Calvin surmised, I am only saying we have the Whole Bible as our Scripture, for someone to say this is the foundation of the whole is excellent if correct, and misguiding if not.
the whole of THE BIBLE is G-D'S GLORY HE WILL not share with another, HIS MERCY, GRACE, LOVE, JESUS our Saviour, faith.....
it is not beneficial to say along the lines if I do not adhere to say Calvins interpretation I am not of the flock or in danger of internal hell fire ( in round about terms, not accusatory )
I get this from this statement from the article
"Departure from Calvinism, therefore, is apostasy from the Gospel of God's grace in Christ"
I don't know what that exactly means, but apostasy from G-D'S Grace doesn't sound good to me
That's a pretty good twist on the pronoun "our" in Hebrews 12:2.
Jesus is the beginning and end of "our" faith in the unseen God mentioned in the Book of Hebrews.
But it is "our" belief or unbelief that will save or condemn us not the belief or unbelief of God.
Mark 9:24
Immediately the father of the boy cried out, “I do believe; help my unbelief!”
The belief and unbelief of this father was his own.
Misplaced understanding of pronouns leads to such nonsense as election.
Not the case in the churches I have attended throughout my life. The other sheep are found in Matthew 25. Can you post scripture where the Apostle Paul, you know, the apostle to the Gentiles, refer to them as sheep? I can be persuaded through scripture, not debates without scripture.
Romans 11 states that Israel, God's elect nation, is an enemy of the gospel.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Israel is God's elect nation. Elect for what? Service, to serve the purpose of bringing forth the promise seed of Genesis 3:15. And because of this election, God made a covenant with them. This will come to pass in the future at his return as King of the earth.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Israel is God's elect nation. Elect for what? Service, to serve the purpose of bringing forth the promise seed of Genesis 3:15. And because of this election, God made a covenant with them. This will come to pass in the future at his return as King of the earth.
Sure. Choice is a matter of volition. Because we have wills and intelligence, we employ reason to determine ends to bring about our intentions. We often choose between many possible choices based what we perceive to be in our best interest. The will determines our action to accomplish our choice.
A free will can make any choice, even those that aren't even conceived. Because of this, the nature of an entity determines its limitations and choices. A dog is limited by its nature. It can choose to eat the food set out or not. It can't go to the store and purchase its favorite food.
Humans obviously have more choices than dogs, but their choices are still limited by their nature. These limitations limit the actions humans can perform. Their will is free in all the choices they can make, but their will is not free to make every choice.
They simply knew they had it without giving it much thought.
For many just did not understand how God's grace caused them to have a "freed will."
Without grace given man would all be slaves to their flesh.
Yet, men can resist the grace of God as witnessed in Stephens speech before he was martyred.
You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised.
You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!"
Acts 7:51
It is a reference to the nation of Israel. That is God's people.
Btw, the term "elect" is always referenced to service, never salvation.
1. OT God's elect nation, Israel - served God's purpose of bringing forth the seed of Genesis 3:15.
2. God's elect Son, Jesus Christ - served God's purpose of bringing forth salvation through the cross.
3. God's elect angels - servants of God
4. NT election, believers elected to serve God after salvation has come to them.
Call it what you want, Tulip Truths are in the scripture, and they formulate the Gospel of Gods Grace
So that's a elect People. Now Did He save 100% of that Nation ?
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