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Yet scripture says there is ONE baptism. (eph 4: 5) Not two. So water and HS baptism both can't save us. Why would you want a baptism of man to save you when baptism by God is so much better?
Mark 16 is not found in most ancient texts. Not only this. but vs 16 on does not even make sense. We can prove this by the fact it says ALL who come to god can drink poison and not die, and get bit by poisonous snakes and not die. Are you willing top test this theory? If mark 16 : 16 on is true you can do this and not die. or else scripture is a lie.
Not to mention., in another passage, Jesus just says believe, why does he leave out the word baptise in that passage, and add in in mark? Yet again, if yuo would study the word, instead of listening to men you would know this.
All this proves is that AFTER he believed. he was baptised in water. It does not prove his water baptism saved him. What about acts 10 where peter witnessed the baptism of the HS after they believed his word. THEN he commanded them to be baptised in water? You assume water and spirit baptism are simulatnious. you have nothing to support your assumption!
Then I guess scripture lied.
Jesus told peter he was clean by the words spoken.
Jesus tells the disciples and many others that it is the spirit who gives life. the words he spoke were spirit and life.
Paul tells us after we hear the word of truth and believe we are sealed by the spirit untilt he day of redemption.
Paul tells us whoever calls on the name of the lord will be saved
Paul also tells us we are saved in hope. hope can not be seen, because if it is seen it is not hope. Baptism in water can be seen. Baptism in the spirit can not be seen heard or felt.
Keep having faith in things seen, and in works. You will be saddened when you stand in front of Christ praising all your works. And jesus says depart, for I never knew you. Because you mixed in works to his gospel of grace, and did nbot trust in him and HIS promises. Based on faith in him.
Mark 16 is not found in most ancient texts. Not only this. but vs 16 on does not even make sense. We can prove this by the fact it says ALL who come to god can drink poison and not die, and get bit by poisonous snakes and not die. Are you willing top test this theory? If mark 16 : 16 on is true you can do this and not die. or else scripture is a lie.
Not to mention., in another passage, Jesus just says believe, why does he leave out the word baptise in that passage, and add in in mark? Yet again, if yuo would study the word, instead of listening to men you would know this.
All this proves is that AFTER he believed. he was baptised in water. It does not prove his water baptism saved him. What about acts 10 where peter witnessed the baptism of the HS after they believed his word. THEN he commanded them to be baptised in water? You assume water and spirit baptism are simulatnious. you have nothing to support your assumption!
Then I guess scripture lied.
Jesus told peter he was clean by the words spoken.
Jesus tells the disciples and many others that it is the spirit who gives life. the words he spoke were spirit and life.
Paul tells us after we hear the word of truth and believe we are sealed by the spirit untilt he day of redemption.
Paul tells us whoever calls on the name of the lord will be saved
Paul also tells us we are saved in hope. hope can not be seen, because if it is seen it is not hope. Baptism in water can be seen. Baptism in the spirit can not be seen heard or felt.
Keep having faith in things seen, and in works. You will be saddened when you stand in front of Christ praising all your works. And jesus says depart, for I never knew you. Because you mixed in works to his gospel of grace, and did nbot trust in him and HIS promises. Based on faith in him.
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Nope. All you did was probe that after the eunich was made a disciple by believing in Christ. he followed the first command given to new converts. Be baptized.
Pagan believe4d water made them holy and clean. THE NT church did not. they understood it was spirit baptism which made them clean. Paul spoke of this often.
either way You failed to prove he was not baptized in the spirit already, before he was baptized in water.
Paul did not teach a eucharist. Paul taught a dinner which was followed by breaking of bread and wine. No priest gave it. Thats yo9ur churches concoction done by twisting John 6. Where jesus talks about the food which endures forever. Your food does not even endure forever. You keep eating it, and your still not gauranteed you will not die. You continue to hunger and thirst. Yet Jesus said you would never hunger and thirst.
I never hunger and thirst for eternal life. I have it. I do not need to keep looking for how to get it, and be fed hoping I might get it because I am hungry.
Was it not you who condemned someone for picking and chosing verses and not looking at Context? Thats exactly what your doing with John 6!
Pagan believe4d water made them holy and clean. THE NT church did not. they understood it was spirit baptism which made them clean. Paul spoke of this often.
either way You failed to prove he was not baptized in the spirit already, before he was baptized in water.
Paul did not teach a eucharist. Paul taught a dinner which was followed by breaking of bread and wine. No priest gave it. Thats yo9ur churches concoction done by twisting John 6. Where jesus talks about the food which endures forever. Your food does not even endure forever. You keep eating it, and your still not gauranteed you will not die. You continue to hunger and thirst. Yet Jesus said you would never hunger and thirst.
