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rogerg said:
God has not abandoned the earthly nation of Israel insofar as He still is spiritually removing His elect from it -
they are spiritually taken FROM earthly Israel as their point of departure, but not as their point of arrival: spiritually, they will never ever return back to it as being their spiritual headship. Those who become saved, regardless of from whence they originated, become citizens of spiritual Israel, permanently leaving behind earthly point of departure. It's the point of arrival that matters, not their point of departure. Everyone of spiritual Israel came from somewhere else. But by the very fact that they of Rom 11 were taken away from the earthly Israel, testifies that the Israel had lost it significance with God or He wouldn't have allowed them to be spiritually taken from it - just like He will not allow anyone to be taken from spiritual Israel. And regarding Mat 23:36 - 39 the earthly nation of Israel is being referred to by it.

[Rev 5:9 KJV]
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

[Gal 6:15-16 KJV]
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.


First, only scripture should be used as its own dictionary with it defining its own terms and not rest upon earthly, man-made definitions for understanding.
Second, there are clearly TWO Israels identified in scripture, not one. So just by saying "Israel", in itself, is insufficient. Therefore, we must be careful to find out which one is in view within any given verse. This is achieved by comparing scripture with scripture through the auspices of the Holy Spirit working within us. A good hint was given in Gal 6:15-16 (above). It should go a long way to decipher that it alone is the Israel of God alone or He would not have written that in that way - it would present a logical contradiction for both Israels to be God's eternal Israel. The earthly Israel was a temporary covenant partner that pointed to the ultimate, true Israel. The one He permanently marries in the New Covenant—His true Bride—is the one that inherits the eternal blessings, while the rejected, unbelieving earthly house does not.


Again, you didn't provide scripture and verse to evaluate your assertion. We need to dig deeply into scripture to know which Israel is in view because the distinction isn't always immediately obvious. We shouldn't just blindly go by the name 'Israel,' because scripture frequently refers to spiritual Israel even in the Old Testament, though its final form had not been fully revealed yet. A great way to determine which Israel is in view is to look at whether human works are attached to the promise. If human works and legal conditions are required, then the text is addressing earthly Israel under the old system. But if the promise rests entirely on God's sovereign grace—driven by His unconditional 'I will' statements—then it is addressing His spiritual Israel, the elect who are eternally secured by Christ."



Guess what? We all have the same problem.
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@Roger316

I intended to include examples of the "I will" verses mentioned above but just realized that forgot to do so, so here are some of them:

[Eze 36:22-32 KJV]
22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that [were] not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
32 Not for your sakes do I [this], saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
 
If sin is Gods plan (such as the fall in Eden) why Is God angry and grieved by it?

Psalms 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.


Why is He angry and grieved with His own plan ?
 
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WayneNSO said:
So God wanted us to sin ?
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If God wrote the names of His Elect,those whom he would Save,in His Lambs Book of Life and did this before He created the world, and Jesus is the Lamb slain for the Sins of the world, before the foundation of the world, your answer is yes.

God tells you,all things occur according to God's will and plan.

All that is ,is both of and from God.

All Biblical. Every word,from The Word.
 
rogerg said:
@Roger316

I intended to include examples of the "I will" verses mentioned above but just realized that forgot to do so, so here are some of them:

[Eze 36:22-32 KJV]
22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that [were] not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
32 Not for your sakes do I [this], saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
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@Roger316

and also the non "I will laws" - sorry, my brain isn't working too well today didn't get much sleep last night.

[Exo 19:5 KJV] 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:

[Lev 18:5 KJV] 5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I [am] the LORD.

[Deu 30:19 KJV] 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

[Jos 24:15 KJV] 15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
 
HeIsHere said:
Nowhere in scripture is that nature defined as being born unable to respond positively to the Good News, that has to be inferred and read into the verses.
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It actually does, just not in those words. For instance, in 1 Corinthians 1:21 it says that the world by wisdom knows not God. In other words, no one comes to a saving knowledge of God by human reasoning. So even when an individual hears the gospel, they cannot come to faith by reasoning through what they have heard. Further, not being saved, they are opposed to God, not subject to the law of God, and cannot understand spiritual things. This is due to their fallen nature. How do we know this is part and parcel of the fallen nature? Because none of these things were true of Adam before he sinned.
 
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Cameron143 said:
It actually does, just not in those words. For instance, in 1 Corinthians 1:21 it says that the world by wisdom knows not God. In other words, no one comes to a saving knowledge of God by human reasoning. So even when an individual hears the gospel, they cannot come to faith by reasoning through what they have heard. Further, not being saved, they are opposed to God, not subject to the law of God, and cannot understand spiritual things. This is due to their fallen nature. How do we know this is part and parcel of the fallen nature? Because none of these things were true of Adam before he sinned.
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Again a lot of twisting and tying in knots
 
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If you believe it was Gods plan for us sin and he is angry and grieved about it, then you serve a god with a split personality.

Split personality, clinically known as Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), is a mental health condition
 
Cameron143 said:
It actually does, just not in those words. For instance, in 1 Corinthians 1:21 it says that the world by wisdom knows not God. In other words, no one comes to a saving knowledge of God by human reasoning. So even when an individual hears the gospel, they cannot come to faith by reasoning through what they have heard. Further, not being saved, they are opposed to God, not subject to the law of God, and cannot understand spiritual things. This is due to their fallen nature. How do we know this is part and parcel of the fallen nature? Because none of these things were true of Adam before he sinned.
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Isn't part of the whole Pelagian heresy that humanity is/was not affected by Adam’s fall?
 
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Komentaja said:
If you claim all the verses where God tells people to repent and turn yet they are incapable, yes you indeed are changing the plain meaning of the text. You have zero reading comprehesion when you read the Bible, yet you are capable of reading a novel or a news paper or watching a movie and when people are told to "come to me" you assume ability, yet when it comes to the Bible you stop behaving like a normal person and enter into some weird esoteric hidden interpretation nobody ever believed.

Not a single person has denied Jesus saying that. You keep spamming that as well, whining about people misrepresenting and lying and you do the same. What is wrong with you?
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Commands are just that, commands. Those verses speak nothing about the sinful man's ability to obey. You have to go to other passages to study that subject. Turns out when you do that, you end up with man being dead and unable to believe unless God first does a work in the heart.

The Bible is not a novel it is God's word and if you believe in a God that is as simple as manmade novel, you may have created a god in your own image.
HeIsHere said:
Yes and there are many others carrying the mantle ... he often has them as guests on his channel.
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Provisionism is a modern, shallow, ahistorical, incoherent, inconsistent system that has no
meaningfully qualified leaders to give it any kind of serious chops.
It's a hybrid of Arminianism with a real big dose of Calvinist derangement syndrome, although they do not mind taking the eternal security from the Reformed camp. Convenient.
 
WayneNSO said:
If sin is Gods plan (such as the fall in Eden) why Is God angry and grieved by it?

Psalms 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

Why is He angry and grieved with His own plan ?
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He knew man would sin. Does that mean He planned it?

He certainly provided the ultimate remedy for sin through
the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ on the cross.

Adam was of the natural world.

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James 1 verses 14-15; 1 John 2 verse 16 Each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. For all that is in the world- the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life- is not from the Father but from the world. .:)
 
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