The Parable of the Ten Virgins does not refer to the church

[ZNP]

Is Babylon pure, udefiled, set apart?

Isa 47:1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.
Isa 47:2
Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.
Isa 47:3
Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meetthee as a man.
Isa 47:4
As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 47:5
Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called,The lady of kingdoms.

Isa 23:12
And he said, Thou shalt no more rejoice, O thou oppressed virgin, daughter of Zidon: arise,pass over to Chittim; there also shalt thou have no rest.

Jer 18:13
Therefore thus saith the LORD; Ask ye now among the heathen, who hath heardsuch things: the virgin of Israel hath done a very horrible thing.

Jer 46:11
Go up into Gilead, and take balm, O virgin, the daughter of Egypt: in vainshalt thou use many medicines; for thou shalt not be cured.

Lam 1:15
The Lord hath trodden under foot all my mighty men in the midst of me: he hath calledan assembly against me to crush my young men: the Lord hath trodden the virgin,the daughter of Judah, as in a winepress

I’m not convinced virgin means "pure , undefined, set apart."

Is the "Virgin daughter of Babylon" waiting for the Bridegroom's return? Is the Virgin daughter of Babylon a bridesmaid in the wedding procession of the Bride of Christ? Does she have a lamp that at one point was lit but has since gone out? Does she go and buy oil and then come knocking on the door to be let into the wedding?

You have to look at the whole picture. There is nothing in the parable to suggest that Jesus is talking about Babylon.

The definition of foolish is given to us in Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

The foolish virgin built her house on the sand, the Lord's return is the storm coming and when the storm comes all those whose house is built on the sand will see it collapse. Her problem is not that her house is built in Babylon, rather the problem is she did not dig down to the rock and build her foundation on solid rock.

Christianity teaches that there is nothing you need to do, you have been saved by grace, not by works. That is true. But here in the gospel it is very clear that we are to be doers of the word, not hearers only. It is very clear that we are to be witnesses of the Lord. No one was called to sit in a pew and listen to sermons. Everyone is called to be a witness of the Lord. You pay the price for the oil by doing what the Lord told you to do. Having a lamp lit in the dark night is what we have been called to do.

 

[ZNP]

This is the KJV Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins
This is the Darby version 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of the heavens be made like to ten virgins

So which is it, Kingdom of heaven or Kingdom of the heavens? Every single Greek text used for the various Bible translations says "heavens" and yet just about every translation into English says "heaven". Why?

The Bible expositors know that "the kingdom of heaven" refers to where God dwells while the "kingdom of the heavens" refers to where the planets, stars, sun and moon are. They translate it as "kingdom of heaven" because that is what their message on this portion is about.

But what did Jesus say? He said "Then", "At that time", the "kingdom of the heavens" (the stars, and constellations, and planets, and sun, and moon) will be likened to "ten virgins" (ten Virgos). He was giving us a sign that would be a countdown from 10 to 9, 8, 7...1 Go!

We start at 0, and that is the first Virgo. 9 years later you get your 10th virgo. However, the 10th Virgo is September 11, and the first one was September 22, and so even though it has been 9 years by the Hebrew calendar, by the Gregorian calendar Jupiter, which in the heavens came out of Virgo's womb on September 23 is still 8 years old. So the manchild is depicted by King Josiah which became King while he was till 8 years old. This countdown takes place over 9 years which indicates a full passage of time, and we see 10 Virgos, a complete set.

They asked Him when will these things be and what will be the sign of Your coming and He concludes by telling them when will these things be and what will be the sign of His coming.

 

[dkontner]

Or you can just believe the word of God.

 

[DavidLamb]

This is the KJV Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins
This is the Darby version 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of the heavens be made like to ten virgins

So which is it, Kingdom of heaven or Kingdom of the heavens? Every single Greek text used for the various Bible translations says "heavens" and yet just about every translation into English says "heaven". Why?

The Bible expositors know that "the kingdom of heaven" refers to where God dwells while the "kingdom of the heavens" refers to where the planets, stars, sun and moon are. They translate it as "kingdom of heaven" because that is what their message on this portion is about.

But what did Jesus say? He said "Then", "At that time", the "kingdom of the heavens" (the stars, and constellations, and planets, and sun, and moon) will be likened to "ten virgins" (ten Virgos). He was giving us a sign that would be a countdown from 10 to 9, 8, 7...1 Go!

We start at 0, and that is the first Virgo. 9 years later you get your 10th virgo. However, the 10th Virgo is September 11, and the first one was September 22, and so even though it has been 9 years by the Hebrew calendar, by the Gregorian calendar Jupiter, which in the heavens came out of Virgo's womb on September 23 is still 8 years old. So the manchild is depicted by King Josiah which became King while he was till 8 years old. This countdown takes place over 9 years which indicates a full passage of time, and we see 10 Virgos, a complete set.

