The Parable of the Ten Virgins does not refer to the church

[ZNP]

There's a substantial thread of Scripture supporting the "genuine-but-unprepared believer" reading.

1. Doers vs. Hearers Only
James 1:22-25 (KJV): "But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves... For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass."
Connection: James addresses this to "brethren" — fellow believers — not outsiders. The charge isn't apostasy but self-deception. A hearer-only is foolish (deceived about his own condition), not necessarily unregenerate. Matthew 7 defines foolish as those that hear His words but don't do them. They built their house on sand, the storm came and great was the fall of that house. Same with these foolish Virgins, being locked out of the wedding is equivalent to a great fall in the "house" that they have built.

2. Love Defined as Obedience
Luke 6:46 (KJV): "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"
Connection: The rebuke here is milder than Matthew 7:23 — no "I never knew you," just a question exposing inconsistency. Compare John 14:15, "If ye love me, keep my commandments" — obedience is love's evidence, which implies a real but deficient love is possible, not merely its total absence. God tells us to dig down to the rock to build our house, and warns us about those who build their house on the sand. If you build your house on your opinions and not on the solid word of God, then you are foolish and are not doing what the Lord told you to do.

3. Fire That Tests Works, Not Persons
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 (KJV): "the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is... If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."
Connection: This is the strongest single proof-text. Paul explicitly separates the person's salvation from the quality of his works. A believer can build with "wood, hay, stubble," suffer total loss of reward, and still be saved — which is a very different outcome than "I never knew you." A category of believer who is saved but excluded from reward/commendation. Also Jesus didn't say "I never knew you" to the virgins, only "I know you not". We go to the Lord and get a word from Him and thus He knows us. If you are borrowing a word or testimony or message from someone else, for example if you let AI write your posts, then the Lord can say "I know you not". He didn't work with you on this, you let AI work with you on it.

4. Judgment Beginning at the House of God
1 Peter 4:17-18 (KJV): "judgment must begin at the house of God... And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?"
Connection: Peter distinguishes "the righteous" who are "scarcely saved" (i.e., saved with difficulty/loss) from "the ungodly and sinner" as a separate, worse category. It is not simply "saved or not saved". You have saved with reward, saved without reward, and scarcely saved with total loss. Think about Enoch, depicting the raptured ones, then you have Noah and the seven souls who go through the flood, tossed around in the ark like being in a washing machine, and then you have Lot who was scarcely saved.

5. Sleeping Believers, Not Dead Ones
1 Thessalonians 5:4-6 (KJV): "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness... let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober."
Connection: Paul uses sleep/wake imagery for believers ("brethren") in the very context of the day of the Lord, and treats sleep as a real danger for genuine believers, not proof of unbelief. The number 10 is not a complete number for believers, that would be 12. If two believers were awake and watching, and ten were asleep. That is two categories. Then of those that were asleep have were wise and half were foolish. Why? Because half had built their house on the rock, they dug down to get a revelation of Jesus Christ for themselves and half were foolish borrowing someone else's faith. Lot is a good example, his uncle Abraham was the "Father of Faith" and he followed Abraham but winds up in Sodom.

6. Are they liars? 1 John 2:3-4 (KJV): "he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." John's language is stronger than James's — "liar" and "truth not in him" sound closer to unregenerate than foolish-but-saved. The foolish virgins were told to go and buy the oil for themselves and they did that, so it seems from the text that they were "foolish" because they hadn't done it sooner, but they weren't liars.

7. Is their faith dead? James 2:14-17: "faith without works is dead" — It seems the answer is no. Their is no indication in the story that they are "dead", or that their faith is dead. Instead they are foolish because they "missed the boat". They should have been prepared for when the midnight cry took place, but now they have arrived, oil in hand, but the door to the plane to rapture them has already been closed and they have been left behind.

The bottom line is that it is not for us to judge. Jesus says "I know you not" and so that is what they need to repent of. There is nothing in the story that would allow us to see that as eternal damnation.

