Contentment in singlehood

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So, uh, never make any plans for the future? Never take any action whatsoever? Sit back, relax, be passive, and wait for God to do everything for you? Sure, go ahead. See how that works out. Might come in real handy when you're unemployed and looking for work, haha. Or trying to lose weight. It's not a sign of "weak faith" to take action. Isn't it in acting that your faith is proven?
Where in the bible says that? Any verse for that?
What's marriage for? Well, one reason is pretty simple. In the Garden of Eden, Adam was lonely and needed a helper (Gen. 2:18) So God gave him one. Those are some basic purposes for marriage—fellowship, companionship, and mutual help and comfort. Of course, we're not in Paradise anymore, so nobody is guaranteed to acquire those things on Earth. Another reason is to produce godly offspring (Malachi 2:13-15) Marriage can sanctify (Ephesians 5) And, as 1 Corinthians 7:2, marriage can protect you from sexual immorality and give you a healthy outlet for experiencing sex. And marriage also provides a picture of the relationship between Jesus (the "bridegroom") and the church (the "bride")
Then you're using your spouse for a servant, breeder and sex slave.
I never said anything about "using another person." Paul talked about this very subject, actually. See 1 Corinthians 7:2-5.
Yes you did. "Marriage can protect you from sexual immorality and give you a healthy outlet for experiencing sex." Getting married jsut to experience sex, with no respect for God or your partner.
And now you're saying a married man having consensual sex with his wife is doing the same thing Harvey Weinstein did? Huh?!
Are you saying that marriage justifies what you intends to do what Harvey Weinstein did? Is that how "desire for marriage " is OK? Got it.
 
So, uh, never make any plans for the future? Never take any action whatsoever? Sit back, relax, be passive, and wait for God to do everything for you? Sure, go ahead. See how that works out. Might come in real handy when you're unemployed and looking for work, haha. Or trying to lose weight. It's not a sign of "weak faith" to take action. Isn't it in acting that your faith is proven?



Getting married requires giving up "everything" you have? What do you mean by "everything"? And no, I'm not suggesting "recklessly" jumping into marriage. You also questioned why someone should get married when they "don't even have an acquaintance whom you're personally familiar with." Well, if you're wondering, I am not suggesting that you marry a random stranger you just met. Hahaha! I agree. That's a bad idea. LOL!

You also mention "feeding your lust" and quote 1 Corinthians 7:2. Simply having strong sexual desires is not necessarily "lust." If that was true, this would mean that Paul in this chapter is encouraging Christians to indulge their lusts. Does that sound like something Paul would teach?

What's marriage for? Well, one reason is pretty simple. In the Garden of Eden, Adam was lonely and needed a helper (Gen. 2:18) So God gave him one. Those are some basic purposes for marriage—fellowship, companionship, and mutual help and comfort. Of course, we're not in Paradise anymore, so nobody is guaranteed to acquire those things on Earth. Another reason is to produce godly offspring (Malachi 2:13-15) Marriage can sanctify (Ephesians 5) And, as 1 Corinthians 7:2, marriage can protect you from sexual immorality and give you a healthy outlet for experiencing sex. And marriage also provides a picture of the relationship between Jesus (the "bridegroom") and the church (the "bride")

Of course, none of these things means that you have to get married if you don't want to. You can choose to stay single if you want. Nothing wrong with that.



I never said anything about "using another person." Paul talked about this very subject, actually. See 1 Corinthians 7:2-5.

And now you're saying a married man having consensual sex with his wife is doing the same thing Harvey Weinstein did? Huh?!
And just to remind you, again, "a healthy outlet for experiencing sex" is precisely the Pharisees' justification for frequent remarriages and divorces, to experience sex without committing adultery. How did the Lord respond to that?
 
So the people who exercise faith in the Bible do so by sitting back, doing nothing, and waiting for God to do everything for them? Is that what we should all do?

And just to remind you, again, "a healthy outlet for experiencing sex" is precisely the Pharisees' justification for frequent remarriages and divorces, to experience sex without committing adultery. How did the Lord respond to that?

Well, the Pharisees here try to trap Jesus. Jesus responds by saying that Moses permitted divorce, but didn't command it. Nowhere does Jesus here forbid people from marrying. Nor does Jesus forbid a married couple from having sex. The disciples then suggest that, if this is all so hard, then it's better to just not marry altogether and stay celibate. Jesus responds to that by saying that not every can accept this.

