I am not a preterist or any sort of tribber - pre mid or post - and I think the mark of the beast has already been fulfilled - maybe we should have a thread dedicated to the mark of the beast ? I suppose that has already been done though IDKYeah, you should take your own advice. But no worries. I already know you don't believe a lot of what the Bible simply says. I just want to know what other full preterists and pre-tribbers think.
The little horn of Daniel 7 and 8
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How do you see that the mark of the beast happen in 70AD or anytime past? If you would like to start a separate discussion on it, you could, but I don't know if it needs a dedicated thread.
LOL, okay Karen. If you say so!
You really cannot resist ad hominems, thankfully I do not need such low brow tactics, it seems you do, probably because your newspaper eschatology is failing daily.
But that chip (that's my guess) will prevent 'identity fraud', prove you have your vacinations, allow you to check out at the grocer, travel thru TSA and dispose of ALL the other identity measures (2-factor, face scan, etc...).
I heard someone say, "You have to worship Satan to take the mark". If and when they take the mark, who do they think they are worshipping? We either belong to God or to the world.
I heard someone say, "You have to worship Satan to take the mark". If and when they take the mark, who do they think they are worshipping? We either belong to God or to the world.
2 Corinthians 4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.Not 70 AD more like in the middle ages - I will give you a proper reply later- at the moment I have to go and do things in real life.How do you see that the mark of the beast happen in 70AD or anytime past? If you would like to start a separate discussion on it, you could, but I don't know if it needs a dedicated thread.
The reason why I ask full preterists and pre-tribbers is because they either think it already happened or they will avoid having to face it. I think that is dangerous to assume either way.
What does worshipping satan mean? I think you don't have to literally bow down in worship to him, although he probably will make you acknowledge worship to him in some way. Hitler had his people stretch out an arm and say "Heil Hitler!" If you don't, you would be regarded as a traitor and beheaded.
Anyway, I think it means not trusting God and His provision (can be miraculous), but rather trusting satan and his beast system to keep living and paying the bills.
Not 70 AD more like in the middle ages - I will give you a proper reply later- at the moment I have to go and do things in real life.
Okay. Looking forward to your explanation!
Not 70 AD more like in the middle ages - I will give you a proper reply later- at the moment I have to go and do things in real life.
That might be a tricky connection, since the scripture does not have anything directly to say about the middle ages.
There is no question the "mark of the beast" is a very interesting topic and there are no shortage of theories or interpretations out there..... And that would indeed be a nice thread to start and get those opinions.
But if you folks do not mind, it seems this particular thread was "alive" with many interesting thoughts and comments that were indeed focused on the chapter 2 "issues" which are critical to try and resolve before we can move on to chapter 7 and the identity of the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8.
I do not know if everyone has lost interest but, if you do not mind, can you folks tell me your thoughts on why this thread has lost momentum or interest? And just a reminder, I believe there are the two open issues - identity of the clay and whether folks have been given enough support / information on if the Stone represents the first coming of the Messiah.
Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to your response...either way.
I believe in dual fulfillment. So the prophecy has partially come to pass in 70AD, but will have it's complete fulfillment in the great tribulation. For me, since it has already been partially fulfilled, I'm concentrating my focus on its more complete fulfillment in the future.
What is your take about the mark of the beast? How did it happen in 70AD? And you don't believe it will have a complete fulfillment in the great tribulation? What if you live through the great tribulation?
I would have to go back and read, this is the type of thread where posts build upon each other and if one does not stay on top of it then it can be hard to meaningfully contribute.
It does seem people prefer to talk about those purposely sensationalized topics like the "mark of the beast" which is only a small part of the narrative concerning the ending of the Mosaic Age
If I can grab some time latter I will see if I can catch up on this thread.
As promisedOkay. Looking forward to your explanation!
And I know I will get attacked by all sides - futurists Preterist and whatever other ISTs they are lolRevelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
When Revelation 14:! and Revelation 22:4 says all those who believe in Jesus will have the Father's name written in their foreheads it is obviously symbolic - we do not go around with tattoos of the Fathers name or Jesus on our foreheads. Maybe we are all closet Christians worried that people will see
<----sarcasmSo when it comes to Revelation 13:16 "to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads" It is not a literal mark, it is symbolic. The forehead is the mind of the man, it is where we conceive our doctrine. The hand is the work we do, our actions.
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
There were many Papal decrees forbidding trading with those who would pledge allegiance to the Pope. For example a cannon of the 3rd Lateran Council, in 1178 AD, under Pope Alexander 111, commanded that no man should entertain or cherish them in his house or land or exercise traffic with them.
The same pope passed a law at the Synod of Tours, that no man should presume to receive or assist the heretics, no not so much as to exercise commerce with them in selling and buying.
Pope Martin V's Bull, at the Council of Constance (1414 to 1418), decreed that "they permit not the heretics to have houses in their districts, or carry on commerce, to enjoy the comforts of humanity with Christians."
By Christians he meant Roman Catholics by the way.
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
As for the number Six hundred threescore and six (666), LATEINOS (Λατεῖνος) is the Greek word for "the Latin One" and was first suggested by Irenaeus (130 - 202 AD) as the number of the beast.