I never hunger and thirst for eternal life. I have it. I do not need to keep looking for how to get it, and be fed hoping I might get it because I am hungry.
Was it not you who condemned someone for picking and chosing verses and not looking at Context? Thats exactly what your doing with John 6!
The "Queen of Heaven" God pronounced severe judgment on the people of Judah and Jerusalem because they worshiped "the queen of heaven" (Jer7:17-20; 44:15-19). Who or what was the queen of heaven, and how did the people of Israel get involved in worship of her?
As early as the twenty-fifth century B.C., people of Ur of the Chaldees in Sumeria worshiped a mother-goddess named Ishtar. Around the same time the Minoans of Crete had a mother-goddess portrayed with "her divine child Velchanos" in her arms. Later, the people of Cyprus revered a goddess who appears to have been patterned after the Sumerian Ishtar and later adopted by the Greeks as Aphrodite, or Astarte.
The Babylonians, who conquered Sumeria around the twenty-second century B.C., related their religious beliefs to the heavenly bodies. They regarded the planets as gods and goddesses and equated the planet Venus with the Sumerian mother-goddess Ishtar.
The Babylonians worshiped Ishtar as "The Virgin", "The Holy Virgin," "The Virgin Mother," "Goddess of Goddesses," and "Queen of Heaven and Earth." They exclaimed, "Ishtar is Great! Ishtar is Queen! My Lady is exalted, my Lady is Queen...There is none like unto her."
They called her "Shining light of heaven, light of the world, enlightener of all the places where men dwell, who gatherest together the hosts of the nations"; and they claimed, "Where thou glancest, the dead come to life, and the sick rise and walk; the mind of the diseased is healed when it looks upon thy face."
In Babylonian mythology Ishtar wore a crown and was related to Tammuz, who sometimes was portrayed as her son and other times as her lover.
It appears that the Sumerian-Babylonian Ishtar was the counterpart of the Egyptian Isis and the model for the Grecian Aphrodite, Roman Venus, Assyrian Nina, Phrygian and Roman Cybele, Phoenician Astarte, and Astarte of Syria. In essence they were the same mother-goddess.
The Egyptians called Isis "the Great Mother" and "the Mother of God." Isis worship spread to Italy by the second century and then throughout the entire Roman Empire. There the goddess was portrayed with her "divine child Horus" in her arms and widely acclaimed as "Queen of Heaven" and "Mother of God."
The people of Phoenicia worshiped Baal. Baalism included the worship of Molech with fiery sacrifices of children and the worship of Astarte, the Phoenician Ishtar Queen of Heaven.
When the Phoenician princess Jezebel became the wife of King Ahab of the northern Kingdom of Israel, she influenced him to fully establish Baal worship in his realm (1Ki16:29-33; 21:25-26) This move entangled the people of Israel in Queen-of-Heaven worship. As a result, God judged them with the Assyrian Captivity (2Ki17:5-7,16-18)
Athaliah, daughter of Ahab and Jezebel, became the wife of King Jehoram of the Kingdom of Judah. She influenced him to do what her father had done--fully establish Baal worship in his kingdom (2Ki8:16-18). Her son, Ahaziah, the next king of Judah, did the same (2Ki8:25-27), as did King Manasseh (2Ki21:1-6). These actions would have entangled the people of Judah in Queen-of-Heaven worship. Thus God judged them with the Babylonian Captivity (2Ki21;12-14)
VW: Queen of Heaven
This all correlates with witchcraft and child sacrifice and
the massacre of innocence..
Massacre of Innocence — The Champion
As early as the twenty-fifth century B.C., people of Ur of the Chaldees in Sumeria worshiped a mother-goddess named Ishtar. Around the same time the Minoans of Crete had a mother-goddess portrayed with "her divine child Velchanos" in her arms. Later, the people of Cyprus revered a goddess who appears to have been patterned after the Sumerian Ishtar and later adopted by the Greeks as Aphrodite, or Astarte.
The Babylonians, who conquered Sumeria around the twenty-second century B.C., related their religious beliefs to the heavenly bodies. They regarded the planets as gods and goddesses and equated the planet Venus with the Sumerian mother-goddess Ishtar.
The Babylonians worshiped Ishtar as "The Virgin", "The Holy Virgin," "The Virgin Mother," "Goddess of Goddesses," and "Queen of Heaven and Earth." They exclaimed, "Ishtar is Great! Ishtar is Queen! My Lady is exalted, my Lady is Queen...There is none like unto her."