What happens to the seven churches? They tolerate Balaam teaching them to go astray, they uphold Jezebel as queen of their church, they have a name that they live but are dead, and they have kicked Jesus out of the church and shut the door on His face. That is what living the Christian life according to your opinions and doing what is right in your own eyes looks like. But all of those believers are told to repent, they have a chance to repent, return to the Lord and be saved.

 

[PaulThomson]

but receiving light from the scripture means you aren't a nominal Christian

Why do you say that? If Jesus id the light that lights every man who comes into the world-
Jhn 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world -

and Jesus is the Word of God -
Jhn 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten ofthe Father,) full of grace and truth -

then, why would the Word of God not be able to give some light to everyone who reads it.

 

[PaulThomson]

A bible can run out of oil?.
Makes no sense.
People can have various levels of oil (the Holy Spirit).
Lamps are our spirit .
The spirit of man is the realm the Holy Spirit resides.

The parable is overly simple.
Needs no complex tampering.

I have already explained how the Bible can stop giving light to someone. Maybe the light the Spirit is giving is being rejected by the reader, because whaat the Spirit is saying through the word conflict with what the reader has misinterpreted the scripture to mean and they are unwilling to revise their thinking. Or, they have been distracted from scripture and have their mind on "And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other thing (Mark 4:19) and "And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.” (Luke 21:34)

One can be filled with the Spirit, or not filled with the Spirit. Sounds like different levels of the Holy Spirit to me. Maybe not different amounts of the Spirit in us, but different amounts of ourselves surrendered to the Spirit in us.

 

[cv5]

I have already explained how the Bible can stop giving light to someone. Maybe the light the Spirit is giving is being rejected by the reader, because whaat the Spirit is saying through the word conflict with what the reader has misinterpreted the scripture to mean and they are unwilling to revise their thinking. Or, they have been distracted from scripture and have their mind on "And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other thing (Mark 4:19) and "And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.” (Luke 21:34)

One can be filled with the Spirit, or not filled with the Spirit. Sounds like different levels of the Holy Spirit to me. Maybe not different amounts of the Spirit in us, but different amounts of ourselves surrendered to the Spirit in us.

Arminian, Wesleyian, and traditional sacramental/historic types espouse the slow burnout theory.

 

[ZNP]

Why do you say that? If Jesus id the light that lights every man who comes into the world-
Jhn 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world -

and Jesus is the Word of God -
Jhn 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten ofthe Father,) full of grace and truth -

then, why would the Word of God not be able to give some light to everyone who reads it.

Yes, I think we are onto something here.

So let's apply our own personal experience. Suppose in 2017 there was a wake up call, one by one Christians woke up to the fact that the Lord's return was very close as these prophecies are being fulfilled. They start Youtube channels, they start blogs, or they even start sharing on social media like Facebook or this forum. The five wise ones go to the Lord every morning and just like 1 Corinthians 14 says, one gets a Psalm, one gets teaching, one gets a revelation, another has a dream, or a vision, etc. And they are sharing those. Now the five foolish also do the same. They can remember their salvation experience, they remember this word they got from the Lord or this experience they had. But very quickly that runs out. What can they do? Then they get the bright idea, they can get a word from AI. They go to AI and give me a word about the "pre tribulation rapture" and again, they also are able to fill the airwaves with messages about this, that or the other thing. The five that had been going to the Lord every morning, they enter in at the door. But the five who were going to AI every morning, when they get to the door the Lord says "I don't know you". That doesn't mean their salvation experience wasn't true, it just means that during these years from 2017 to the present when their torches were supposed to light the way Jesus didn't know them and didn't know what they were doing. All that stuff they put up on the internet using AI, that wasn't light, the Lord doesn't know what that is.

 

[ZNP]

Yes, I think we are onto something here.