They asked Him when will these things be and what will be the sign of Your coming and He concludes by telling them when will these things be and what will be the sign of His coming.

That idea seems very unlikely to me. I am no Greek expert, but the same Greek word, "ouranos" is used in verses where it would be nonsense to insist that it must mean "the stars, and constellations, and planets, and sun, and moon." For example:
(Mat 5:10 NKJV) Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Are persecuted believers inheritors of astronomical features?

(Mar 1:11 NKJV) Then a voice came from heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Does God the Father dwell on the moon, or some other astronomical body?

(Joh 3:13 NKJV) No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

Was Jesus saying that He was a space traveller?

In the parable we are discussing, why would Jesus say that the stars, and constellations, and planets, and sun, and moon should keep themselves in readiness for the Bridegroom's coming?

 

[Psalm1]

Is Babylon pure, udefiled, set apart?

Isa 47:1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.
Isa 47:2
Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.
Isa 47:3
Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meetthee as a man.
Isa 47:4
As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 47:5
Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called,The lady of kingdoms.

Isa 23:12
And he said, Thou shalt no more rejoice, O thou oppressed virgin, daughter of Zidon: arise,pass over to Chittim; there also shalt thou have no rest.

Jer 18:13
Therefore thus saith the LORD; Ask ye now among the heathen, who hath heardsuch things: the virgin of Israel hath done a very horrible thing.

Jer 46:11
Go up into Gilead, and take balm, O virgin, the daughter of Egypt: in vainshalt thou use many medicines; for thou shalt not be cured.

Lam 1:15
The Lord hath trodden under foot all my mighty men in the midst of me: he hath calledan assembly against me to crush my young men: the Lord hath trodden the virgin,the daughter of Judah, as in a winepress

I’m not convinced virgin means "pure , undefined, set apart."

There are 2 wives.
Gomer is the wayward wife = Israel
The bride of Christ = those made HOLY by the blood. = pure, undefiled, set apart.
Or
"Ruth vs naomi"
Both illustrating romans 9-11, the 2 harvests.
It is just a fact.

Your hope for "virgin" associated with whoredome is flat out bizarre.

It is akin to smearing Jesus's name using others in the bible named Jesus.

A parable is overly simple.
The components are there for a reason.
You are changing the components.

 

[ZNP]

That idea seems very unlikely to me. I am no Greek expert, but the same Greek word, "ouranos" is used in verses where it would be nonsense to insist that it must mean "the stars, and constellations, and planets, and sun, and moon." For example:
(Mat 5:10 NKJV) Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Are persecuted believers inheritors of astronomical features?

(Mar 1:11 NKJV) Then a voice came from heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Does God the Father dwell on the moon, or some other astronomical body?

(Joh 3:13 NKJV) No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

Was Jesus saying that He was a space traveller?

In the parable we are discussing, why would Jesus say that the stars, and constellations, and planets, and sun, and moon should keep themselves in readiness for the Bridegroom's coming?

Well let's examine them.

Darby version Matthew 5:10 Blessed they who are persecuted on account of righteousness, for *theirs* is the kingdom of the heavens.

Do you need to be persecuted for righteousness sake in order to own the kingdom of the heavens? If the Kingdom of heaven refers to the dwelling place of God and the Kingdom of the heavens refers to the first and second heaven, the kingdom of the air where Satan and the fallen angels currently reside, then we don't need to be persecuted in order to be born again and become joint heirs with Christ. But it may be to receive a crown you do need to enter the ring and fight the battle and when Satan and the fallen angels are cast to the earth, the Manchild will replace them.

Darby version Mark 1:11 And there came a voice out of the heavens: *Thou* art my beloved Son, in thee I have found my delight.

If some people thought it was thunder then of course this is not talking about the kingdom of heaven but rather the kingdom of the heavens where we have lightning, thunder, as well as sun, moon and stars.

Darby version John 3:13 And no one has gone up into heaven, save he who came down out of heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven.

This one the greek is singular referring to the dwelling place of God.

 

[Psalm1]

Yes, as usual folks focus on the physical virgins and ignore the spiritual point of the parable, which is the need to be ready for Judgment Day by being qualified to enter heaven, (Matt. 24:36-51) which is by satisfying God's requirement for salvation (Matt. 16:16-28), which is via repenting of faith in Satan (Matt. 4:17) and loving Jesus as Messiah (John 15:23-25) or Lord in the human dimension (Acts 16:30-31), who atoned for our sins (Rom. 3:20-5:11).

I can do both.
I do not need any component ejected or modified.
No bogey man in acknowledging the fact that the 10 virgins are in fact believers.

Being ready is one thing.
Understanding HOW is illustrated in the parable as well as who is worthy and who is not.
Spiritual believers intimate with Jesus vs carnal believers.

So the parable is not directly ABOUT salvation.
It is about the church not necessarily being the bride.
Both the foolish who stay, and wise that get raptured are virgins/ believers.
Both are saved persons according to the parable.

