Calvinism is Gospel !

[Journey_man]

I hate to repeat myself, but if we are Satan's slaves, then we are not slaves of sin. It can't be both.

Secondly, the bible doesn't teach that Satan obtained legal ownership of humanity.

You're welcome to repeat yourself, but it doesn't change the fact that your view is is unbiblical and false. The Bible reveals the truth of the matter and it clearly exposes your error.

The unregenerate sinner is completely enslaved by sin and held captive by Satan. Because of "Total Depravity," humans lack the free will to choose God on their own; their desires are inherently aligned with the kingdom of darkness until God sovereignly intervenes by grace.

John 8:34: Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin".

2 Timothy 2:25-26: The Apostle Paul notes that unbelievers are taken "captive by [Satan] to do his will".

Ephesians 2:1-2: Paul describes sinners as previously walking "following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air."

Romans 6:20: "For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness".

Colossians 1:13: Believers are rescued by God, who "has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son".

Because sinners are hopelessly chained to sin and blinded by the devil, they cannot break free on their own. They require a radical, internal transformation (Regeneration) by the Holy Spirit to be granted the faith and repentance needed to escape Satan's dominion.

Who ever taught you that a sinner cannot be enslaved by his sin nature and Satan at the same time, lied you.

 

[GWH]

The Gospel per Paul is indicated in 1Cor. 15:3-4: Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And he was buried, and rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

Verse 2 says "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.", which refutes the OSAS/P part of TULIP.

In Rom. 5:6-8 Paul taught that Christ died because God loves even His enemies, which refutes the L in TULIP.

If Paul had said Christ died for "humanity's sins" this truth would be clearer, but Paul cleared it up in 1Tim. 2:3-4, which implies that everyone is enabled to exercise faith/MFW and satisfy IF/His condition for forgiveness by cooperating with His plan of salvation beginning with the genrev version (Rom. 1:20) of seeking/loving truth (2Thes. 2:10, Matt. 7:7, Heb. 11:6) through the NT culmination with Christ's atonement (John 3;16, Rom. 3:21-5:10).

Denying this truth results in the tulip heresy that teaches God loves/favors only a few, which perverts the Gospel (Gal. 1:6-9, 2:16).

 

[Journey_man]

That "maybe" was not on my behalf, but on the behalf of who I was responding. As in "don't you think this is a possibility?" It is not a maybe with me, it is truth.

It maybe the truth to you, but it's not true according to Gods Word.

 

[Roger316]

You're welcome to repeat yourself, but it doesn't change the fact that your view is is unbiblical and false. The Bible reveals the truth of the matter and it clearly exposes your error.

The unregenerate sinner is completely enslaved by sin and held captive by Satan. Because of "Total Depravity," humans lack the free will to choose God on their own; their desires are inherently aligned with the kingdom of darkness until God sovereignly intervenes by grace.

John 8:34: Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin".

2 Timothy 2:25-26: The Apostle Paul notes that unbelievers are taken "captive by [Satan] to do his will".

Ephesians 2:1-2: Paul describes sinners as previously walking "following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air."

Romans 6:20: "For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness".

Colossians 1:13: Believers are rescued by God, who "has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son".

Because sinners are hopelessly chained to sin and blinded by the devil, they cannot break free on their own. They require a radical, internal transformation (Regeneration) by the Holy Spirit to be granted the faith and repentance needed to escape Satan's dominion.

Who ever taught you that a sinner cannot be enslaved by his sin nature and Satan at the same time, lied you.

So far, you have not provided a passage of Scripture to support your contention that we are slaves of Satan. That concept is not Biblical. We are slaves of sin, just as Jesus has said.

The Ephesians passage does not say that we are slaves of Satan. Paul said that we followed the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air. We did this willingly, not as a slave.

 

[Journey_man]

It wasn't a warning, but a statement. God's does not lie to get one to pray. See Jonah. Did God have every intention of overthrowing Nineveh? His word that Jonah preached was, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." In forty days, was Nineveh overthrown? Nope. Why not? God changed his mind to overthrow them because they believed his word and repented. It really is that simple.

If God changes His mind, then God contradicts Himself.
The Bible describes God's attributes in the following;

Aseity (Self-existence): God exists in and of Himself, requiring nothing outside Himself to exist or be happy.

Immutability: God is utterly unchanging in His nature, perfections, and purposes.