So let's apply our own personal experience. Suppose in 2017 there was a wake up call, one by one Christians woke up to the fact that the Lord's return was very close as these prophecies are being fulfilled. They start Youtube channels, they start blogs, or they even start sharing on social media like Facebook or this forum. The five wise ones go to the Lord every morning and just like 1 Corinthians 14 says, one gets a Psalm, one gets teaching, one gets a revelation, another has a dream, or a vision, etc. And they are sharing those. Now the five foolish also do the same. They can remember their salvation experience, they remember this word they got from the Lord or this experience they had. But very quickly that runs out. What can they do? Then they get the bright idea, they can get a word from AI. They go to AI and give me a word about the "pre tribulation rapture" and again, they also are able to fill the airwaves with messages about this, that or the other thing. The five that had been going to the Lord every morning, they enter in at the door. But the five who were going to AI every morning, when they get to the door the Lord says "I don't know you". That doesn't mean their salvation experience wasn't true, it just means that during these years from 2017 to the present when their torches were supposed to light the way Jesus didn't know them and didn't know what they were doing. All that stuff they put up on the internet using AI, that wasn't light, the Lord doesn't know what that is.

So let me go through the Parable with this insight applied.

Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

The parable begins with "then" or "at that time". This interpretation does not make any sense prior to the 2017 celestial sign. The "Then" here refers to the celestial sign in the heavens. The translation here says "the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins" but that is not what the Greek says. The Greek says it shall be likened to the kingdom of the heavens, not the kingdom of the heaven. But before 2017 no one understood how this parable would apply to the sun, moon and stars. It was the Revelation 12 sign that changes that.

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

So a bunch of Christians see this sign and they start sharing on social media, Facebook or on CC, youtube, etc.

3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

The foolish ones shared their salvation experience, maybe a couple of other experiences as well. But they didn't have the practice of going to the Lord every day to get fresh oil. Instead they got their oil from the Pastor and he wasn't talking about the Lord's soon return, he wasn't talking about current events or the mark of the beast or any of that.

4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

The wise were different, they had an established practice of going to the Lord every morning, digging into the word of God for themselves. Everyday they were able to get fresh insight, fresh revelation from the word of God.

5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Maybe they were alert in the 1980s but since then they have "fallen asleep" while watching for the Lord's return.

6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

So this midnight cry would be the Revelation 12 sign seen on the Feast of Trumpets in 2017. Once you see the heavenly sign that indicates the Lord is coming you are to blow your trumpet. The word is actually "the day of shouting" or even "the day of the awakening shout". So everyone is shouting "the Lord is coming".

7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

All ten of these virgins have a word to say about the Lord's coming and so they trim the lamp. That means they cut off the charred portion. Maybe they thought "this generation" could mean a forty year period but now they are using Moses' word about it being 70 or 80 years. That is "cutting off the charred portion of the wick" and then lighting the lamp.

8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

But very quickly all they had from "88 reasons for 1988" or from Hal Lindsey or whatever, those sources run dry very quickly so now their channels run dry.

9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

So the channels quickly divide up into two groups, those who are getting a fresh word from the Bible every morning and those that are buying from those that sell. They invite speakers on, interviews, etc. It is hard to have something day in and day out for 9 years. You need a word to speak for every day and there are 3,000 days.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

This is the key word, those that were ready. What made them ready? They had an established practice of going to the Lord each day to get a fresh new word from the Lord, a practice that they have followed thousands of times.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

The key word here is afterward. What is happening recently is the use of AI. You couldn't do this in 2017, even in 2020 it was in an infant stage, but "afterwards", at the very end of the nine years we are seeing AI generated posts proliferating. You can go to AI and write a post to support or debunk anything. Get a report on bible verses that support the pre tribulation rapture, or debunk the Revelation 12 sign. It is easy. Now all of a sudden those foolish virgins can share way more words than the wise virgins. They are flooding social media with their posts.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

He doesn't say that anything they have posted is evil, or good. He simply says "I don't know you". They didn't go to Jesus, they didn't go to the incarnate word of God, they went to AI. They thought all their posts were helping, but the criteria for being invited to a wedding is not that you have written great reports, the criteria is that you know the two people getting married.

