Calvinism is Gospel !
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A pejorative used as an ad hom, then they lie about Calvin repeatedly hoping to smear further
those they claim believe some dead guy above what the Bible actually says while they contradict
and outright deny what is written and slander those who believe what The Bible explicitly articulates.
The discussion was of Joel 2:12 specifically which you used it as a corroboration for your statement of Jews being called to meet in Jerusalem.. We were not discussing the whole book of Joel only that particular verse.
It was initiated by this statement from you:
"Do I? How many Gentiles are called to meet in Jerusalem?"
I said:
"which verses are you referring to?"
You said:
"Do a word search in the Bible for the term "survivors." Notice what Isaiah and Ezekiel say about them. I mentioned the book of Joel so I offer the following verse: Joel 2:12"
I said
"That occurred under the Old Covenant and was works based. It was replaced in total, along with earthly Israel, through Christ, by the New Covenant.
If you have other verses that corroborate your point of view, please post them"
You said:
"I don't know what you mean. It is a prediction of a future event. And it isn't works-based; it's faith-based. Those who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Coming to Jerusalem to pray for Israel is an act of faith."
I said that as written it is not a future even but meant as an immediate command to Israel:
"I believe the "turn to me" (if that's what you are referring to), was a command they were to follow at that point in time not in the future. It was of the Old Covenant, because there are no commands to be satisfied by those that God places under the New Covenant - Jesus unilaterally satisfied all of the New Covenant's requirements, plus the "type" of the "turn ye" is "imperative"
The type of the "turn ye" in the vs is imperative, not future (see below).
"[Joe 2:12 KJV] 12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye [even] to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:"
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So, unless you can post other verses to corroborate your initial contention, or if I've made a mistake or misunderstood you, I don't think there is a need to proceed further with tis
How very daring of you to suggest such a thing
They believe the stony ground of their rotten God-hating heart produced the good fruit of faith, even though Jesus said it was impossible.
What a wonderful and joyous message to a lost and dying world!How very daring of you to suggest such a thing
rotten God-hating heart produced the good fruit of faith, even though Jesus said it was impossible.
Calvinism sure has a lock on the wonderful, gracious and loving message of His Good news to the world.
Calvies~~What must I do to be saved? "You have a stony ground, rotten, God hating heart and Jesus says it is impossible for you to believe in Him. Have a wonderful day!!"
Paul~~"Believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved....."
Those ones had been drawn by God and were ready to be saved!
Once a person has been successfully been drawn to over the finished line, then the Father hands him over to Christ.
Each one that God has completed in drawing, is then appointed to be given to Christ!
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them,
and I will raise them up at the last day." John 6:44
If man's volition were not involved?
The Father would not bother to even draw him.
The Father would simply zap him into being saved!
And?
There are those whom God attempted to draw and had to reject them because they refused to be drawn to completion!
Please read carefully the following...
There ones resisted the drawing of God!
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness
of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God
is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s
invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood
from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their
thinking became futile, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Romans 1:18-21
See that?
It is not as simple as when some were first told.
There is more to learn!
You are missing the point.
She claims to not be a Calvinist.
Yet believes in irresistible grace.
And, then she can not figure out why others think she is a Calvinist?
Maybe not in name. But she is a Calvinist.
It is called projection from start to finish.
Talk about making scripture one's personal tool to support an ideology nowhere supported by the text.
That is what the Pharisees said about Jesus.
You do know that? Don't you?
So I don't bother with you.
Just like Jesus did with them.
I've noticed that those who rightfully expose calvinism as the doctrine of demons that it is are the ones who actually have the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ who are trying to help those following false religious cults and doctrines to make a U-turn and get off the highway to hell and get back on the strait and narrow path Jesus spoke of that leads to life.
The cult of calvinism has been proven again and again to not be biblical One must twist scripture, ignore scripture, and claim to be more "intellectual" than non calvinists in their efforts to deceive the masses as best they can to ensnare them in to the carnal minded thinking it takes to believe calvinism.
2 John 1:9-11
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
The doctrine of Christ does not teach the false doctrines of calvinism, catholicism, lutheranism, so called reform theology, nor does it teach the new age "cosmic christ" that some claiming to be Christians are embracing.
Those following these false belief systems don't have the Lord. What they have is the devil pulling the wool over their eyes blinding them in to following doctrine not taught by Jesus and His Apostles.
Projection is form of subliminal rejection of a real issue that one refuses to deal with.
It is escapism from what one refuses to take responsibility for dealing with for one's own self.
Satan has it down to an art form as a virtuoso.
It is why he keeps fighting God when there is no way for him to win.
It is why real false teachers never concede.
Pass the butter, please.
Which is why calvinism is still around.
Even when shown in the scripture that their doctrines are false, their pride requires them to continue in their false doctrine.
They have to or the other calvinists will kick them out of the social club
There are zero Scripture verses saying the will of the natural man is free to choose and several
saying it is not, that man is a slave to sin opposed to the Spiritual things of God which he can
neither receive nor comprehend, since he is a lover of darkness defined as darkness itself,
refuses to come into the Light for his deeds are evil and he does not want them exposed, blinded
by and under the power and control of Satan, as is the whole world, and the world cannot receive
the Spirit of Truth, that those without the Spirit of Christ do not belong to Him... the mind that is
set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God 's law; indeed, it cannot, the mind
of the flesh being the only thing the natural man has devoid of the mind of Christ since he is
not indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God. Pretending FWers defend truth is laughable. The
natural man hears the gospel message as foolishness and God is required in the process
of anyone coming to believe no matter how many Darwinian new agers claim otherwise.
saying it is not, that man is a slave to sin opposed to the Spiritual things of God which he can
neither receive nor comprehend, since he is a lover of darkness defined as darkness itself,
refuses to come into the Light for his deeds are evil and he does not want them exposed, blinded
by and under the power and control of Satan, as is the whole world, and the world cannot receive
the Spirit of Truth, that those without the Spirit of Christ do not belong to Him... the mind that is
set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God 's law; indeed, it cannot, the mind
of the flesh being the only thing the natural man has devoid of the mind of Christ since he is
not indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God. Pretending FWers defend truth is laughable. The
natural man hears the gospel message as foolishness and God is required in the process
of anyone coming to believe no matter how many Darwinian new agers claim otherwise.
I notice CCC is used by some (Calvanist Cheat Sheet) where they cut and paste the same thing over and over, is it available for download ?
It's called the Bible. You call it a cheat sheet? You ought to be ashamed of yourself and your gaslighting ways.
You can download it here. I hope you read it.
Sadly the "god" you follow claims he decided only a few people were created to be saved and he created all the rest for no other reason than to be fuel for the fires of hell.
Scripture very clearly refutes this but those following John Calvin as their lord and savior refuse accept what the Lord says because the spirit leading them have taught them to reject what God says which is how the devil tricked Adam and Eve in the garden of eden.
Only the Doctrine of Christ is Truth.
The doctrine of John Calvin is doctrines of demons which we can easily see since it opposes things the Lord teaches in His Word.
It's really sad about those following the doctrines of that false teacher John Calvin. Too bad.
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