 

[cv5]

Is Babylon pure, udefiled, set apart?

Isa 47:1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.
Isa 47:2
Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.
Isa 47:3
Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meetthee as a man.
Isa 47:4
As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 47:5
Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called,The lady of kingdoms.

Isa 23:12
And he said, Thou shalt no more rejoice, O thou oppressed virgin, daughter of Zidon: arise,pass over to Chittim; there also shalt thou have no rest.

Jer 18:13
Therefore thus saith the LORD; Ask ye now among the heathen, who hath heardsuch things: the virgin of Israel hath done a very horrible thing.

Jer 46:11
Go up into Gilead, and take balm, O virgin, the daughter of Egypt: in vainshalt thou use many medicines; for thou shalt not be cured.

Lam 1:15
The Lord hath trodden under foot all my mighty men in the midst of me: he hath calledan assembly against me to crush my young men: the Lord hath trodden the virgin,the daughter of Judah, as in a winepress

I’m not convinced virgin means "pure , undefined, set apart."

Yes my friend, the nuance of the Hebrew (though obvious) escapes many who.....fail to do their homework.

What does “virgin” signify here?​

Several overlapping ideas are possible, but moral purity is not one of them.

1. Previously unconquered or unviolated​

The most concrete political meaning is:

A nation that regarded itself as untouched, secure, and not yet subjected to humiliating foreign domination.

In the ancient poetic metaphor, military conquest was pictured as the violation and humiliation of a formerly protected maiden. Thus Babylon is “virgin” because she imagines herself inviolable—but she is about to be dethroned, exposed, and reduced to servitude.


This fits Isaiah 47 perfectly:

• she sits on a throne;
• she is “tender and delicate”;
• she calls herself “the lady of kingdoms”;
• she boasts that she will never become a widow or lose children;
• then she is forced into the dust and stripped of royal dignity.

The NET translators therefore note that “virgin daughter” is a stylized poetic expression. They also point out that Babylon is subsequently represented as a wife, widow, and mother, proving that Isaiah is not constructing a literal sexual biography for the city.

2. Sheltered, pampered and secure​

A betulah traditionally lived under her father’s household protection before marriage. Accordingly, the national metaphor can carry the idea:

Protected, secluded, sheltered and accustomed to security.

That meaning is especially fitting for Egypt. Egypt’s deserts, fortified borders, Nile geography, wealth and long imperial history encouraged a sense of exceptional security. Jeremiah sarcastically addresses her as the formerly sheltered “virgin daughter” who is now suffering an incurable military wound.


One scholarly explanation specifically connects Egypt’s designation with her geographical isolation and the security of a daughter protected in her father’s household.

3. Young, beautiful and delicate​

The word also contributes to the feminine personification of a splendid capital or nation as an elegant young woman. Isaiah immediately interprets the image through the words:

“tender and delicate.”

Thus Babylon is not called innocent. She is pictured as pampered, luxurious, beautiful and unaccustomed to hardship—a royal maiden about to become a slave woman grinding flour.

4. Vulnerable once protection disappears​

The title can also emphasize the nation’s helplessness once judgment arrives. The same “virgin daughter” terminology is used for Zion, Judah, Sidon, Babylon and Egypt. In these national usages, vulnerability and impending humiliation are often prominent.

Isaiah 47:1 — Babylon​

The idea is approximately:

“Come down from your throne, you pampered and supposedly untouchable maiden Babylon. You imagined yourself secure and inviolable, but you will now be conquered, humiliated and reduced to servitude.”

There is heavy irony here. Babylon considered herself sovereign and eternally secure:

“I shall be a lady for ever” — Isaiah 47:7
“I am, and none else beside me” — Isaiah 47:8, 10

The “virgin” is therefore the previously untouched imperial princess, not a morally chaste civilization. Indeed, the rest of the chapter condemns Babylon’s cruelty, pride, sorcery and arrogant self-deification.

Jeremiah 46:11 — Egypt​

Jeremiah’s image is likewise sarcastic:

“Go obtain all the famous medicines you can, sheltered maiden Egypt; your military wound is nevertheless incurable.”

The preceding context concerns Egypt’s catastrophic defeat at Carchemish, and verse 13 announces Nebuchadnezzar’s coming attack on Egypt. The “balm of Gilead” is figurative medical language for attempted national recovery. Egypt is the wounded maiden whose medicines cannot reverse Yahweh’s judicial sentence.


Hence “virgin daughter of Egypt” means something close to:

Egypt, formerly protected, proud, splendid and supposedly unconquerable.

It does not mean that Egyptian religion or society was spiritually undefiled.

Does Fruchtenbaum discuss it?​

I could not locate a publicly accessible Fruchtenbaum passage that specifically pauses to define “virgin daughter of Babylon” in Isaiah 47:1 or “virgin daughter of Egypt” in Jeremiah 46:11. His detailed treatments may exist in his Messianic Bible Study Collection or his verse-by-verse Isaiah and Jeremiah materials that are not fully searchable online, but I would not attribute a precise explanation to him without seeing the text.