 

[Psalm1]

No.
The foolish ***bridesmaids*** (please check your Jewish wedding protocol) lamps HAD ZERO OIL.
Just a wick, and the wick will burn out in seconds!

[Mat 25:3 NKJV] 3 "Those who [were] foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,

There is absolutely nothing to indicate EITHER OF THOSE POINTS.
1) who came up with "bridesmaids"?
Where is some "bridesmaids" in the new testament teaching of Jesus and Paul? Vs believers? ...which is a no brainer.
2) the procession is the GROOM AND FRIENDS TO FETCH THE SLEEPING BRIDE.
NOT a procession of bridesmaids that magically appear, spending every night with the bride. ( strangely, a bride is missing in your model of the rapture)
3) the oil in the lamps of the foolish virgins is implied, then authenticated in the verse "our lamps have gone out" .


I mow properties with my mower.
In fact I am heading out soon to go work.
I will take my mower.
I will not be taking any gas.
" He took no gas"
"His mower died due to gas starvation"

Totally plausable, and anyone can understand.
THAT PROTOCAL IN NO WAY suggests the mower never haf gas in it.


"His mower died while mowing"
"My neighbor's car died while running an errand due to gas starvation"
That, IN NO WAY, is messaging, that the car/ or mower, NEVER HAD GAS.

Just THE OPPOSITE.
IT AUTHENTICATES that it did have gas in it, but RAN OUT.

BUT IN THE VIRGIN PARABLE, COMPONENTS , for some bizarre reason, must be changed.

 

[Psalm1]

Yes, I think we are onto something here.

So let's apply our own personal experience. Suppose in 2017 there was a wake up call, one by one Christians woke up to the fact that the Lord's return was very close as these prophecies are being fulfilled. They start Youtube channels, they start blogs, or they even start sharing on social media like Facebook or this forum. The five wise ones go to the Lord every morning and just like 1 Corinthians 14 says, one gets a Psalm, one gets teaching, one gets a revelation, another has a dream, or a vision, etc. And they are sharing those. Now the five foolish also do the same. They can remember their salvation experience, they remember this word they got from the Lord or this experience they had. But very quickly that runs out. What can they do? Then they get the bright idea, they can get a word from AI. They go to AI and give me a word about the "pre tribulation rapture" and again, they also are able to fill the airwaves with messages about this, that or the other thing. The five that had been going to the Lord every morning, they enter in at the door. But the five who were going to AI every morning, when they get to the door the Lord says "I don't know you". That doesn't mean their salvation experience wasn't true, it just means that during these years from 2017 to the present when their torches were supposed to light the way Jesus didn't know them and didn't know what they were doing. All that stuff they put up on the internet using AI, that wasn't light, the Lord doesn't know what that is.

The parable teaches they all had oil.
The ONLY difference is, the wise TOOK EXTRA OIL.
Oil is a type of The Holy Spirit .

It is inferred that imparting the oil to another is normal.
The parable teaches that AT HIS APPEARING, a person can not suddenly develop a neglected relationship with Jesus.
" I know you not" in the parable, is not "you are not saved".

It is "we are not intimate"

The church of laodicia had the same problem, with the same remedy.
Rev 3
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

(Mirrors the foolish virgins)
Buy gold
Buy oil.

The Holy Spirit is the game changer in both passages.

 

[cv5]

So let me go through the Parable with this insight applied.

Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

The parable begins with "then" or "at that time". This interpretation does not make any sense prior to the 2017 celestial sign. The "Then" here refers to the celestial sign in the heavens. The translation here says "the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins" but that is not what the Greek says. The Greek says it shall be likened to the kingdom of the heavens, not the kingdom of the heaven. But before 2017 no one understood how this parable would apply to the sun, moon and stars. It was the Revelation 12 sign that changes that.

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

So a bunch of Christians see this sign and they start sharing on social media, Facebook or on CC, youtube, etc.

