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[Ramon]

Ramon, friend in Christ; I've quoted someone's work on the internet. I know it's a bit long, but I'm asking you to take the time to consider this;

Was Nebuchadnezzar healing from his old ways, or was he insane? The person 'copied' the work of biblical scholars who did not know creation language. I know this because he mentioned Nebuchadnezzar as being insane for seven seasons after he was cut down by the Word of God. The Holy Spirit taught me concerning the beginnings of a nature of a creature that chews grass (hint) Chews the cud. I was also taught the meaning of the birds of the air by their various natures (according to each kind). Let me know what you see.

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The Bible in Daniel chapter 4 states that Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, had a dream that troubled him. So he called in the prophet Daniel to interpret his dream. Daniel told him that the following would happen to the king because of his pride:
"This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the Most High, which has come upon my lord the king: They shall drive you from men, your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make you eat grass like oxen . . . ,
and seven times (seasons) shall pass over you, till you know that the Most High
rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever He chooses . . . your kingdom shall be returned to you, after you come to know that Heaven rules." Daniel 4:24-26

One year later as Nebuchadnezzar was walking about his royal palace the dream became reality:The Bible records in Daniel 4:30 that the king spoke with great pride saying: "Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for a royal dwelling by my
mighty power and for the honor of my majesty?"
While the word was still in the king's mouth, a voice fell from heaven: "King Nebuchadnezzar, to you it is spoken: the kingdom has departed from you! . . . and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. They shall make you eat grass like oxen; and seven times shall pass over you, until you know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever He chooses." That very hour the word was fulfilled concerning Nebuchadnezzar."

A quote of Nebuchadnezzar has been found outside the Bible that is almost identical to his statement in Daniel 4:30. The inscription known as The East India House inscription, records Nebuchadnezzar's building activities in Babylon and states the following:

"My name will be remembered throughout history for all time because I turned Babylon and Esagila into a mighty fortress."

The greatness of Babylon was also mentioned by the Greek historian Herodotus, who traveled to Babylon some ninety years after the reign of Nebuchadnezzar. In his writings he said that he was overwhelmed by the large quantity of gold amassed in Babylon. He said many of the walls of Babylon were covered with gold overlay.

Nebuchadnezzar believed that it was by his own hand that he created such a magnificent city and that he reigned supreme.

But God caused this mighty ruler to go insane for seven seasons to teach him the lesson that GOD reigns Supreme.

Actual Babylonian records from Nebuchadnezzar himself, also record the seven seasons.

"For four years my kingdom gave me no joy. During this time, not one building of any importance did I issue to be built. And in Babylon itself, no building was erected to pay tribute to my name or to give me glory. I did not sing praises to Merodach, my god, nor did I provide his sacrificial table with offerings, nor did I clean any of the waterways."


Note: In Babylon they counted only two seasons, Summer and Winter. Thus (seven seasons) equals 3 1/2 years. And Nebuchadnezzar stated he did not delight in his kingdom for 4 years. Wow! Nebuchadnezzar finally learned to humble himself before God, as his dad, Nabopolassar, had learned before him. Nabopolassar, speaking on his humble beginnings recorded: "As to my origins, I was born the son of a nobody . . . In my opinion, I was considered to be the least desirable among men, being held as unimportant in the eyes of others." End quote

Many scholars neglected to see that King Nebuchadnezzar was becoming SICK with power. They actually thought Neb was rich with power before he was cut down; In this way they could say that Nebuchadnezzar became insane when God separated Nebuchadnezzar from the things that seemed right to him? What in the world were these scholars thinking?

Well, when it comes to things like this, I don't get to far into it. Some things when I read never made that much sense to me, leaving me with doubts and questions about certain things.

All things that I know to be true did not come from me reading the bible, but by revelation of the Holy Ghost, who reveals the truth about Jesus Christ, and salvation.

Whether or not Nebuchadnezzar was insane or healing or not, God dealt with him as he saw fit for him. In the same way, God deals with me as he sees fit for me. I understand though what you mean by his healing. It was the same way I was healing.

As for this case of Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar, I understood who the tree was. I was like that tree, exalted and lifted up also, but Jesus cut me down to size, but he didn't root me up.

One day going to work, the Lord revealed to me the heart of a king. The heart of king is like an ocean. Sometimes it is still and calm, but a violent wind can make it furious waves. A tempest.