Then you're using your spouse for a servant, breeder and sex slave.

It's OK for a married couple to experience sex. Sex is for marriage, remember? The Bible does teach us mutual consent while having married sex. It does not command a married couple to always abstain from sex. The concept of a married couple agreeing amicably to have sex together, and enjoying the experience seems to be an entirely alien concept to you. I find that strange.

Getting married just to experience sex, with no respect for God or your partner.

Look, I understand that you, for some strange reason, believe that it's impossible for a loving married couple to have consensual sex together and enjoy it. Apparently, in your view, the only way for a married couple to have sex, is for the husband to coerce his wife into having sex with him. I find this bizarre, but clearly you won't be convinced. Oh, well. I can't really help you there. Apparently, nobody can. Yikes.

Are you saying that marriage justifies what you intends to do what Harvey Weinstein did? Is that how "desire for marriage " is OK? Got it
No. I'm not saying that. You seem to think that the only possible forms of sex are the bad ones. I find that very puzzling. Why do view everything in extremes?
 
So the people who exercise faith in the Bible do so by sitting back, doing nothing, and waiting for God to do everything for them? Is that what we should all do?
Nope, handle the little God trusts you with first, then God may trust you with much. God' won't give you more than what you can handle, including marriage.
Well, the Pharisees here try to trap Jesus. Jesus responds by saying that Moses permitted divorce, but didn't command it. Nowhere does Jesus here forbid people from marrying. Nor does Jesus forbid a married couple from having sex. The disciples then suggest that, if this is all so hard, then it's better to just not marry altogether and stay celibate. Jesus responds to that by saying that not every can accept this.
Yes, but at your own cost. "He who marries her who is divorced commits adultery." "Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” If your partner is not a virgin, these apply. Not my word, but the Lord's and Paul's.
It's OK for a married couple to experience sex. Sex is for marriage, remember? The Bible does teach us mutual consent while having married sex. It does not command a married couple to always abstain from sex. The concept of a married couple agreeing amicably to have sex together, and enjoying the experience seems to be an entirely alien concept to you. I find that strange.
It's not OK to marry just for sex. I'm not asking you about married couple, this is about singles. Strange or not I don't know, I just find you sharing the Pharisees' motive for marriage and calling it OK in every one of your post.
Look, I understand that you, for some strange reason, believe that it's impossible for a loving married couple to have consensual sex together and enjoy it. Apparently, in your view, the only way for a married couple to have sex, is for the husband to coerce his wife into having sex with him. I find this bizarre, but clearly you won't be convinced. Oh, well. I can't really help you there. Apparently, nobody can. Yikes.
Again this is about singles, not the married. Whatever their do it is none of my or your business, it's private, and you don't know whether it's consensual or whether they really enjoy it.
No. I'm not saying that. You seem to think that the only possible forms of sex are the bad ones. I find that very puzzling. Why do view everything in extremes?
How is it not extreme, using the body God made in his image to commit the filthy deeds of an animal?
 
Nope, handle the little God trusts you with first, then God may trust you with much. God' won't give you more than what you can handle, including marriage.
The phrase "God won't give you more than you can handle" is not in the Bible anywhere.

Yes, but at your own cost. "He who marries her who is divorced commits adultery." "Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” If your partner is not a virgin, these apply. Not my word, but the Lord's and Paul's.

I never told anyone to marry a divorced person. I never even told anyone to marry a non-virgin. Also, are you saying that every non-virgin is a prostitute?

It's not OK to marry just for sex. I'm not asking you about married couple, this is about singles. Strange or not I don't know, I just find you sharing the Pharisees' motive for marriage and calling it OK in every one of your post.

I never told anyone to marry just for sex. But the desire for sex does play a role in the desire for marriage. And Paul said it's better to marry than to "burn with passion."

What do you mean by the "Pharisees' motive for marriage"? In what part of the Bible do we see the Pharisees teaching people to marry only for sex?

Again this is about singles, not the married. Whatever their do it is none of my or your business, it's private, and you don't know whether it's consensual or whether they really enjoy it.

Neither do you. And yet you seem convinced that a healthy sex life between a married couple is impossible.

How is it not extreme, using the body God made in his image to commit the filthy deeds of an animal?

Now sexual activity is "the filthy deeds of an animal"? I think this might be the first time you've directly disparaged sex in this forum. So a married Christian couple that has sex is committing "the filthy deeds of an animal"?