Eternity: God exists outside of time; He has no beginning or end.

Omnipresence: God is not bound by space; He is fully present everywhere in His creation at all times.

Omnipotence: God is all-powerful and sovereign over all things.

Omniscience: God possesses complete, total, and simultaneous knowledge of all things—past, present, and future—including all possible realities.

Holiness: God is absolutely separate from all sin and morally perfect.

Justice and Righteousness: God perfectly administers His law and holds all of creation to an objective standard of equity.

Goodness, Mercy, and Grace: God acts with boundless benevolence, forgiving grace, and unmerited favor toward His creation.

Passages where God seemingly "changes His mind" or "relents" (e.g., Exodus 32:14 or Jonah 3:10) are understood as anthropopathisms—human-centered language. Rather than a literal alteration in God’s mind, these events describe God shifting His relationship and actions in response to changing human circumstances (such as repentance), which He ordained from the beginning.

If God didn't preordain His elect to repent, then they never would. So God is the Author and Finisher of our salvation.

 

[Journey_man]

So far, you have not provided a passage of Scripture to support your contention that we are slaves of Satan. That concept is not Biblical. We are slaves of sin, just as Jesus has said.

The Ephesians passage does not say that we are slaves of Satan. Paul said that we followed the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air. We did this willingly, not as a slave.

We followed the Prince of the power of the air (Satan), because we had no other choice. Humans can't change their nature, we act and make choices according to our nature.
A murderer doesn't just murder on the spur of the moment, he does it because that's what he is by nature.

The Lord Jesus summed it up well, when He said "a good tree cannot bare bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bare good fruit. It was a simple way of saying a sinner can't change the fact that he is enslaved by sin and Satan.

 

[Vucesa]

The Gospel per Paul is indicated in 1Cor. 15:3-4: Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And he was buried, and rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

Verse 2 says "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.", which refutes the OSAS/P part of TULIP.

It does not refute OSAS/P in TULIP whatsoever. You read the verses as prescriptive, I read it as descriptive.

In Rom. 5:6-8 Paul taught that Christ died because God loves even His enemies, which refutes the L in TULIP.

If Paul had said Christ died for "humanity's sins" this truth would be clearer, but Paul cleared it up in 1Tim. 2:3-4, which implies that everyone is enabled to exercise faith/MFW and satisfy IF/His condition for forgiveness by cooperating with His plan of salvation beginning with the genrev version (Rom. 1:20) of seeking/loving truth (2Thes. 2:10, Matt. 7:7, Heb. 11:6) through the NT culmination with Christ's atonement (John 3;16, Rom. 3:21-5:10).

In Romans 5 the all is the many, if it is all of humanity then all of humanity is saved. You cannot have it any other way, we did nothing to be in Adam and did nothing to get death, likewise we are in Christ born again not of our own 'will' or running.

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

1 Timothy 2:4 is a common proof text but fails to prove universal atonement due to the fact that if you keep reading, Paul talks about Jesus as the mediator between God and man and about Him being given as a ransom for all. If you take the all as everyone, then everyone is saved. You cannot say that it is only made available and some receive it and some do not, because Paul connects it to mediation, high priestly prayer. Let me ask you a question, for who does the High Priest mediate and pray for? For those whom the sacrifice is meant for, and if that is everyone then Jesus is interceding for people who go to hell. And we know Jesus' intercessory prayer never fails, which is why He says I pray not for the world.

 

[rogerg]

We followed the Prince of the power of the air (Satan), because we had no other choice. Humans can't change their nature, we act and make choices according to our nature.
A murderer doesn't just murder on the spur of the moment, he does it because that's what he is by nature.

The Lord Jesus summed it up well, when He said "a good tree cannot bare bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bare good fruit. It was a simple way of saying a sinner can't change the fact that he is enslaved by sin and Satan.

Guess he missed 2Co 4:4 and 1Jo 3:8, 10. there are other verses like these

[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

[1Jo 3:8, 10 KJV]
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. ...
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 

[Roger316]

We followed the Prince of the power of the air (Satan), because we had no other choice. Humans can't change their nature, we act and make choices according to our nature.
A murderer doesn't just murder on the spur of the moment, he does it because that's what he is by nature.

The Lord Jesus summed it up well, when He said "a good tree cannot bare bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bare good fruit. It was a simple way of saying a sinner can't change the fact that he is enslaved by sin and Satan.