L – λ – 30
a – α – 1
t – τ – 300
e – ε – 5
i – ι – 10
n – ν – 50
o – ο – 70
s – ς – 200
= 666
In Greek
LATEINOS - Greek for - The Latin One = 666
HE LATINA BASILWIA - Greek for - The Latin Kingdom = 666
ITALIKA EKKLESIA - Greek for - The Latin Church = 666
APOSTATES - Greek for - The Apostacy = 666
In Hebrew:
ROMIITH - The Roman Kingdom = 666
ROMITI - The Roman Man = 666
In Latin:
VICARIUS FILII DEI - Vicar of the Son of God = 666 (VICARIUS FILII DEI is one of the main titles of the Pope)
DUX CLERI - Captain of the Clergy = 666 (the signature of the Pope)
LUDOVICUS - The Vicar of the Court = 666
As promised
Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
When Revelation 14:! and Revelation 22:4 says all those who believe in Jesus will have the Father's name written in their foreheads it is obviously symbolic - we do not go around with tattoos of the Fathers name or Jesus on our foreheads. Maybe we are all closet Christians worried that people will see
So when it comes to Revelation 13:16 "to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads" It is not a literal mark, it is symbolic. The forehead is the mind of the man, it is where we conceive our doctrine. The hand is the work we do, our actions.
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
There were many Papal decrees forbidding trading with those who would pledge allegiance to the Pope. For example a cannon of the 3rd Lateran Council, in 1178 AD, under Pope Alexander 111, commanded that no man should entertain or cherish them in his house or land or exercise traffic with them.
The same pope passed a law at the Synod of Tours, that no man should presume to receive or assist the heretics, no not so much as to exercise commerce with them in selling and buying.
Pope Martin V's Bull, at the Council of Constance (1414 to 1418), decreed that "they permit not the heretics to have houses in their districts, or carry on commerce, to enjoy the comforts of humanity with Christians."
By Christians he meant Roman Catholics by the way.
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
As for the number Six hundred threescore and six (666), LATEINOS (Λατεῖνος) is the Greek word for "the Latin One" and was first suggested by Irenaeus (130 - 202 AD) as the number of the beast.
L – λ – 30
a – α – 1
t – τ – 300
e – ε – 5
i – ι – 10
n – ν – 50
o – ο – 70
s – ς – 200
= 666
In Greek
LATEINOS - Greek for - The Latin One = 666
HE LATINA BASILWIA - Greek for - The Latin Kingdom = 666
ITALIKA EKKLESIA - Greek for - The Latin Church = 666
APOSTATES - Greek for - The Apostacy = 666
In Hebrew:
ROMIITH - The Roman Kingdom = 666
ROMITI - The Roman Man = 666
In Latin:
VICARIUS FILII DEI - Vicar of the Son of God = 666 (VICARIUS FILII DEI is one of the main titles of the Pope)
DUX CLERI - Captain of the Clergy = 666 (the signature of the Pope)
LUDOVICUS - The Vicar of the Court = 666
What if such a system is physically imposed in your lifetime? Because you think it's symbol, you will take this mark on your right hand or forehead?
I want you to go past the Daniel 2 part because I am interested in the rest even though I disagree about the stone part - I do not have to agree fully to be interested
As promised
Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
When Revelation 14:! and Revelation 22:4 says all those who believe in Jesus will have the Father's name written in their foreheads it is obviously symbolic - we do not go around with tattoos of the Fathers name or Jesus on our foreheads. Maybe we are all closet Christians worried that people will see
So when it comes to Revelation 13:16 "to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads" It is not a literal mark, it is symbolic. The forehead is the mind of the man, it is where we conceive our doctrine. The hand is the work we do, our actions.
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
There were many Papal decrees forbidding trading with those who would pledge allegiance to the Pope. For example a cannon of the 3rd Lateran Council, in 1178 AD, under Pope Alexander 111, commanded that no man should entertain or cherish them in his house or land or exercise traffic with them.
The same pope passed a law at the Synod of Tours, that no man should presume to receive or assist the heretics, no not so much as to exercise commerce with them in selling and buying.
Pope Martin V's Bull, at the Council of Constance (1414 to 1418), decreed that "they permit not the heretics to have houses in their districts, or carry on commerce, to enjoy the comforts of humanity with Christians."
By Christians he meant Roman Catholics by the way.
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
As for the number Six hundred threescore and six (666), LATEINOS (Λατεῖνος) is the Greek word for "the Latin One" and was first suggested by Irenaeus (130 - 202 AD) as the number of the beast.
L – λ – 30
a – α – 1
t – τ – 300
e – ε – 5
i – ι – 10
n – ν – 50
o – ο – 70
s – ς – 200
= 666
In Greek
LATEINOS - Greek for - The Latin One = 666
HE LATINA BASILWIA - Greek for - The Latin Kingdom = 666
ITALIKA EKKLESIA - Greek for - The Latin Church = 666
APOSTATES - Greek for - The Apostacy = 666
In Hebrew:
ROMIITH - The Roman Kingdom = 666
ROMITI - The Roman Man = 666
In Latin:
VICARIUS FILII DEI - Vicar of the Son of God = 666 (VICARIUS FILII DEI is one of the main titles of the Pope)
DUX CLERI - Captain of the Clergy = 666 (the signature of the Pope)
LUDOVICUS - The Vicar of the Court = 666
Also, where are you getting LATEINOS from?
Wow - you replied so fast that no way on earth did you read it lol You might not agree but at least take the time to read itWhat if such a system is physically imposed in your lifetime? Because you think it's symbol, you will take this mark on your right hand or forehead?
It is the Greek for Latin One = or Latin Man - as I said in the post - was first suggested by Irenaeus (130 - 202 AD) as the number of the beast.Also, where are you getting LATEINOS from?
Wow - you replied so fast that no way on earth did you read it lol You might not agree but at least take the time to read it
I love to read. I read fast. But I personally don't think I read fast. It's just normal to me.
A mere created being injected that in. I want only what the Bible says, so I reject that one. I think God hasn't revealed that one yet, but will reveal it when it's time.