Where, you exactly, does the Bible condemn sex between a married couple? Also, is it just a weird coincidence that the human body includes sex organs? That sex is pleasurable? That humans procreate through sex? You mention that God created man in his image. But the body's sex organs are just a weird mutation or something, that God had nothing to do with?
 
How is it not extreme, using the body God made in his image to commit the filthy deeds of an animal?

Some other thoughts on this:

In Genesis, we see God tell Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply." Why would God permit them to commit "the filthy deeds of an animal" in Paradise, when the world was perfect, and when there was no sin. In Genesis 4:1 we see that Adam and Eve had sex and bore their son Cain. Are they here condemned for committing the "filthy deeds of an animal." There's lots of faithful married couples who conceive children in the Bible.

If you want a complete list of prohibited sex acts, you can actually find it in Leviticus 18. Leviticus 20 also prohibits adultery. You know what's not prohibited in Leviticus 18 or 20? A married couple having sex. Gee, imagine that.

Ever read the Song of Solomon? This entire book is, apparently, a celebration of "the filthy deeds of an animal," as you put it.

in Proverbs 5:19, the husband is told, “May [your wife’s] breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be intoxicated with her love.” The Mosaic Law also provided a one-year exemption from military duty for a newlywed man to let him “stay at home and bring happiness to the wife” (Deut. 24:5)

In Hebrews 13:4 we're told that the “marriage bed”—a clear reference to sexual relations—has to be “kept pure.” That's weird. I see nothing in here about "the filthy deeds of an animal."
 
The phrase "God won't give you more than you can handle" is not in the Bible anywhere.
1 Corinthians 10:13 check it out
I never told anyone to marry a divorced person. I never even told anyone to marry a non-virgin. Also, are you saying that every non-virgin is a prostitute?
No, Paul said it. "Two become one flesh" is the consummation of a relationship. The act joins you with your partner, if you do it with another person, that makes you a harlot and a fornicator.

Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.”
I never told anyone to marry just for sex. But the desire for sex does play a role in the desire for marriage. And Paul said it's better to marry than to "burn with passion."

What do you mean by the "Pharisees' motive for marriage"? In what part of the Bible do we see the Pharisees teaching people to marry only for sex?
That's the historical and cultural context, Pharisees frequently married, divorced and remarried just for sex. Don't take my word for it, do your own research.
Neither do you. And yet you seem convinced that a healthy sex life between a married couple is impossible.
You can call anything "healthy" with impunity, even if it's not. It's just cheesy marketing buzzword.
Now sexual activity is "the filthy deeds of an animal"? I think this might be the first time you've directly disparaged sex in this forum. So a married Christian couple that has sex is committing "the filthy deeds of an animal"?

Where, you exactly, does the Bible condemn sex between a married couple? Also, is it just a weird coincidence that the human body includes sex organs? That sex is pleasurable? That humans procreate through sex? You mention that God created man in his image. But the body's sex organs are just a weird mutation or something, that God had nothing to do with?
Lord Jesus himself, Matt. 19:9. "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”" In biblical logic, sex joins you and your partner, married or not; if you go for another, even if you two have broken up or divorced, it'll still be adultery. Like everything else, God's original creation was perfect, humans ruined it. Lord Jesus acknowledged it, "but in the beginning it was not so."
 
Some other thoughts on this:

In Genesis, we see God tell Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply." Why would God permit them to commit "the filthy deeds of an animal" in Paradise, when the world was perfect, and when there was no sin. In Genesis 4:1 we see that Adam and Eve had sex and bore their son Cain. Are they here condemned for committing the "filthy deeds of an animal." There's lots of faithful married couples who conceive children in the Bible.

If you want a complete list of prohibited sex acts, you can actually find it in Leviticus 18. Leviticus 20 also prohibits adultery. You know what's not prohibited in Leviticus 18 or 20? A married couple having sex. Gee, imagine that.

Ever read the Song of Solomon? This entire book is, apparently, a celebration of "the filthy deeds of an animal," as you put it.

in Proverbs 5:19, the husband is told, “May [your wife’s] breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be intoxicated with her love.” The Mosaic Law also provided a one-year exemption from military duty for a newlywed man to let him “stay at home and bring happiness to the wife” (Deut. 24:5)

In Hebrews 13:4 we're told that the “marriage bed”—a clear reference to sexual relations—has to be “kept pure.” That's weird. I see nothing in here about "the filthy deeds of an animal."
Just because something's permitted or justified doesn't mean it's lauded and encouraged. Again, all things are lawful, but not all things are beneficial. Sex is a ritual for the consummation of marriage, and a necessary evil for human reproduction. In the NT, particularly Matthew, marriage and babymaking are signs of negligence and sleeping on the job, of indulgence in worldly pleasure and lacking discernment. You can argue that it's only for the end time, but we ARE living in the end time, even atheists and other non Christians are aware of it. If you're still thoroughly convinced that it's still normal time, everything's fine and dandy, go ahead.

Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! (Matt. 24:19)
For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Matt. 24:38-39)
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels [of God in heaven. (Matt. 22:30)
 
Where, you exactly, does the Bible condemn sex between a married couple? Also, is it just a weird coincidence that the human body includes sex organs? That sex is pleasurable? That humans procreate through sex? You mention that God created man in his image. But the body's sex organs are just a weird mutation or something, that God had nothing to do with?
Some other thoughts on this:

What you call "sex organs" are primarily designed for peeing, to discharge the waste water out of your body. Is piss filthy or not? Do I really have to spell it out for you? Yet somehow instead of peeing organ, you repeatedly refer to it as "sex organ", I wonder why? Isn't that a sign of human depravity and your filthy mind?
 
1 Corinthians 10:13 check it out

No, Paul said it. "Two become one flesh" is the consummation of a relationship. The act joins you with your partner, if you do it with another person, that makes you a harlot and a fornicator.

Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.”

That's the historical and cultural context, Pharisees frequently married, divorced and remarried just for sex. Don't take my word for it, do your own research.

You can call anything "healthy" with impunity, even if it's not. It's just cheesy marketing buzzword.

Lord Jesus himself, Matt. 19:9. "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”" In biblical logic, sex joins you and your partner, married or not; if you go for another, even if you two have broken up or divorced, it'll still be adultery. Like everything else, God's original creation was perfect, humans ruined it. Lord Jesus acknowledged it, "but in the beginning it was not so."

1 Corinthians 10:13 is talking about temptation. It is not talking about general life situations like marriage, or hefty responsibilities you take up. The Greek word used here for “temptation” can actually be used to mean both suffering and sin. If you look at the context of the whole passage here, we find that Paul is specifically addressing sin (not suffering). Verse 6 addresses those who “desire evil.” In verse 7 Paul addresses “idolaters,” showing the context of this passage is sin. Verse 8 identifies this idolatry specifically as “sexual immorality.” The next verses continue to address sin as we read of “put[ting] Christ to the test” in verse 9 and grumbling in verse 10. Verse 12 gives the exhortation “therefore, let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall,” which continues the focus of the passage on addressing sin. Verse 13 continues to address sin within the context of these verses. The plain reading of this text makes it reasonable to conclude that Paul chose to use the word “temptation” to address temptation to sin, not trials and suffering.

What you call "sex organs" are primarily designed for peeing, to discharge the waste water out of your body. Is piss filthy or not? Do I really have to spell it out for you? Yet somehow instead of peeing organ, you repeatedly refer to it as "sex organ", I wonder why? Isn't that a sign of human depravity and your filthy mind?

Um......wait. Hold on for a second. I don't mean to sound too crude here, if it comes off that way. Do you know what else the sex organs are capable of doing? When a man and a woman, er, do the deed, the female reproductive system produces eggs, while the male reproductive system produces sperm. When sperm meets and joins with an egg, that's called "fertilization" or "conception." This joined cell now holds all the genetic instructions to build another person. A baby forms in the womb, and, eventually, after nine months, the muscles of the uterus squeeze and push to remove the baby from the mother's body.

Clearly this is a rather intricate system. Did God create all these things when he created the human body? Or are they all there via weird coincidence? Apparently, God created very intricate and complex sex organs, but, from the very beginning, apparently, God viewed sex as the "filthy deeds of an animal." Huh? So whenever a married Christian couple has sex and produces children, apparently, God must be frowning in stern disapproval?

And if sex between a married couple is so bad, why didn't the Old Testament law forbid it? Why didn't Jesus forbid it? Why didn't Paul forbid it? Sex outside of marriage is one thing, That's forbidden. Sex within marriage is quite another. This is permitted. I didn't know this could be all that complicated. However, you yourself don't seem to have any interest in sex or marriage, and seem to view it all as a crude, pointless, dirty distraction. If so, fine, but I don't see why that makes it OK to look down your nose at people who practice marital sex. Do you feel superior to those people? Do you think your own choice and practice of celibacy makes you better than them? Does that play a role in your negative and judgmental attitudes toward sex and marriage?