3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

The foolish ones shared their salvation experience, maybe a couple of other experiences as well. But they didn't have the practice of going to the Lord every day to get fresh oil. Instead they got their oil from the Pastor and he wasn't talking about the Lord's soon return, he wasn't talking about current events or the mark of the beast or any of that.

4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

The wise were different, they had an established practice of going to the Lord every morning, digging into the word of God for themselves. Everyday they were able to get fresh insight, fresh revelation from the word of God.

5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Maybe they were alert in the 1980s but since then they have "fallen asleep" while watching for the Lord's return.

6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

So this midnight cry would be the Revelation 12 sign seen on the Feast of Trumpets in 2017. Once you see the heavenly sign that indicates the Lord is coming you are to blow your trumpet. The word is actually "the day of shouting" or even "the day of the awakening shout". So everyone is shouting "the Lord is coming".

7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

All ten of these virgins have a word to say about the Lord's coming and so they trim the lamp. That means they cut off the charred portion. Maybe they thought "this generation" could mean a forty year period but now they are using Moses' word about it being 70 or 80 years. That is "cutting off the charred portion of the wick" and then lighting the lamp.

8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

But very quickly all they had from "88 reasons for 1988" or from Hal Lindsey or whatever, those sources run dry very quickly so now their channels run dry.

9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

So the channels quickly divide up into two groups, those who are getting a fresh word from the Bible every morning and those that are buying from those that sell. They invite speakers on, interviews, etc. It is hard to have something day in and day out for 9 years. You need a word to speak for every day and there are 3,000 days.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

This is the key word, those that were ready. What made them ready? They had an established practice of going to the Lord each day to get a fresh new word from the Lord, a practice that they have followed thousands of times.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

The key word here is afterward. What is happening recently is the use of AI. You couldn't do this in 2017, even in 2020 it was in an infant stage, but "afterwards", at the very end of the nine years we are seeing AI generated posts proliferating. You can go to AI and write a post to support or debunk anything. Get a report on bible verses that support the pre tribulation rapture, or debunk the Revelation 12 sign. It is easy. Now all of a sudden those foolish virgins can share way more words than the wise virgins. They are flooding social media with their posts.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

He doesn't say that anything they have posted is evil, or good. He simply says "I don't know you". They didn't go to Jesus, they didn't go to the incarnate word of God, they went to AI. They thought all their posts were helping, but the criteria for being invited to a wedding is not that you have written great reports, the criteria is that you know the two people getting married.

"This interpretation does not make any sense prior to the 2017 celestial sign."
"Suppose in 2017 there was a wake up call, "

Garbage in garbage out.
You are still clinging to that preposterous and debunked "celestial prophecy".

 

[cv5]

The parable teaches they all had oil.

Mat 25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Nope. The text only says that all took torches. And probably bone dry, zero oil.

Mat 25:3
They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4
But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

Clearly the lesson here is that for the foolish, the torches were for "display purposes only".
And would be totally ineffective in actual use. And they certainly knew it.

It is my opinion that the foolish bridesmaids never did think that they would ACTUALLY be used, because they never BELIEVED that the Husband and Wife would be returning......ever.


1Pe 1:1
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2Pe 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

2Pe 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2Pe 3:4
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Yes. According to Arnold Fruchtenbaum, 1 Peter is addressing Jewish believers—specifically, believing Jews living in the Diaspora.
Yes. According to Arnold Fruchtenbaum, 2 Peter is addressed to Jewish believers.


Fruchtenbaum takes the wording of 1 Peter 1:1 quite literally:

• “Strangers/sojourners” — Greek parepidēmois, temporary residents or resident aliens.
• “Scattered” — Greek diasporas, “dispersion,” a term commonly used for Jewish people living outside the land of Israel.
• Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia were regions of Asia Minor containing established Jewish communities.

Fruchtenbaum therefore identifies the recipients as “the Remnant of Israel; the Jewish believers of that day.” He also connects Peter’s audience with Peter’s particular apostleship:

“Peter was a minister to the Jews … so he writes to the dispersed Jews.”