Because of this, Daniel honored the king. Not in fear of him, but in fear of God, who judges all men.

In the same way, concerning me and my job, the hearts of my bosses are in his hands. He knows my heart, and he uses my bosses to be my judges. When I am out of the his will, he turns the heart of my judges against me. When I am in his will he saves me from their wrath.

Israel was judged many times. And God turned the hearts of kings against them, even ones that were not of Israel, like he did the king of Babylon against Israel.

But God judges all men as he will. He may use my judges to teach me a lesson, but he may use me to teach my judges a lesson. So, because I fear God, I fear those who are in authority over me, less they lift up themselves against the Lord my God, who will judge me.

This is why the three Hebrew boys were not afraid to answer the king, concerning who they will worship. Neither am I. Neither was Daniel.

God delivered them from the flame, and Daniel from the den of lions.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[yaright]

Thank you Ramon for the witness that opens understanding of greater things that involve our lives personally. I consider it a blessing.

 

[yaright]

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Re: Original Sin!
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Originally Posted by phil36
Is there such a thing.. ?

This thread and subsequent post by phil36 brought to mind just how easy it is to separate ourselves from an inescapable truth that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Thank you phil for wording this so simply as to cause us to ponder what role we personally played in the teaching of original sin. Some will take the stance of law as an identifying factor concerning sin. But even before the law, the evidence of sin according to the Spirit of God can be found in Adam and Eve, and in my own life. Not the type of sin which can easily be identified among our peers; But from our beginnings at an accountable age, when I heard witness of the Word of God, and still chose to do the things which seemed right to me; the choice I made is in fact no different than found in the Garden of Eden.


Apart from the religions of men, there is a wisdom in the teaching of things which began in the Garden of Eden that also took place even in my own life in this present time.

Adam and Eve heard the Word of God, but were tempted; And in that temptation, they chose to do the things which seemed right to them rather than heeding the Word of God. What is original sin in the Garden of Eden, is also original sin found even in this present time. If this is carefully considered, it will become increasingly evident in our own lives.

It is altogether too safe for me to say that sin began at child birth. The tendency then, is to place the burden of sin on my parents, which I did for many years because of the way these things were translated. This is how beguiling original sin is. The bible asks the poignant question, 'who will rightfully judge himself?' And truthfully, how could I rightfully judge myself in this matter, when, like Adam and Eve, I allowed myself to be deceived from the beginning? This deception is so great that Adam proclaimed Eve as the mother of all living. All these 'living' children born since then, died into sin as they grew older. It is because of this that I understand; Adam was speaking according to the flesh, and at that point he did not see what was about to take place for hundreds of generations which followed after them.

It wouldn't be until a woman named Mary heard the word of God, and she believed; That a Child of God was born. The true copy of this then; When we hear the word of God and believe, a child of God is born (again). This is parable language revealed as Jesus spoke to John and said, "Here is your mother" And to Mary, "Here is your son." In this, Jesus teaches us, even unto this present generation; the difference between Eve and Mary. The first who are born of Adam and Eve, are born into a place of death. But those who are born again are raised up with Christ into eternal life. With His own life, Jesus demonstrated the matrix of life on two planes.

 

[Ramon]

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Very interesting. You are far above me in understanding of these things. You are right though. I made a post about this also. And the question I gave was who can righteously judge? I didn't know that was written in the bible, but it is a very important question.

I know God is the only one who can, because my ideas were shaped after the world, and what the world teaches. I have to be taught the truth now, because I have lived a lie for most of my life.

Yes, sin was in the beginning. I almost see it as they were given only one law, ''obey what God said.''

Well, we all failed that. Now what?

That fruit is as you say, what seemed good to us. But when we ate of that fruit, it was a judgement we passed. We became the judges then. I remember now a long time ago I made a post about this, but I can't remember it.

We brought judgement on ourselves by partaking of that, ''good thing'' which meant death to us.

Oh boy, how many times have I eaten of that, ''good thing'' which meant death to me.''

WOW!! This is amazing!!

I see it two ways. There is a, ''good thing'', and there is a good thing.

The, ''good thing'' is what seemed good to me, but the end of it was death.

And there is the good thing, that is good for me, and the end of it is eternal life.

Jesus Christ teaches about this good thing.

But the world teaches of this, ''good thing.''

May Jesus bless you.