Again, are we a slave to Satan or are we a slave to our nature? Ask yourself this question. If Satan wasn't here, would we sin anyway?

 

[Magenta]

So, in Acts 2:37 the pricking of the heart and the question being asked to Peter, "what shall we do?" mean nothing to you?

Do all the Scriptures I made reference to mean nothing to you?

Or do you just ignore them like many of your ilk do?

Let's talk about those first. They explicitly address the topic of man's will.

Your red herring here is just another rather typical and predictable logical fallacy.

 

[HeIsHere]

Jesus did not think that repenting and believing were “works”.

He commanded people to repent and believe, not “get born again, and then repent and believe”.

Jesus would not command people to do something that Calvinists claim they cannot do.


Mark 1:14, 15

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

The entire point of calvinist/reformed theology is the denial of salvation on the condition of trusting God/believing.

Election determines salvation.

Reformed theology makes a liar of whoever it was that said "Come to me all"

1. In reformed theology, election determines salvation 100% of the time

2. Those whom God chooses are can do nothing to be lost and go to heaven

3. Those whom God does not choose can do nothing to be saved and go to hell
And regarding why the elect believe, it's because God made them irresistibly willing and they cannot do otherwise - but it's a red herring.

The only reason they believe is because they are the elect. Election and nothing else determines salvation

 

[Anchorite]

Your logic that a command equals ability is completely flawed. Jesus commands us to be perfect (Matthew 5:48)—does that mean you have the free will to be sinless right now? Of course not. The command exposes our inability and is part of God driving us to Him.

You are saying God gives us commands that we cannot obey.

I prefer to obey God’s commands as He helps me to do so.

Philippians 2:13

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

 

[HeIsHere]

Really? You believe what you said is true?

Okay then, here are a couple of verses for you:
John 6:44 No one is able to come to me, except the Father which sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day. The Greek word for: "is able", (dynatai), means: ability. It is an indicative verb, in the middle voice. It literally means: "able of themselves". Therefore, we could translate 6:44 in this manner: No one is able of themselves to come to me, except the Father which sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day. Don't believe me? Check it out for yourself.

1Cor. 2:14 Now the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The natural state of our being is herein clearly taught. God did not remove our ability, we did that to ourselves - in Adam. God is the one restoring our ability, in the new birth.

Here let me help you once again, but I doubt you will see.

John 6:44

This is about His earthly ministry under the OT

In John 12:32

And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

Jesus of prophesying of his His heavenly ministry under the NT.

And guess what all means all.


1 Cor 2:14

Go read it in context.

The Gospel is not included in the specific things of the Spirit that Paul is talking about in 1 Corinthians 2:14. It cannot be because these very things Paul is talking about the CHRISTIANS in Corinth STILL COULD NOT RECEIVE.

Paul’s overarching concern in this passage is to make a case for true wisdom as held in contrast with the “wisdom of the wise” (1:19), the “wisdom of this world,” (1:20; 3:19), or the carnal “wisdom of men” (2:5).
The Greeks boasted in their wisdom and Paul is providing them a spiritually inspired warning by teaching them what true divine wisdom looks like.
That wisdom is contained in the gospel revelation (1:24, 30; 2:7).
It really is very simple I cannot take the teachings of Plato to understand the teachings of Christ Jesus.

Paul is not teaching TOTAL INABILITY, that is absolutely and completely ridiculous.

 

[rogerg]

You are saying God gives us commands that we cannot obey.

I prefer to obey God’s commands as He helps me to do so.

Philippians 2:13

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

You just completely defeated your own argument by quoting Philippians 2:13.
First, Paul did not write Philippians to the general public or to spiritually dead unbelievers. He wrote it to 'the saints in Christ Jesus' (Philippians 1:1)—the elect. An unregenerate unbeliever does not have God dwelling inside them working 'both to will and to do.'
Second, by saying you obey commands 'as He helps me to do so,' you are admitting exactly what I have been saying: without God actively working inside a person to change their will, they cannot obey His commands.
Yes, God commands all men everywhere to repent, but scripture is clear that the natural man is a slave to sin and hostile to God (Romans 8:7) and think them foolishness (1 Co 2:14). The command exposes our total inability, which is why God must sovereignly give His elect a new heart so that they can willingly obey. Thank you for providing the perfect verse to prove my point.