This accords with Galatians 2:7–9, where Peter is entrusted with the gospel ministry directed particularly toward the circumcision, whereas Paul’s principal commission was toward the Gentiles.


However, 2 Peter 1:1 alone does not explicitly identify the recipients as Jews. Fruchtenbaum’s conclusion rests chiefly on the continuity between the two Petrine epistles:

“This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you.”
—2 Peter 3:1

Since Fruchtenbaum understands 1 Peter as addressed to Jewish believers of the Diaspora, he understands 2 Peter as Peter’s second letter to essentially the same Jewish believing audience. Fruchtenbaum therefore classifies both books as Messianic Jewish Epistles.

 

[cv5]

(Mirrors the foolish virgins)
Buy gold
Buy oil.

The foolish virgins bought oil? No, they did not. That opportunity had passed. Because you see, they FOOLISHLY thought that they would never need the oil.

" I know you not" in the parable, is not "you are not saved".

Depart from me is saved? I don't think so.

[Mat 25:12 KJV] 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

[Mat 7:21-23 KJV]
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Parallel Biblical Passages
The concept that God "knows" His people (and does not know the wicked) is a consistent theme throughout Scripture. Here are the primary parallel passages that echo this exact sentiment:

1. The Narrow Door
Luke 13:25-27 (KJV): "When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are... But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity."
Connection: This is the most direct parallel to Matthew 7, demonstrating that physical proximity to Jesus (eating and drinking in His presence) or outward familiarity is entirely insufficient for entry into His kingdom.

2. The Good Shepherd
John 10:14, 27 (KJV): "I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine... My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"
Connection: Jesus contrasts those He rejects with those He saves by using the exact same framework of "knowing." Here, knowing equates to belonging, protection, and mutual recognition.

3. The Mark of True Love for God
1 Corinthians 8:3 (KJV): "But if any man love God, the same is known of him."
Connection: The Apostle Paul reinforces that being "known" by God is the ultimate mark of a genuine believer, and this status is directly tied to a sincere love for God rather than just possessing spiritual knowledge.

4. The Foundation of God
2 Timothy 2:19 (KJV): "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
Connection: This verse captures both halves of Jesus' warning in Matthew 7: God intimately identifies those who belong to Him, and those who truly belong to Him are commanded to depart from "iniquity" (lawlessness).

5. The Way of the Righteous
Psalm 1:6 (KJV): "For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish."
Connection: Serving as an Old Testament foundation for Jesus' words, this psalm shows that God's "knowledge" of a person's path implies His active blessing, approval, and relational care, which the ungodly completely lack.

 

[ZNP]

"This interpretation does not make any sense prior to the 2017 celestial sign."
"Suppose in 2017 there was a wake up call, "

Garbage in garbage out.
You are still clinging to that preposterous and debunked "celestial prophecy".

It wasn't debunked, your "astronomer" was a fool. He thought that Jupiter being in the womb for a month qualified for this sign and it doesn't. I have shown you that in the last 2,000 years the only time that Virgo was clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, crowned with 12 starts and in labor to give birth to Jupiter in her womb for 9 months was in 2017. Quoting a community college professor doesn't change that. Stellarium is there for all to use, free of charge, anyone can check this for themselves. The only ones refusing to do so while still claiming the sign has been debunked are either lazy or evil.

 

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It wasn't debunked, your "astronomer" was a fool. He thought that Jupiter being in the womb for a month qualified for this sign and it doesn't. I have shown you that in the last 2,000 years the only time that Virgo was clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, crowned with 12 starts and in labor to give birth to Jupiter in her womb for 9 months was in 2017. Quoting a community college professor doesn't change that. Stellarium is there for all to use, free of charge, anyone can check this for themselves. The only ones refusing to do so while still claiming the sign has been debunked are either lazy or evil.