You seem to have trouble making distinctions between "sex" and "sexual immorality." In your point of view, it's all bad.

"Two become one flesh" is the consummation of a relationship. The act joins you with your partner, if you do it with another person, that makes you a harlot and a fornicator.

If you're unmarried, yes. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

You can call anything "healthy" with impunity, even if it's not. It's just cheesy marketing buzzword.

So you're saying a married couple sex is unhealthy? How?

Lord Jesus himself, Matt. 19:9. "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”" In biblical logic, sex joins you and your partner, married or not; if you go for another, even if you two have broken up or divorced, it'll still be adultery. Like everything else, God's original creation was perfect, humans ruined it. Lord Jesus acknowledged it, "but in the beginning it was not so."

That didn't answer my question at all. I asked you why you believe sex between a married couple is a bad thing. Not why divorce is a bad thing.

Just because something's permitted or justified doesn't mean it's lauded and encouraged. Again, all things are lawful, but not all things are beneficial.

You can say that about a lot of things. Why not show me an actual, specific Bible verse that condemns or discourages sex between a married couple?

Sex is a ritual for the consummation of marriage, and a necessary evil for human reproduction.

Where does the Bible call sex a "necessary evil"? If you, personally, don't like sex and don't want to have sex, that's fine. But your personal preference doesn't make it "evil" for other married couples to have sex together.

In the NT, particularly Matthew, marriage and babymaking are signs of negligence and sleeping on the job, of indulgence in worldly pleasure and lacking discernment.

What? Like where? Where did Jesus or Paul teach that? Also, in Matthew 24, Jesus is teaching about the End Times. He even specifically refers to the "abomination of desolation" in the Temple. We don't know anything about when all these events will happen. It's entirely possible they won't happen for decades or centuries. We don't know.

Also, interestingly, enough, according to the Book of Daniel, when the abomination happens, it'll happen after the Antichrist "make a firm covenant with many." The Antichrist will also make a treaty with Israel that will have the term of "one week," (apparently meaning seven years), and midway through that period he'll put an end to offerings at the temple and somehow desecrate it. So, if there's biblically literate people around in that day that are paying attention, well, it won't exactly come with "no warning." It will if you're an unbeliever, though.
 
1 Corinthians 10:13 is talking about temptation. It is not talking about general life situations like marriage, or hefty responsibilities you take up. The Greek word used here for “temptation” can actually be used to mean both suffering and sin. If you look at the context of the whole passage here, we find that Paul is specifically addressing sin (not suffering). Verse 6 addresses those who “desire evil.” In verse 7 Paul addresses “idolaters,” showing the context of this passage is sin. Verse 8 identifies this idolatry specifically as “sexual immorality.” The next verses continue to address sin as we read of “put[ting] Christ to the test” in verse 9 and grumbling in verse 10. Verse 12 gives the exhortation “therefore, let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall,” which continues the focus of the passage on addressing sin. Verse 13 continues to address sin within the context of these verses. The plain reading of this text makes it reasonable to conclude that Paul chose to use the word “temptation” to address temptation to sin, not trials and suffering.
The word for temptation can actually be used to mean both temptation and TRIAL, a test of faith and resolve, that's it's in the Lord's prayer for God to "not lead us into temptation."
Um......wait. Hold on for a second. I don't mean to sound too crude here, if it comes off that way. Do you know what else the sex organs are capable of doing? When a man and a woman, er, do the deed, the female reproductive system produces eggs, while the male reproductive system produces sperm. When sperm meets and joins with an egg, that's called "fertilization" or "conception." This joined cell now holds all the genetic instructions to build another person. A baby forms in the womb, and, eventually, after nine months, the muscles of the uterus squeeze and push to remove the baby from the mother's body.
I don't mean to sound too crude either, but what I stated is a fact. You use your so called "sex organ" for peeing everyday, not for sex everyday. I myself will never use it for sex till my last breath. All your argument based upon the narrative of framing it as a "sex organ" only shows your depravity.
Clearly this is a rather intricate system. Did God create all these things when he created the human body? Or are they all there via weird coincidence? Apparently, God created very intricate and complex sex organs, but, from the very beginning, apparently, God viewed sex as the "filthy deeds of an animal." Huh? So whenever a married Christian couple has sex and produces children, apparently, God must be frowning in stern disapproval?