 

[Anchorite]

The command exposes our total inability…

Commands are given by God to be obeyed.

Only a Calvinist would say commands cannot be obeyed and just expose our inability to obey.

 

[JimiSurvivor]

You accuse me of eisegesis, but your own reading completely ignores the stark textual contrast Paul sets up in the very book you are quoting. You claim Paul knows nothing of "two calls"—one outward and human, and one inward and divine. Let’s look at the literal, historical-grammatical context of Romans to see who is actually reading into the text.

A. If you believe Paul was setting up a "stark textual contrast"between TWO SEPARATE KINDS OF CALLS, one which is outward and human and the other which is inward and divine. Please cite the verses where Paul does makes this point?
Chapter 7 is about the inadequacy of the law to produce life in us. After struggling with and failing to do what he knew he SHOULD do the Paul finally came to the conclusion (at the end of that chapter 7) that HE could not deliver himself but needed Christ to deliver Him.

B. Chapter 8 begins with how his experience radically changed once he had became a believer in Jesus. The very first change we see is that he was "set free from the law of sin and death." This began his new way of life walking in the Spirit, which he describes throughout chapter 8

C. Do you see anywhere in this passage where Paul explains your "TWO CALLS" hypothesis which you insist is the very point of these chapters? The sequence of God's redemptive plan outlined in Romans 8 BEGINS with a person already IN CHRIST.

D Paul introduces the chapter saying There is therefore NOW no condemnation for those who are IN CHRIST JESUS. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life IN CHRIST JESUS has set us free from the law of sin and death (Romans 8:1-2)
What follows is a description of what it is like to walk in the Spirit which explains why the term Spirit is mentioned in almost every verse.

1. The Explicit Textual Proof of Two Calls

You claim the distinction between an external invitation and an internal, sovereign call is an imported Calvinist philosophy.

To say God Himself issued two calls - one of which was real and the other of which has the APPEARANCE of saving but which is devoid of power rendering it INEFFECTUAL makes God deceitful and His offers bogus. Offering something that cannot do what purports to do makes God deceitful and dishonest.

Look at how Paul explicitly defines "the called" earlier in this exact letter:

• Romans 8:28-30: "...to them who are the called according to his purpose... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified

Paul constructs an unbreakable chain here. Every single person who receives this specific call is also justified and glorified.
Now compare that to the reality of the gospel being preached in the world: Does every single human being who hears a preacher get justified and glorified? No. Millions hear the outward voice of the preacher and reject it.

Romand 8:28-30 is the goal of the spiritual walk we commence once we are no longer alienated from the Spirit. The New Covenant is not just about receiving forgiveness. It is also about having His nature of love writtem on our hearts

Chapter 8 begins with the person being IN CHRIST which, according to Jesus and His beloved disciple John refers to covenant union with Him. Remaining in Him is not inevitable, it is a command we must continue to walk in.

John 15:4-5 tells us to: 4 Abide [remain, continue, stay] in Him, and [that if we do] He will also remain [abide, continue, stay] in US.
The word abide in this verse 4 is in the imperative mood which makes it a command. It is also in the present tense. which, tells less about when the action occurs as HOW it unfolds. Paul's use of the Greek present tense indicates that the required action is supposed to go on continually or repeatedly

His promise of abundant eternal life is balanced by the reality that we also have a part in our relationship with Him. Jesus let us know about this when warned us of what will happen if we do not abide in that place:
If yone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned.
(John 15:6)

Therefore, a text-critical workman has only two choices: either Paul is wrong and the chain in Romans 8 breaks, or the call that guarantees justification (the internal, effectual call) is entirely distinct from the outward sound of human preaching (the external call). This isn't eisegesis; it is basic systematic consistency.

So far, you have not shown yourself to be a text-critical workman. Your points are not grounded in the written text but have been imported from extra-Biblical sources like Calvin and Luther. Now you are so blinded by confirmation bias that you can no longer read the scriptures any other way.

 

[GWH]

It does not refute OSAS/P in TULIP whatsoever. You read the verses as prescriptive, I read it as descriptive.


In Romans 5 the all is the many, if it is all of humanity then all of humanity is saved. You cannot have it any other way, we did nothing to be in Adam and did nothing to get death, likewise we are in Christ born again not of our own 'will' or running.