The 2017 “Revelation 12 sign” was not discovered in the biblical text. It was constructed by imposing a modern Stellarium graphic—and pagan planetary symbolism—upon the text.

First, Revelation 12 never says “Virgo,” “Leo,” or “Jupiter.” It describes a symbolic woman, a male child, and a dragon. Scripture itself identifies the male child: He is the one who will “rule all nations with a rod of iron” (Revelation 12:5), language taken directly from the Messianic Psalm 2:9 and applied explicitly to Christ in Revelation 19:15. The child is Jesus Christ—not the planet Jupiter.

Likewise, the woman’s sun, moon, and stars come from Scripture, not from a Babylonian zodiac chart. In Joseph’s dream, the sun, moon, and eleven stars represent Jacob, Rachel, and the sons of Israel (Genesis 37:9–10). Revelation’s crown of twelve stars therefore naturally represents the twelve tribes. The woman is Israel, the nation that brought forth the Messiah, fled into the wilderness, and will be preserved for 1,260 days. John supplied his own biblical interpretive framework. There is no exegetical reason to replace Israel with the pagan constellation Virgo.

Second, the supposed “twelve-star crown” is arbitrary. The theory claims that Leo contains exactly nine stars, to which Mercury, Venus, and Mars are added. But Leo does not have an objectively defined nine-star outline. Ptolemy catalogued 27 stars in Leo; other charts connect ten, eleven, thirteen, or still other numbers. Stellarium merely chooses nine particular stars for one optional stick-figure outline. Turn off that artwork, count another visible star, or use another traditional outline, and the alleged twelve-star crown disappears. The prophecy therefore depends upon a software designer’s graphical preference, not upon anything God placed uniquely in the heavens.

Third, the ordinary components recur regularly. The sun passes through Virgo every year. The moon passes the supposed feet of Virgo every month, producing the basic sun–Virgo–moon arrangement annually. Jupiter passes through Virgo approximately every twelve years. These are predictable consequences of ordinary planetary orbits, not unique celestial events.

Fourth, the broader arrangement was not unique to 2017. Christopher Graney used the very software ZNP invokes—Stellarium—and found substantially similar configurations in September 1056, 1293, 1483, and 1827, searching only the preceding millennium. Danny Faulkner independently discussed these earlier occurrences. Therefore, “anyone can check Stellarium” is not an answer; checking Stellarium is precisely how the claim of uniqueness was disproved.

Fifth, Jupiter was not literally confined to a clearly defined “womb” for a human pregnancy. Constellations possess no natural anatomical boundaries. The location of Virgo’s womb exists only in the superimposed artistic figure chosen by the software. Jupiter’s apparent retrograde loop resulted from the normal relative motions of Earth and Jupiter. Calling this a nine-month pregnancy is an interpretive analogy imposed after the fact, not an astronomical measurement specified by Revelation.

Sixth, the complete alleged sign could not actually be observed as depicted. With the sun in Virgo, Virgo’s stars were overwhelmed by daylight. The moon and planets were not all visibly assembled in one simultaneous nighttime tableau. The spectacular picture circulated online existed principally on computer screens with daylight suppressed, constellation artwork added, planets enlarged, and imaginary connecting lines displayed.

Finally, your accusation that dissenters are “lazy or evil” substitutes abuse for demonstration. A proposition does not become biblical because Stellarium can depict it. To establish his interpretation, he must prove from Scripture that:

1. the woman is the constellation Virgo;
2. Jupiter represents either Christ or the Church;
3. Leo must be counted as exactly nine stars;
4. three planets may be counted as additional crown stars;
5. the software artwork defines Virgo’s womb and feet;
6. the arrangement was unique;
7. and Revelation 12 predicts an event in September 2017.

He cannot establish any of those propositions from the text. The theory is not exegesis. It is a collection of discretionary correspondences assembled around an ordinary astronomical configuration.

John did not need Babylonian celestial mechanics to compose Revelation 12. He needed Genesis 37, Psalm 2, Israel’s history, and the revelation given to him by the Holy Spirit. The interpretive key is Scripture—not astrology software.