Nevertheless, the normal grammatical-historical interpretation is entirely consistent with Fruchtenbaum’s method:

1. Babylon and Egypt are the literal historical nations.
2. Each nation is personified poetically as a woman.
3. Betulah contributes ideas of sheltered status, delicacy, presumed inviolability and vulnerability.
4. The designation says nothing about pagan moral innocence.
5. The prophecy announces literal national defeat and humiliation.

Bottom line​

Betulah genuinely means “virgin/maiden,” but the referent here is metaphorical. Babylon and Egypt are not being pronounced sexually or spiritually pure. They are being portrayed as pampered, sheltered, proud and supposedly untouched national maidens who are about to lose their protection and suffer humiliating conquest.


The sharpest paraphrase would be:

“O hitherto untouchable maiden Babylon/Egypt—your presumed inviolability is about to end.”

 

[Psalm1]

In Arnold Fruchtenbaum’s dispensational framework, the foolish virgins are **not** viewed as slow or disobedient believers missing out on rewards (i.e., they are not in a "penalty box"). Instead, they represent **unbelievers**.

The distinction between the two groups, and their ultimate fate, breaks down as follows through that interpretive lens:

### 1. Oil as the Symbol of Regeneration
In this system, the "oil" inside the lamps consistently typifies the **Holy Spirit** and genuine, indwelling saving faith.
* **The Wise Virgins:** Had the oil, representing those Israelites living through the Tribulation who genuinely trusted in Jesus as the Messiah (the believing remnant).
* **The Foolish Virgins:** Took lamps (an outward profession of waiting for God/religion) but took **no oil**. They represent unregenerate, unbelieving Israelites. They outwardly looked like part of the community waiting for the King, but lacked internal spiritual life.

### 2. The Foolish Virgins Are Unsaved and Excluded
Because they lack true faith, when the midnight cry sounds and the Bridegroom arrives, they cannot enter the wedding feast.
* When they cry out, *"Lord, Lord, open to us,"* the Bridegroom answers, *"Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you"*.
* In Scripture, the phrase *"I do not know you"* is a classic idiom used exclusively for those who are spiritually lost and unregenerate—never for a true child of God, no matter how disobedient.

### 3. Connection to the Outer Darkness and Judgment
Fruchtenbaum maps the conclusion of this parable directly into the **Judgment of the Living Israel** (which occurs on earth during the 75-day interval between the end of the Tribulation and the start of the Millennial Kingdom, based on passages like Ezekiel 20:37–38).

* Just like the wicked/lazy servant in the next parable (Matthew 25:14–30) and the "goats" in the final section of Matthew 25, the foolish virgins represent those who fail the test of the end-times because they never possessed real faith.

* Consequently, they are shut out from the earthly Messianic Kingdom. In dispensational terms, being barred from entering the millennial kingdom on earth equates to facing final condemnation and eternal separation.

Therefore, in Fruchtenbaum's view, the foolish virgins do not get a "time-out" or a lesser reward; they face **eternal exclusion** because their lack of oil exposed a complete absence of true, saving relationship with t
he Bridegroom.

The foolish virgins are believers. " our lamps have gone out"
The parable depicts them;
With Lamps
With Oil
As Virgins
With light
( impossible for them to be unbelievers.)
Exactly to a "T", the same in every way, as the wise.
One difference...the only difference...not enough oil.
Paul describes the 3 classes of believers as "carnal,mature/ spiritual, and babes"


The setting is pretrib.
The parable is a vivid depiction of the rapture
The bible ends in the virgin parable.
"The spirit and the bride say come"

The previous parable, almost in tge same breath has the exact same 50% taken, and 50% left behind.
Two examples , one after the other, illustrating half the church raptured.

It is not the Jewish gathering.
That is mid 7yr trib in Rev 14.
A completely different dynamic with Jesus as a harvester, not a groom.
Also vividly depicted

 

[ZNP]

Yes my friend, the nuance of the Hebrew (though obvious) escapes many who.....fail to do their homework.

What does “virgin” signify here?​

Several overlapping ideas are possible, but moral purity is not one of them.

1. Previously unconquered or unviolated​

The most concrete political meaning is:




In the ancient poetic metaphor, military conquest was pictured as the violation and humiliation of a formerly protected maiden. Thus Babylon is “virgin” because she imagines herself inviolable—but she is about to be dethroned, exposed, and reduced to servitude.


This fits Isaiah 47 perfectly:

• she sits on a throne;
• she is “tender and delicate”;
• she calls herself “the lady of kingdoms”;
• she boasts that she will never become a widow or lose children;
• then she is forced into the dust and stripped of royal dignity.

The NET translators therefore note that “virgin daughter” is a stylized poetic expression. They also point out that Babylon is subsequently represented as a wife, widow, and mother, proving that Isaiah is not constructing a literal sexual biography for the city.