And if sex between a married couple is so bad, why didn't the Old Testament law forbid it? Why didn't Jesus forbid it? Why didn't Paul forbid it? Sex outside of marriage is one thing, That's forbidden. Sex within marriage is quite another. This is permitted. I didn't know this could be all that complicated. However, you yourself don't seem to have any interest in sex or marriage, and seem to view it all as a crude, pointless, dirty distraction. If so, fine, but I don't see why that makes it OK to look down your nose at people who practice marital sex. Do you feel superior to those people? Do you think your own choice and practice of celibacy makes you better than them? Does that play a role in your negative and judgmental attitudes toward sex and marriage?

You seem to have trouble making distinctions between "sex" and "sexual immorality." In your point of view, it's all bad.
Once again, what other people do in their bedroom is a private matter, it's none of your or my or the government's or the pastor's business, you're the one being nosy. In whatever way they practice it or don't practice it at all, if they were truly joined by God, then let God be the witness of the consummation of their marriage, let God approve or disapprove, for He's the one who looks down upon them.

My negative and judgmental remark is toward your defense of your relentless and repetitive justification for the DESIRE, as though marriage is only for sex, you get married so you can have sex. That is sexual immorality. And in that case, again, better not to marry, out of respect for your partner. Eve was not made as Adam's sex slave.
If you're unmarried, yes. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?


So you're saying a married couple sex is unhealthy? How?


That didn't answer my question at all. I asked you why you believe sex between a married couple is a bad thing. Not why divorce is a bad thing.


You can say that about a lot of things. Why not show me an actual, specific Bible verse that condemns or discourages sex between a married couple?
Why is it so hard for you to have some respect for the privacy and each married couple's own volition? Why is it bad? Well, the husband's exhausted, the wife has cramps, either or both are not in the mood, kid or other matter interferes, why is this so hard for you to grasp that?
Where does the Bible call sex a "necessary evil"? If you, personally, don't like sex and don't want to have sex, that's fine. But your personal preference doesn't make it "evil" for other married couples to have sex together.
Sex leads to painful childbirth, even "birth pang" before birth, which throughout history was not only suffering but dangerous, leading to either death of the mother or children. There was such a case in Solomon's ruling, one of the two women's kid was dead. "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." I don't wanna afflict such suffering to any of my fellow sisters in Christ, but you seem to have no problem with that.
What? Like where? Where did Jesus or Paul teach that? Also, in Matthew 24, Jesus is teaching about the End Times. He even specifically refers to the "abomination of desolation" in the Temple. We don't know anything about when all these events will happen. It's entirely possible they won't happen for decades or centuries. We don't know.

Also, interestingly, enough, according to the Book of Daniel, when the abomination happens, it'll happen after the Antichrist "make a firm covenant with many." The Antichrist will also make a treaty with Israel that will have the term of "one week," (apparently meaning seven years), and midway through that period he'll put an end to offerings at the temple and somehow desecrate it. So, if there's biblically literate people around in that day that are paying attention, well, it won't exactly come with "no warning." It will if you're an unbeliever, though.
You're the one being biblically illiterate. Matthew 24, up to 24:28, is not about the end of the world, but the end of the 2nd temple. Did you miss the key verse in Matt 24:9? "See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet." Therefore none of these disasters was a valid sign of the end. The "abomination of desolation" was already fulfilled in AD70, from there on, "Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." (Lk. 21:24) THis is the key verse absent in Matthew and Mark. There's none of those political thriller you described, no third temple or such deal with the devil, you're just brainwashed by the dispensationalists.

The biblically valid signs are the burgeoning of the fig tree (Matt. 24:33) and the witnessing of the gospel in every nation on earth (Matt. 24:14), as the fulfillment of the times of the Gentiles. Anything else is merely birth pangs.
 
The word for temptation can actually be used to mean both temptation and TRIAL, a test of faith and resolve, that's it's in the Lord's prayer for God to "not lead us into temptation."

I don't mean to sound too crude either, but what I stated is a fact. You use your so called "sex organ" for peeing everyday, not for sex everyday. I myself will never use it for sex till my last breath. All your argument based upon the narrative of framing it as a "sex organ" only shows your depravity.

Once again, what other people do in their bedroom is a private matter, it's none of your or my or the government's or the pastor's business, you're the one being nosy. In whatever way they practice it or don't practice it at all, if they were truly joined by God, then let God be the witness of the consummation of their marriage, let God approve or disapprove, for He's the one who looks down upon them.