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

1 Timothy 2:4 is a common proof text but fails to prove universal atonement due to the fact that if you keep reading, Paul talks about Jesus as the mediator between God and man and about Him being given as a ransom for all. If you take the all as everyone, then everyone is saved. You cannot say that it is only made available and some receive it and some do not, because Paul connects it to mediation, high priestly prayer. Let me ask you a question, for who does the High Priest mediate and pray for? For those whom the sacrifice is meant for, and if that is everyone then Jesus is interceding for people who go to hell. And we know Jesus' intercessory prayer never fails, which is why He says I pray not for the world.

If 1Cor. 15:2 was not enough to convert you, read these:

Matt. 10:22, “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
Rom. 11:22, “Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”
1Cor. 15:2, “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”
Gal. 5:4, “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”
Col. 1:22-23, “But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”
2Thes. 1:4-5, “Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring. All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.”
2Tim. 2:12, “If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;”
Heb. 3:6&14, “But Christ is faithful as a son over God’s house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast… We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.”
Heb. 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.” This passage indicates that apostasy may be viewed as total depravity or blasphemy against the HS (MT 12:31).
Heb. 10:26-36, “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God… So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.”
Jam. 1:12, “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”
2Pet. 1:10-11, “Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
2Pet. 2:20, “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.”
1John 2:24-25, “See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.”
Jude 21, “Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.”
Rev. 2:10, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”

 

[rogerg]

Commands are given by God to be obeyed.

Only a Calvinist would say commands cannot be obeyed and just expose our inability to obey.

According to scripture, the primary purpose of God’s commands in the Law was explicitly to expose our total inability to keep them. Paul writes in Romans 3:20, 'For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.' In Romans 5:20, he says, 'Now the law came in to increase the trespass.'
God gave the Ten Commandments knowing no human could obey them perfectly (Galatians 3:10). He gave them to mirror our spiritual bankruptcy, act as a guardian, and drive us to Christ (Galatians 3:24). If commands equal human ability, then you must believe you have the free will to obey Jesus's command to 'be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect' (Matthew 5:48). Do you keep that command perfectly? The command exposes your inability and forces you to rely entirely on God's mercy and grace.
Further, you fail to understand the New Covenant. Believers are not under the law or commandments for salvation (Romans 6:14). In the New Covenant, God doesn't just bark commands at us from stone tablets hoping we choose to obey and satisfy them perfectly. Instead, He promises: 'I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts' (Jeremiah 31:33) and 'I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes' (Ezekiel 36:27). The law that He writes within our hearts is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus not OC law.
Any obedience or repentance we offer is a result of God's New Covenant work on/within us, not from our unregenerate, independent free will. To depend upon one's keeping of law and commandments in an attempt to gain salvation, will only lead to God's wrath, not eternal life.
Slapping you own label on biblical theology doesn't change what the text plainly says.

 

[Gideon300]

Commands are given by God to be obeyed.

Only a Calvinist would say commands cannot be obeyed and just expose our inability to obey.

Let's split some hairs. You are right in one sense. God told Israel that the Law was not too hard for them. The problem is that mankind absolutely refuses to keep God's law. There is nothing in the heart of man that seeks God or wants to obey Him. Even the greatest blessings and most terrible curses were not enough to keep Israel on the right path.

What is the effective difference between "cannot" "and "absolutely will not, no matter the incentives"? None. God's elites sinned. Abraham lied about his wife to Pharaoh, Moses disobeyed God, Elijah ran from a woman, David committed adultery and murder and the wisest man who ever lived was an idolator. So tell me again how God's commandments can be obeyed by mortal man?

If God's commandments can be obeyed, Jesus died for nothing.​

 

[Gideon300]

I hate to repeat myself, but if we are Satan's slaves, then we are not slaves of sin. It can't be both.

Secondly, the bible doesn't teach that Satan obtained legal ownership of humanity.

Nit picking. The world lies under Satan's control. (1 John 5:19). Satan offered Lord Jesus all the kingdoms of the world. Kingdoms are made up of people. And those Kingdoms belonged to Satan. Adam handed his God given authority to Satan. Satan imagined that Lord Jesus could be tempted to do the same.

Satan is the sinner from the beginning. 1 John 3:8. So he sinned even before Adam was created. So yes, the lost are slaves to Satan and to sin.

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