2. Sheltered, pampered and secure​

A betulah traditionally lived under her father’s household protection before marriage. Accordingly, the national metaphor can carry the idea:




That meaning is especially fitting for Egypt. Egypt’s deserts, fortified borders, Nile geography, wealth and long imperial history encouraged a sense of exceptional security. Jeremiah sarcastically addresses her as the formerly sheltered “virgin daughter” who is now suffering an incurable military wound.


One scholarly explanation specifically connects Egypt’s designation with her geographical isolation and the security of a daughter protected in her father’s household.

3. Young, beautiful and delicate​

The word also contributes to the feminine personification of a splendid capital or nation as an elegant young woman. Isaiah immediately interprets the image through the words:




Thus Babylon is not called innocent. She is pictured as pampered, luxurious, beautiful and unaccustomed to hardship—a royal maiden about to become a slave woman grinding flour.

4. Vulnerable once protection disappears​

The title can also emphasize the nation’s helplessness once judgment arrives. The same “virgin daughter” terminology is used for Zion, Judah, Sidon, Babylon and Egypt. In these national usages, vulnerability and impending humiliation are often prominent.

Isaiah 47:1 — Babylon​

The idea is approximately:




There is heavy irony here. Babylon considered herself sovereign and eternally secure:




The “virgin” is therefore the previously untouched imperial princess, not a morally chaste civilization. Indeed, the rest of the chapter condemns Babylon’s cruelty, pride, sorcery and arrogant self-deification.

Jeremiah 46:11 — Egypt​

Jeremiah’s image is likewise sarcastic:




The preceding context concerns Egypt’s catastrophic defeat at Carchemish, and verse 13 announces Nebuchadnezzar’s coming attack on Egypt. The “balm of Gilead” is figurative medical language for attempted national recovery. Egypt is the wounded maiden whose medicines cannot reverse Yahweh’s judicial sentence.


Hence “virgin daughter of Egypt” means something close to:




It does not mean that Egyptian religion or society was spiritually undefiled.

Does Fruchtenbaum discuss it?​

I could not locate a publicly accessible Fruchtenbaum passage that specifically pauses to define “virgin daughter of Babylon” in Isaiah 47:1 or “virgin daughter of Egypt” in Jeremiah 46:11. His detailed treatments may exist in his Messianic Bible Study Collection or his verse-by-verse Isaiah and Jeremiah materials that are not fully searchable online, but I would not attribute a precise explanation to him without seeing the text.


Nevertheless, the normal grammatical-historical interpretation is entirely consistent with Fruchtenbaum’s method:

1. Babylon and Egypt are the literal historical nations.
2. Each nation is personified poetically as a woman.
3. Betulah contributes ideas of sheltered status, delicacy, presumed inviolability and vulnerability.
4. The designation says nothing about pagan moral innocence.
5. The prophecy announces literal national defeat and humiliation.

Bottom line​

Betulah genuinely means “virgin/maiden,” but the referent here is metaphorical. Babylon and Egypt are not being pronounced sexually or spiritually pure. They are being portrayed as pampered, sheltered, proud and supposedly untouched national maidens who are about to lose their protection and suffer humiliating conquest.


The sharpest paraphrase would be:

Since when does the term "virgin" perfectly fit with someone sitting on a throne and calling themselves a queen? Why would a virgin be boasting that she won't become a widow or lose children? Why would the word "virgin" be equated with someone who is boasting? You will say anything to put your square peg into a round hole.

 

[cv5]

The foolish virgins are believers. " our lamps have gone out"
The parable depicts them;
With Lamps
With Oil
As Virgins
With light
( impossible for them to be unbelievers.)
Exactly to a "T", the same in every way, as the wise.
One difference...the only difference...not enough oil.
Paul describes the 3 classes of believers as "carnal,mature/ spiritual, and babes"


The setting is pretrib.
The parable is a vivid depiction of the rapture
The bible ends in the virgin parable.
"The spirit and the bride say come"

The previous parable, almost in tge same breath has the exact same 50% taken, and 50% left behind.
Two examples , one after the other, illustrating half the church raptured.

It is not the Jewish gathering.
That is mid 7yr trib in Rev 14.
A completely different dynamic with Jesus as a harvester, not a groom.
Also vividly depicted

Nope. You fail to rightly understand WHEN this scenario takes place in terms of the Hebrew wedding protocol.
This is NOT happening in the Church age. And BTW, the Hebrew wedding protocol PATTERN makes the PRE-TRIB rapture quite inevitable! All of this post-trib mid-trib nonsense is biblically illiterate folderal.

Furthermore, NONE of these 10 virgins are stated to be "caught up" SUDDENLY without notice.
On the contrary: THEY went forth to meet as BRIDESMAIDS/ATTENDANTS to prepare for the ***step 12*** Wedding supper/feast. This is NOT the rapture.