My negative and judgmental remark is toward your defense of your relentless and repetitive justification for the DESIRE, as though marriage is only for sex, you get married so you can have sex. That is sexual immorality. And in that case, again, better not to marry, out of respect for your partner. Eve was not made as Adam's sex slave.

Why is it so hard for you to have some respect for the privacy and each married couple's own volition? Why is it bad? Well, the husband's exhausted, the wife has cramps, either or both are not in the mood, kid or other matter interferes, why is this so hard for you to grasp that?

Sex leads to painful childbirth, even "birth pang" before birth, which throughout history was not only suffering but dangerous, leading to either death of the mother or children. There was such a case in Solomon's ruling, one of the two women's kid was dead. "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." I don't wanna afflict such suffering to any of my fellow sisters in Christ, but you seem to have no problem with that.
So you're 100% convinced that it's all just a weird coincidence that the "peeing" organ also plays a role in th reproductive process? It wasn't designed that way? I'm sorry, but that is genuinely hilarious. You're the first person I've encountered who believes that.

You use your so called "sex organ" for peeing everyday, not for sex everyday.

Yes, men use their sex organ to pee more often than they use it to have sex. Therefore, you should never use it for sex? Ever? Under no circumstances? Even if you're a Christian married couple? That is bizarre.

I myself will never use it for sex till my last breath.
And therefore, nobody else should, either? Not even Christian married couples? I don't know why you think your personal convictions should be treated as Gospel by every single Christian in the world. But if you want to preach them that way, well, knock yourself out. I wonder how receptive people will be.

In whatever way they practice it or don't practice it at all, if they were truly joined by God, then let God be the witness of the consummation of their marriage, let God approve or disapprove, for He's the one who looks down upon them.
Oh, so God is the one who judges this. Why are you judging it, then? Do you know what God knows?

And I never said that people should get married just to have sex. But sexual desires do play a role in the desire to marry. And that's fine. Paul says this in 1 Corinthians
7.

Why is it bad? Well, the husband's exhausted, the wife has cramps, either or both are not in the mood, kid or other matter interferes, why is this so hard for you to grasp that?

Oh, so this happens every time a husband and wife have sex, or try to have sex. And therefore, a married couple should never have sex? Is that what you're saying?
 
You're the one being biblically illiterate. Matthew 24, up to 24:28, is not about the end of the world, but the end of the 2nd temple. Did you miss the key verse in Matt 24:9? "See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet." Therefore none of these disasters was a valid sign of the end. The "abomination of desolation" was already fulfilled in AD70, from there on, "Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." (Lk. 21:24) THis is the key verse absent in Matthew and Mark. There's none of those political thriller you described, no third temple or such deal with the devil, you're just brainwashed by the dispensationalists.

The biblically valid signs are the burgeoning of the fig tree (Matt. 24:33) and the witnessing of the gospel in every nation on earth (Matt. 24:14), as the fulfillment of the times of the Gentiles. Anything else is merely birth pangs.
Well, Jesus answers two different questions from His disciples, when the temple will fall, and what the sign of His return and the end of the world will be.

Jesus says the Temple will be destroyed. They then ask Jesus about the end of the age, and then Jesus talks about His final return, stating that nobody knows the "day or the hour."

So the fall of Jerusalem can be seen as a picture or warning of the final judgement we see in the End Times.
 
So you're 100% convinced that it's all just a weird coincidence that the "peeing" organ also plays a role in th reproductive process? It wasn't designed that way? I'm sorry, but that is genuinely hilarious. You're the first person I've encountered who believes that.
What's hilarious is your failure to acknowledge this simple fact. Even a toddler first calls his sex organ "pee pee'. Designed that way or not, you'll know when you go to the loo.
Yes, men use their sex organ to pee more often than they use it to have sex. Therefore, you should never use it for sex? Ever? Under no circumstances? Even if you're a Christian married couple? That is bizarre.
What's bizarre is your incessant obsession with it. I only use it for waste water discharge.
And therefore, nobody else should, either? Not even Christian married couples? I don't know why you think your personal convictions should be treated as Gospel by every single Christian in the world. But if you want to preach them that way, well, knock yourself out. I wonder how receptive people will be.
I never speak for "all“, and I never pretend to, only you think it that "all or nothing" dichotomy. My personal conviction is that God commands my destiny, no REC from me - no resentment, no excuse, no complaint. What should be treated as gospel is salvation from sin - including the sin of lust.
Oh, so God is the one who judges this. Why are you judging it, then? Do you know what God knows?