 

[yaright]

Awesome post Ramon. Everything found on this earth is the image of greater things found in Heaven. The teaching of good is no exception. In Matthew 7;11 Jesus clearly defines good according to the things which seem right to each of us; and then He also defines good by a much higher standard which we couldn't possibly know except we trust Him with our lives.

Another point you mentioned is that the things Jesus spoke of and did, are not only for our benefit; Being the Word of God, it is as Jesus said, "You are my friend if you obey Me."

Thank you for bringing this facet of understanding.

 

[Ramon]

Awesome post Ramon. Everything found on this earth is the image of greater things found in Heaven. The teaching of good is no exception. In Matthew 7;11 Jesus clearly defines good according to the things which seem right to each of us; and then He also defines good by a much higher standard which we couldn't possibly know except we trust Him with our lives.

Another point you mentioned is that the things Jesus spoke of and did, are not only for our benefit; Being the Word of God, it is as Jesus said, "You are my friend if you obey Me."

Thank you for bringing this facet of understanding.

Hehe. wow, just wow.

I went and read Matthew 7:11, and also I read Matthew 7:9-12

I remember when I read this with that new understanding Jesus gives. Jesus didn't just happen to say bread and fish. He did that for a reason. In fact, even his miracles of the fish and the loaves were a message to us. I believe I am understanding something more, which I did not understand when you said about someone becoming food.

I know who the fish are, and I know who the bread is. In fact, I am wondering now about the meal between Abraham and Melchizedek. Was it fish and bread? I am not sure.

I am trying to see something though:

fish-serpent
bread-stone

hmm. lol.

Jesus multiplied the bread so that they did not go hungry and the fish also. He asked his disciples whether they understood the miracles, so that is proof he was trying to teach us something.

I do have an idea, but I don't know, so I will just wait for the answer. I mean, maybe there is more to be learned than I believe I know about it. So that is why I say I will wait.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[yaright]

Hehe. wow, just wow.

I went and read Matthew 7:11, and also I read Matthew 7:9-12

I remember when I read this with that new understanding Jesus gives. Jesus didn't just happen to say bread and fish. He did that for a reason. In fact, even his miracles of the fish and the loaves were a message to us. I believe I am understanding something more, which I did not understand when you said about someone becoming food.

I know who the fish are, and I know who the bread is. In fact, I am wondering now about the meal between Abraham and Melchizedek. Was it fish and bread? I am not sure.

I am trying to see something though:

fish-serpent
bread-stone

hmm. lol.

Jesus multiplied the bread so that they did not go hungry and the fish also. He asked his disciples whether they understood the miracles, so that is proof he was trying to teach us something.

I do have an idea, but I don't know, so I will just wait for the answer. I mean, maybe there is more to be learned than I believe I know about it. So that is why I say I will wait.

May Jesus bless you.

You all ready know Jesus is the bread of life, and became food for many. You all ready know that the Christian fish speaks of us personally. When we are slain by the word of God, and tried by fire, ONLY THEN do we become food for many...,

When we give witness of Jesus Christ and what He did in our lives, only then could we begin to understand the meaning of feeding the thousands with Bread and Fish..., and when this happens, those who are fed will have some left over to feed others, and this continues through the generations. It is only when a person understands the meaning of the Christian Fish that this also could be added to their personal relationship with Jesus.

 

[yaright]

To a woman who struggled with life I shared something I'd discovered not all that long ago, saying, good to see you open up concerning your struggle with matters of your life. From what I've read, you are experiencing something that isn't at all uncommon. Not only can this struggle be found in this present time, in the beginnings of a person's walk; It can also be found in ancient writings that depict this same struggle among God's people as they left a way of life in a land of sin (Egypt) to 'cross over' into what appeared to them like a desolate land of desert and mountains. Many of these people saw no good in that land because in the beginning, even though they were in the presence of our Father in Heaven;
"The Land of Teaching" gave all the appearance of being barren. They needed to go through this time of teaching before they entered into a rich land that became the inheritance to the first born of God. The old stayed behind while first born received the gift of inheritance. What is shown according to the things which we can see, is the image of things which we cannot see because they are spiritual in nature. That part of you which you can see, is born of flesh and will not inherit the promise; But that part of you that is born of God, the first born, the born-again, the new born child of God within you, it is that part which will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

It takes the nature of a woman to teach a man this; The things you say, and the things you do; You do also to the child of God within you. That child is the most precious thing you will ever know all the days of your life.