Mat 25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

The 12-Step Hebrew Wedding Pattern
1) The Bride Is Chosen by the Father

In ancient Israel, the father of the groom chose the bride.


Spiritual meaning
God the Father chose the Church for His Son before the world began.


“You did not choose Me, but I chose you…” — John 15:16
“He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world…” — Ephesians 1:4

2) The Bride Price Is Paid

The groom paid a mohar (bride price) to redeem the bride.


Spiritual meaning
Jesus paid the price with His blood.


“You were bought with a price.” — 1 Corinthians 6:20

3) The Marriage Covenant (Betrothal) Is Made

The couple drank from a cup of wine sealing the covenant (kiddushin).
They were legally married — though not yet living together.


Spiritual meaning
The New Covenant was sealed at the Last Supper.


“This cup is the new covenant in My blood.” — Luke 22:20

The Church today is betrothed — not yet living with Christ physically.


4) The Bride Is Set Apart

The bride was now consecrated to her groom alone.


Spiritual meaning
The Church is sanctified — set apart for Christ.


“I betrothed you to one husband… Christ.” — 2 Corinthians 11:2

5) The Groom Leaves to Prepare a Place

The groom returned to his father’s house to build a bridal chamber.


He could not return until his father approved the place.


Spiritual meaning
Jesus ascended to Heaven to prepare our dwelling.


“I go to prepare a place for you.” — John 14:2

6) The Bride Waits — Not Knowing the Day or Hour

Only the father decided when the groom could go get his bride.


The bride lived in expectation — always ready.


Spiritual meaning
No one knows when Christ will return.


“No one knows the day or hour…” — Matthew 24:36

7) The Groom Comes With a Shout and a Trumpet

When the father approved, the groom went to fetch the bride.


He came at night with:
• a shout
• a trumpet blast
• a procession


Spiritual meaning
This is the rapture signal.


“The Lord Himself will descend with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God…” — 1 Thessalonians 4:16

8) The Bride Is Taken Away (This Is the Rapture)

The bride was lifted up and carried away to the groom’s house.


She did not walk — she was taken.


Spiritual meaning
The Church is caught up.


“We who are alive… shall be caught up together… to meet the Lord in the air.” — 1 Thessalonians 4:17

This is the rapture — before judgment.


9) The Bride Enters the Bridal Chamber

The couple entered the chuppah (bridal chamber) for about 7 days.


The door was shut.


Spiritual meaning
The Church is in Heaven while Earth goes through the 7-year Tribulation.


“Come… enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you.” — Isaiah 26:20

10) The Marriage Is Consummated

The bride and groom became one.


Spiritual meaning
The Church is permanently united with Christ.


“They are no longer two but one.” — Matthew 19:6

11) The Bride Is Revealed

After the chamber period, the bride appeared publicly.


Spiritual meaning
The Church returns with Christ in glory.


“When Christ appears, you also will appear with Him in glory.” — Colossians 3:4

12) The Marriage Supper

A huge public feast followed.


Spiritual meaning
This is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.


“Blessed are those invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” — Revelation 19:9

Why This Is So Powerful

This wedding model:

• Explains why the Church is removed before judgment
• Matches rapture language exactly
• Explains “no one knows the day or hour”
• Explains the 7-year separation
• Explains why the Church returns with Christ

It is not a metaphor invented later — it is built into Jewish marriage itself, which God designed to be a prophetic blueprint.

 

[cv5]

The foolish virgins are believers. " our lamps have gone out"
The parable depicts them;
With Lamps
With Oil
As Virgins
With light
( impossible for them to be unbelievers.)
Exactly to a "T", the same in every way, as the wise.
One difference...the only difference...not enough oil.
Paul describes the 3 classes of believers as "carnal,mature/ spiritual, and babes"


The setting is pretrib.
The parable is a vivid depiction of the rapture
The bible ends in the virgin parable.
"The spirit and the bride say come"

The previous parable, almost in tge same breath has the exact same 50% taken, and 50% left behind.
Two examples , one after the other, illustrating half the church raptured.

It is not the Jewish gathering.
That is mid 7yr trib in Rev 14.
A completely different dynamic with Jesus as a harvester, not a groom.
Also vividly depicted

Read the Matt 25 account again. As regards the 10 virgins, there is all kinds of doubts, machinations, maneuvering, intrigues, and it is a drawn out affair.

These virgins are not "SNATCHED" suddenly......this idea does not exist in the text. Rather, all of the frenzied activity occurs AFTER they realize that the Groom and Bride are about to make their arrival.

Mat 25:6
And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7
Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

There is not the slightest hint of a harpazo event.

 

[GWH]

I can do both.
I do not need any component ejected or modified.
No bogey man in acknowledging the fact that the 10 virgins are in fact believers.

Being ready is one thing.
Understanding HOW is illustrated in the parable as well as who is worthy and who is not.
Spiritual believers intimate with Jesus vs carnal believers.