And I never said that people should get married just to have sex. But sexual desires do play a role in the desire to marry. And that's fine. Paul says this in 1 Corinthians
7.
I don't judge any of them, I only denounce your lame whitewashing of such desire. Yes, "get married just to have sex" is exactly your misinterpretation of 1 Cor. 7:2-3.
Oh, so this happens every time a husband and wife have sex, or try to have sex. And therefore, a married couple should never have sex? Is that what you're saying?
So it is really hard for you to grasp that, you're stuck with your all or nothing false dichotomy.
 
Well, Jesus answers two different questions from His disciples, when the temple will fall, and what the sign of His return and the end of the world will be.

Jesus says the Temple will be destroyed. They then ask Jesus about the end of the age, and then Jesus talks about His final return, stating that nobody knows the "day or the hour."

So the fall of Jerusalem can be seen as a picture or warning of the final judgement we see in the End Times.
That's another topic for another day. Just to sum up, it was prophesied in Dan. 9:26 that Jerusalem will be left desolate "till the END," therefore 'abomination of desolation" is not a one-time event, but a continuous period, which is the "times of the Gentiles", otherwise known as the "church age", during which the temple site will always be left desolate, 70AD was just the beginning, see Lk. 21:20-24. This bit of information is absent in Matthew and Mark, the 7 year narrative is erroneous because it fails to take this bit into consideration.

When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."
 
What's hilarious is your failure to acknowledge this simple fact. Even a toddler first calls his sex organ "pee pee'. Designed that way or not, you'll know when you go to the loo.

Huh? I did acknowledge that you can use it to pee. LOL. That's not all it can be used for. Not to be crude, but urine is not the only thing that your organ produces.

What's bizarre is your incessant obsession with it. I only use it for waste water discharge.

I'm not "obsessed" with it. I merely pointed out an additional biological function it has. But you don't have to use it for that. I never said you had to. If you want to stay celibate, that's fine. I never said anyone was required to have sex.

I never speak for "all“, and I never pretend to, only you think it that "all or nothing" dichotomy. My personal conviction is that God commands my destiny, no REC from me - no resentment, no excuse, no complaint. What should be treated as gospel is salvation from sin - including the sin of lust.

I agree.

I don't judge any of them, I only denounce your lame whitewashing of such desire. Yes, "get married just to have sex" is exactly your misinterpretation of 1 Cor. 7:2-3.

I never said that anyone should get married just to have sex. But sexual desires do play a role in the desire to get married. That's fine. Paul acknowledged that in 1 Corinthians 7. I'm not saying it's the only reasons someone should get married. I'm sure you would consider that a bad idea. I would, too.
 
About marriage intimacy, I heard a pastor said, one can find all the love a marriage brings in surroundings, extended life circle, except for the husband wife intimacy.

I kind of agree.

That's how we get contentment in single life.

Building up pure and holy friendship with what God already giving us today.

Lord willing, He will give us marriage. But knowing that marriage life not necessarily better than single life.

All have privilege as well as responsibilities.
 
About marriage intimacy, I heard a pastor said, one can find all the love a marriage brings in surroundings, extended life circle, except for the husband wife intimacy.

I kind of agree.

That's how we get contentment in single life.

Building up pure and holy friendship with what God already giving us today.

Lord willing, He will give us marriage. But knowing that marriage life not necessarily better than single life.

All have privilege as well as responsibilities.

There's different kinds of love. I can experience the love of friends and family, for instance. I can experience God's love. But, if you want to experience romantic love, well, your friends and family don't provide that. Nor does God.

In English, we have only one word for love that we can over-use, haha.
 
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There's different kinds of love. I can experience the love of friends and family, for instance. I can experience God's love. But, if you want to experience romantic love, well, your friends and family don't provide that. Nor does God.

In English, we have only one word for love that we can over-use, haha.
I totally agree. Yes romantic love is intimate between dating couples and marriage 💑.

I fully support if people want to, search in full force with God's guidance. I am carefully following God's leading too.

But I respect some not searching too.
 
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I totally agree. Yes romantic love is intimate between dating couples and marriage 💑.

I fully support if people want to, search in full force with God's guidance. I am carefully following God's leading too.

But I respect some not searching too.

Yeah, for sure.
 
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