They called her "Shining light of heaven, light of the world, enlightener of all the places where men dwell, who gatherest together the hosts of the nations"; and they claimed, "Where thou glancest, the dead come to life, and the sick rise and walk; the mind of the diseased is healed when it looks upon thy face."
In Babylonian mythology Ishtar wore a crown and was related to Tammuz, who sometimes was portrayed as her son and other times as her lover.
It appears that the Sumerian-Babylonian Ishtar was the counterpart of the Egyptian Isis and the model for the Grecian Aphrodite, Roman Venus, Assyrian Nina, Phrygian and Roman Cybele, Phoenician Astarte, and Astarte of Syria. In essence they were the same mother-goddess.
The Egyptians called Isis "the Great Mother" and "the Mother of God." Isis worship spread to Italy by the second century and then throughout the entire Roman Empire. There the goddess was portrayed with her "divine child Horus" in her arms and widely acclaimed as "Queen of Heaven" and "Mother of God."
The people of Phoenicia worshiped Baal. Baalism included the worship of Molech with fiery sacrifices of children and the worship of Astarte, the Phoenician Ishtar Queen of Heaven.
When the Phoenician princess Jezebel became the wife of King Ahab of the northern Kingdom of Israel, she influenced him to fully establish Baal worship in his realm (1Ki16:29-33; 21:25-26) This move entangled the people of Israel in Queen-of-Heaven worship. As a result, God judged them with the Assyrian Captivity (2Ki17:5-7,16-18)
Athaliah, daughter of Ahab and Jezebel, became the wife of King Jehoram of the Kingdom of Judah. She influenced him to do what her father had done--fully establish Baal worship in his kingdom (2Ki8:16-18). Her son, Ahaziah, the next king of Judah, did the same (2Ki8:25-27), as did King Manasseh (2Ki21:1-6). These actions would have entangled the people of Judah in Queen-of-Heaven worship. Thus God judged them with the Babylonian Captivity (2Ki21;12-14)
Jezebel, queen of Israel and priestess of Baal
VW: Queen of Heaven
This all correlates with witchcraft and child sacrifice and
the massacre of innocence..
Massacre of Innocence — The Champion
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
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I was baptised.
1. By the HS, where he baptised me into Christ's death and burial (rom 6) where my sins were washed, and I was given new birth (titus 3) then into the body of Christ ( 1 cor 12)
2. After this. I followed Christs example and command by being baptized in water.
I am not saying one should not be baptized in water. I am denying the fact that water baptism saves you. It does not save you any more than OT circumcision saved anyone.
Notice the sequence of events.
1. Make them disciples.
2. Baptise them
A disciple is saved. Jesus said make them disciples first. One is saved by being washed by the HS. Not by some man in water. He then is baptised in water as an open testimony of his faith in Christ. and as a teaching aid to others as to what Christ did, and what the HS will do for is in spiritual baptism.
Paul said he was not sent to baptize. but to teach the gospel. Water baptism is not a part of the Gospel., or paul lied.
Water baptism is the first command given to all who believe. as well as many other commands given to those who come to Christ (assemble together. Take the lords supper in remembrance of him, Be lights in the world, Evangelise, make other disciples etc etc. ALl these are works a Christian does. Non of them have any bearing on their eternal salvation.
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why?
1. Mary was a sinner
2. Mary needed jesus, she even called him her savior.
3. mary has not been ressurected yet. thus she is still awaiting the return of her king and savior.
4. Mary is blessed. look what she endured.
5. mary is a sinner saved by the grace of her son. She is no more his wife than I am.
6. The church is called the bride of Christ. Not mary.
7. Mary is not espoused to the HS. the holy spirit did not have sex with her.
finally. Psalms 47 speaks of the throne of david being an eternal throne, culmination in Christ, who will rule on earth for 1000 years (something you reject)/ the wife could have been any wife of any king in davids line of kinbgs.
1. Mary was a sinner
2. Mary needed jesus, she even called him her savior.
3. mary has not been ressurected yet. thus she is still awaiting the return of her king and savior.
4. Mary is blessed. look what she endured.
5. mary is a sinner saved by the grace of her son. She is no more his wife than I am.
6. The church is called the bride of Christ. Not mary.
7. Mary is not espoused to the HS. the holy spirit did not have sex with her.
finally. Psalms 47 speaks of the throne of david being an eternal throne, culmination in Christ, who will rule on earth for 1000 years (something you reject)/ the wife could have been any wife of any king in davids line of kinbgs.
are you serious?
ya i guess you are.
i'd still like to see your documentation on "Luther's war against the peasants"
you made the accusation, now please back it up.
if you want the real history, i'll gladly give it you. but your propaganda surely can not be pleasing to God since its a lie.
Q: who was Luther's contemporary that called for the revolt?