So the parable is not directly ABOUT salvation.
It is about the church not necessarily being the bride.
Both the foolish who stay, and wise that get raptured are virgins/ believers.
Both are saved persons according to the parable.

How can the parable not be about salvation, when five of the virgins were not allowed into heaven?

 

[Psalm1]

How can the parable not be about salvation, when five of the virgins were not allowed into heaven?

Not saying "salvation" is absent.
The parable is about the saved going somewhere.
The groom of the saved, fetching them to heaven, to the marriage.
Worthy saved ones ready.
Unworthy saved ones not ready and staying here.
It is not just about salvation.
Salvation is expressed indirectly, it is inferred.
There are components to every parable.
Jesus had just finished the Noah analogy 30 seconds earlier.
He expressed the same ratio of the church taken in the rapture.
Both examples have half taken, half left.
2 back to back pretrib rapture depictions, with half the church unprepared.

 

[GWH]

Not saying "salvation" is absent.
The parable is about the saved going somewhere.
The groom of the saved, fetching them to heaven, to the marriage.
Worthy saved ones ready.
Unworthy saved ones not ready and staying here.
It is not just about salvation.
Salvation is expressed indirectly, it is inferred.
There are components to every parable.
Jesus had just finished the Noah analogy 30 seconds earlier.
He expressed the same ratio of the church taken in the rapture.
Both examples have half taken, half left.
2 back to back pretrib rapture depictions, with half the church unprepared.

Well, all Christians are worthy of heaven via saving faith,
so the five not permitted in can only be pseudo-Christians as in Matt. 7:21-23.

The point of the reference to Noah is the same: be ready for the rapture/resurrection/judgment to occur at any time.
The saved will go to heaven, leaving the lost in hell (Matt. 24:44-51, 25:13-14,30&46).

 

[Psalm1]

Read the Matt 25 account again. As regards the 10 virgins, there is all kinds of doubts, machinations, maneuvering, intrigues, and it is a drawn out affair.

These virgins are not "SNATCHED" suddenly......this idea does not exist in the text. Rather, all of the frenzied activity occurs AFTER they realize that the Groom and Bride are about to make their arrival.

Mat 25:6
And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7
Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

There is not the slightest hint of a harpazo event.

That is too weak to establish changing the parable.
2 thes
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

IOW THEY HAD A "HEADS UP".

I don't think the position, that , "the church will not get a 'heads up', prior to the rapture" is a plausable assumtion.

Jesus used the ark and Noah to depoct the rapture.
The ark was not violently snatched up a mile into the air, in 2 seconds.
(Does not exclude it in any way from the accurate depiction of a pretrib rapture.)

 

[Psalm1]

Well, all Christians are worthy of heaven via saving faith,
so the five not permitted in can only be pseudo-Christians as in Matt. 7:21-23.

The point of the reference to Noah is the same: be ready for the rapture/resurrection/judgment to occur at any time.
The saved will go to heaven, leaving the lost in hell (Matt. 24:44-51, 25:13-14,30&46).

The rapture is for the bride.
The bride is part of the church.

Worthy vs unworthy.

You are aware of Gods rewards of Worthy believers vs unworthy .
Crowns are awarded at the bema seat.
Some get a martyrs crown.
( has no bearing at all on salvation vs unbelievers)
Both classes of believers are saved, but only martyrs are worthy of the martyrs crown.
Worthy vs unworthy believers.

The foolish that are left behind are martyrs killed by the AC.
They are in fact at the marriage supper in heaven.

 

[Psalm1]

That is too weak to establish changing the parable.
2 thes
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

IOW THEY HAD A "HEADS UP".

I don't think the position, that , "the church will not get a 'heads up', prior to the rapture" is a plausable assumtion.

Jesus used the ark and Noah to depoct the rapture.
The ark was not violently snatched up a mile into the air, in 2 seconds.
(Does not exclude it in any way from the accurate depiction of a pretrib rapture.)

* depict.
5 sec rule is so tedious

 

[Psalm1]

Nope. You fail to rightly understand WHEN this scenario takes place in terms of the Hebrew wedding protocol.
This is NOT happening in the Church age. And BTW, the Hebrew wedding protocol PATTERN makes the PRE-TRIB rapture quite inevitable! All of this post-trib mid-trib nonsense is biblically illiterate folderal.

Furthermore, NONE of these 10 virgins are stated to be "caught up" SUDDENLY without notice.
On the contrary: THEY went forth to meet as BRIDESMAIDS/ATTENDANTS to prepare for the ***step 12*** Wedding supper/feast. This is NOT the rapture.

Mat 25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

The 12-Step Hebrew Wedding Pattern
1) The Bride Is Chosen by the Father

In ancient Israel, the father of the groom chose the bride.


Spiritual meaning
God the Father chose the Church for His Son before the world began.