 

[yaright]

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFlames
Saul's Leadership was Divinely Established by God..., the examples we speak of now were established by bloodshed and greed

Are you trying to say if I can force and impose my will upon someone else it is inspired by God?



There were too many inflections in some of your other arguments for me to respond, but I see this post on a personal level.

Everything seen are images of things which cannot be seen, because they are spiritual in nature.

When speaking of governments, it helps to down size the picture to make it manageable for me.

You are a body of many parts, each of which are governed by the head of the body. So too is the larger image of governments. So too is the rule of King we called Jesus Christ. So too is the rule of our High Priest we call Jesus Christ. This is the only eternal working model of church and state under the leadership of One person. But if it were possible that one part of your body rebelled against the head of your body; that part would be cut off. This is the image of the violence of sin working in your members. It is written "Who will judge himself?" If we see the work of sin outwardly in another person, and say "that man honors sin!" How much more than do you suppose this takes place within you; because you personally know sin? And yet I know to honor God's work, because He placed this same governing body in each person. David was not showing honor to sin demonstrated on King Saul. David honored God's work, and knew in his heart that God, who is the head, will set all things right in His own time. So, if a person points outwardly at sin, it is only because he knows sin inwardly.

 

[yaright]

Quote:
Originally Posted by rstrats
A poster on another thread, the topic of which was questioning the authenticity of the last 12 verses in the book of Mark, wrote that it doesn’t really matter because there is no doctrinal teaching in Mark 16:9-20 that cannot be proved elsewhere in agreed Scripture.
　
I made the mistake of sticking my nose into the discussion by pointing out that actually there is a statement in verse 9, as the KJV and similar versions have it, that is used for a doctrinal teaching that is to be found nowhere else in Scripture. As the KJV translates it, it is the only place that puts the resurrection on the first day of the week. I then suggested that whenever the discussion of seventh day observance versus first day observance comes up, first day proponents usually use the idea of a first day resurrection to justify the change, and when questioned about the day of resurrection, quote Mark 16:9. The poster came back with: "Quote a published author who has done that." - I have not yet been able to come up with one. Does anyone here know of one? end Quote


I won't enter into a discussion of first day or last day according various doctrines. Over hundreds of years the various christian religions who seem to 'speak with great authority' have become encumbered over the very point of their argument. It is because of the doctrines of these religions that the inflections of understanding this language on a very personal level has been over-shadowed. Even after the witness of creation language, the doctrines of men will continue to be argued; And personal understanding will remain hidden from those who trust in men more than to place their trust in the One who is sent to redeem....

God's people had become slaves in Egypt, slaves in a land that held no eternal inheritance, slaves in a land of sin which held elements of creation as having (images of gods) dominion over men, rather than men having dominion over creation as commanded by the Living God;

When God called His people in Egypt (you) to come to Him, the ruler of the land of sin refused to release them. A sheep was slain and its blood was used to save God's people from eternal death, and the meat was eaten in The Supper Of The Last Day in that land. Then God's people were shown how (following God) to cross over into The Dawning of a New Day in a land that held nothing of this world, but to learn to trust Him in all things.

New Testament; When Jesus told His disciples to go to a house where The Last Supper was to be prepared; that is the image of preparation of the last day in the ways of the world. When this was done by tradition of men, but this time with Jesus, immediately the real thing was about to take place; It is in this moment in time when the blood of The Lamb of God was shed to save all who would hear the calling of the Word of God and believe, even to this present day.

In the last part of the Book of John, after The Blood Of The Lamb Of God was shed and Jesus was risen from the place of death; Jesus spoke to Peter concerning the one thing that Peter (you) could not see about himself (Satan's work was hidden in us all and Satan refused to let us go). But when Peter saw this, The Truth (blood) of Christ had set him free. In the closing witness of the Book of John, Jesus said, Before, you clothed yourself in the security of things which seemed right to you, and went where ever you wished. But now that you are older (in wisdom), another will clothe you in the security of wisdom from above, and take you where you do not wish to go."

This witness is given in creation language. This is the meaning of the Last Supper, in the last day, in a land of corruption;

And crossing over into; The New Day.


This is a condensed understanding of the Last Supper; And the purpose of the Day of Worship