Q: what did Luther write before the revolt (not years later)?
ya i guess you are.
i'd still like to see your documentation on "Luther's war against the peasants"
you made the accusation, now please back it up.
if you want the real history, i'll gladly give it you. but your propaganda surely can not be pleasing to God since its a lie.
Q: who was Luther's contemporary that called for the revolt?
Q: what did Luther write before the revolt (not years later)?
True Christianity is Biblical. It is only by studying the Holy Scriptures and reading and learning about our Saviour through the Gospel accounts that we can begin to comprehend and practice true Christianity rather than just religion. And the Torah is vital to learn and study as well since it is God's teaching and instruction. Reading and studying how Jesus lived His life, how He prayed, fasted, did miracles, conducted Himself while on this earth is the perfect and prime example of how we are to live life as true Christians. He is our perfect role model to follow and be like.
The rituals and vain repetitions (prayer) which the Roman Catholic Church does and practices is condemned in the Holy Scriptures. And the one true Church is the Body of Christ.
The rituals and vain repetitions (prayer) which the Roman Catholic Church does and practices is condemned in the Holy Scriptures. And the one true Church is the Body of Christ.
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DEAR CHOSENBYHIM:
Which is the Pillar and Ground of the truth? The Bible alone? Or the Church? What DOES the BIBLE actually say?
Do you ACTUALLY BELIEVE I ST. TIMOTHY 3:15? Or do you CHOOSE NOT to BELIEVE it, because it shows
something more than the Bible alone is needed? 2 THESSALONIANS 2:!5, 3:6 also PROVE that TRUE CHRISTIANITY IS NOT BIBLICAL ONLY. It's ONLY PARTIALLY BIBLICAL: BUT IT GOES BEYOND "THE BIBLE ALONE". WITHOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE BIBLE ALONE IS MISUNDERSTOOD (SEE JOHN 16:13).
SCOTT HARRINGTON ERIE PA
would anyone on this post recommend i copy it all and hand it to a non Christian as a pamphlet for trying to help convert them to Christianity. after reading any of this post how could a new convert rightfully chose which denomination and church to belong to. after reading it would they even want to become a part of it at all?
you are creating stumbling blocks. you have become the sadducees and pharisees and essenes of today. if Christianity is failing in the world today you need to only look at this post and others like them to learn why this is. your hatred and scorn of each other is clear. is this what Christianity has to offer? another way for people to fight with each other? your interpretation of doctrine is being used in a contentious way against others who answer with their own contentious interpretation and doctrine. none of it benefits the reader or is useful in helping someone WANT to become a Christian. it certainly isn't bringing us together as Christians. you use bible quotes in opposition to other bible quotes. was the bible inspired by God so we could use it to support our arguments and understanding against each other who believe? all of this disunity isn't serving Christ. people who act in such a way are not serving Christ.
will Christ find any faith on earth when he returns? would you want him holding a copy of this post when he returns or when you stand before him for judgement? or copies of any of the other countless thousands of post people are making? my fear is how far i have fallen short on trying to serve the lord. from what i have been reading on these forums, more of you should start feeling the same fear. those who teach are held to a higher standing of judgment. is it any wonder so few learn with how you teach. go back to your temples you sadducees and pharisees and essenes. in the end it is the love of Christ and the understanding of Christ that will save us all. stop making his job so difficult you contentious children. be ready for the rod of discipline, we so clearly deserve.
Duewell
you are creating stumbling blocks. you have become the sadducees and pharisees and essenes of today. if Christianity is failing in the world today you need to only look at this post and others like them to learn why this is. your hatred and scorn of each other is clear. is this what Christianity has to offer? another way for people to fight with each other? your interpretation of doctrine is being used in a contentious way against others who answer with their own contentious interpretation and doctrine. none of it benefits the reader or is useful in helping someone WANT to become a Christian. it certainly isn't bringing us together as Christians. you use bible quotes in opposition to other bible quotes. was the bible inspired by God so we could use it to support our arguments and understanding against each other who believe? all of this disunity isn't serving Christ. people who act in such a way are not serving Christ.
will Christ find any faith on earth when he returns? would you want him holding a copy of this post when he returns or when you stand before him for judgement? or copies of any of the other countless thousands of post people are making? my fear is how far i have fallen short on trying to serve the lord. from what i have been reading on these forums, more of you should start feeling the same fear. those who teach are held to a higher standing of judgment. is it any wonder so few learn with how you teach. go back to your temples you sadducees and pharisees and essenes. in the end it is the love of Christ and the understanding of Christ that will save us all. stop making his job so difficult you contentious children. be ready for the rod of discipline, we so clearly deserve.
Duewell