“You did not choose Me, but I chose you…” — John 15:16
“He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world…” — Ephesians 1:4

2) The Bride Price Is Paid

The groom paid a mohar (bride price) to redeem the bride.


Spiritual meaning
Jesus paid the price with His blood.


“You were bought with a price.” — 1 Corinthians 6:20

3) The Marriage Covenant (Betrothal) Is Made

The couple drank from a cup of wine sealing the covenant (kiddushin).
They were legally married — though not yet living together.


Spiritual meaning
The New Covenant was sealed at the Last Supper.


“This cup is the new covenant in My blood.” — Luke 22:20

The Church today is betrothed — not yet living with Christ physically.


4) The Bride Is Set Apart

The bride was now consecrated to her groom alone.


Spiritual meaning
The Church is sanctified — set apart for Christ.


“I betrothed you to one husband… Christ.” — 2 Corinthians 11:2

5) The Groom Leaves to Prepare a Place

The groom returned to his father’s house to build a bridal chamber.


He could not return until his father approved the place.


Spiritual meaning
Jesus ascended to Heaven to prepare our dwelling.


“I go to prepare a place for you.” — John 14:2

6) The Bride Waits — Not Knowing the Day or Hour

Only the father decided when the groom could go get his bride.


The bride lived in expectation — always ready.


Spiritual meaning
No one knows when Christ will return.


“No one knows the day or hour…” — Matthew 24:36

7) The Groom Comes With a Shout and a Trumpet

When the father approved, the groom went to fetch the bride.


He came at night with:
• a shout
• a trumpet blast
• a procession


Spiritual meaning
This is the rapture signal.


“The Lord Himself will descend with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God…” — 1 Thessalonians 4:16

8) The Bride Is Taken Away (This Is the Rapture)

The bride was lifted up and carried away to the groom’s house.


She did not walk — she was taken.


Spiritual meaning
The Church is caught up.


“We who are alive… shall be caught up together… to meet the Lord in the air.” — 1 Thessalonians 4:17

This is the rapture — before judgment.


9) The Bride Enters the Bridal Chamber

The couple entered the chuppah (bridal chamber) for about 7 days.


The door was shut.


Spiritual meaning
The Church is in Heaven while Earth goes through the 7-year Tribulation.


“Come… enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you.” — Isaiah 26:20

10) The Marriage Is Consummated

The bride and groom became one.


Spiritual meaning
The Church is permanently united with Christ.


“They are no longer two but one.” — Matthew 19:6

11) The Bride Is Revealed

After the chamber period, the bride appeared publicly.


Spiritual meaning
The Church returns with Christ in glory.


“When Christ appears, you also will appear with Him in glory.” — Colossians 3:4

12) The Marriage Supper

A huge public feast followed.


Spiritual meaning
This is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.


“Blessed are those invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” — Revelation 19:9

Why This Is So Powerful

This wedding model:

• Explains why the Church is removed before judgment
• Matches rapture language exactly
• Explains “no one knows the day or hour”
• Explains the 7-year separation
• Explains why the Church returns with Christ

It is not a metaphor invented later — it is built into Jewish marriage itself, which God designed to be a prophetic blueprint.

1) ditto.
Models pretrib rapture. We are betrothed, not married

2) ditto
We are bought with a price

3) ditto
We are the betrothed ones

4) ditto
yes we are virgins and the virgins in the parable

5) ditto.
Yes he is there in heaven preparing for his bride.

6)ditto
Yes we wait. We are the bride of Christ.

7) yes Jesus comes for his bride as depicted in the virgin parable

8) yes the rapture is the catching away.
The groom fetches his bride as is depicted in the virgin parable.

The parable aligns perfectly with the pretrib rapture.
Even the setting is pretrib rapture.

It can not be the second coming on white horses.
Nor can it be the gathering of the Jews in Rev 14.

That alone tells you you are changing the parable.

The virgin parable is depecting the end of the church age.
The foolish virgins being the carnal Christians Being left behind, and martyred by the Antichrist, And they are seen in heaven as the innumerable number.
It even says they came out of the great tribulation. So they lost their heads.
And I wonder how they did that?
By not denying Jesus?
They are martyrs that died in the tribulation. They are the foolish virgins that were left behind.

 

[Psalm1]

...the end of the church age.
The Jews are the wayward wife.
( the other wife)
Gomer
Naomi.
They, the wayward wife, are gathered vividly in rev 14.
The trib is Jacob's trouble.
Nothing at all to do with the church.
The church age ends with the "cleansing" of the planet of Christians.
THEN the attention is on the jews.

They are in fact USHERED TO SAFETY WITH THE SATINC AC HOT ON THEIR HEELS.
Possibly Petra.
The Jew is Gomer, the wayward wife, not in any way the bride of Christ.
Not virgins.
Not blood washed believers, except for the 144,000 firstfruits. They are messianic Jews. JEWISH BELIEVERS.