 

[Psalm1]

The foolish virgins bought oil? No, they did not. That opportunity had passed. Because you see, they FOOLISHLY thought that they would never need the oil.

Depart from me is saved? I don't think so.

[Mat 25:12 KJV] 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

[Mat 7:21-23 KJV]
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Parallel Biblical Passages
The concept that God "knows" His people (and does not know the wicked) is a consistent theme throughout Scripture. Here are the primary parallel passages that echo this exact sentiment:

1. The Narrow Door
Luke 13:25-27 (KJV): "When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are... But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity."
Connection: This is the most direct parallel to Matthew 7, demonstrating that physical proximity to Jesus (eating and drinking in His presence) or outward familiarity is entirely insufficient for entry into His kingdom.

2. The Good Shepherd
John 10:14, 27 (KJV): "I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine... My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"
Connection: Jesus contrasts those He rejects with those He saves by using the exact same framework of "knowing." Here, knowing equates to belonging, protection, and mutual recognition.

3. The Mark of True Love for God
1 Corinthians 8:3 (KJV): "But if any man love God, the same is known of him."
Connection: The Apostle Paul reinforces that being "known" by God is the ultimate mark of a genuine believer, and this status is directly tied to a sincere love for God rather than just possessing spiritual knowledge.

4. The Foundation of God
2 Timothy 2:19 (KJV): "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
Connection: This verse captures both halves of Jesus' warning in Matthew 7: God intimately identifies those who belong to Him, and those who truly belong to Him are commanded to depart from "iniquity" (lawlessness).

5. The Way of the Righteous
Psalm 1:6 (KJV): "For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish."
Connection: Serving as an Old Testament foundation for Jesus' words, this psalm shows that God's "knowledge" of a person's path implies His active blessing, approval, and relational care, which the ungodly completely lack.

You changed it to "i never knew you."
It does not say that.

Mary did not "know a man" she was a virgin, and "know" means intimate.
Not that she had never met a man.

Intimacy is implied in the parable.
The wise had intimacy with the groom.
The foolish were carnal believers.

The parable is a 100% perfect and beautiful picture of the rapture. A vivid picture of groom coming for his bride. The bride is part of the church but the church is not necessarily the bride.
The carnal believers stay as depicted in Matthew 24.
( exact same percentage taken and left in the same breath by Jesus, and the "intimate ones" or the, "wise ones", go in the rapture, pre 7 yr Tribulation

 

[Psalm1]

The foolish virgins bought oil? No, they did not. That opportunity had passed. Because you see, they FOOLISHLY thought that they would never need the oil.

Depart from me is saved? I don't think so.

[Mat 25:12 KJV] 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

[Mat 7:21-23 KJV]
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Parallel Biblical Passages
The concept that God "knows" His people (and does not know the wicked) is a consistent theme throughout Scripture. Here are the primary parallel passages that echo this exact sentiment:

1. The Narrow Door
Luke 13:25-27 (KJV): "When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are... But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity."
Connection: This is the most direct parallel to Matthew 7, demonstrating that physical proximity to Jesus (eating and drinking in His presence) or outward familiarity is entirely insufficient for entry into His kingdom.

2. The Good Shepherd
John 10:14, 27 (KJV): "I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine... My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"
Connection: Jesus contrasts those He rejects with those He saves by using the exact same framework of "knowing." Here, knowing equates to belonging, protection, and mutual recognition.

3. The Mark of True Love for God
1 Corinthians 8:3 (KJV): "But if any man love God, the same is known of him."
Connection: The Apostle Paul reinforces that being "known" by God is the ultimate mark of a genuine believer, and this status is directly tied to a sincere love for God rather than just possessing spiritual knowledge.

4. The Foundation of God
2 Timothy 2:19 (KJV): "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
Connection: This verse captures both halves of Jesus' warning in Matthew 7: God intimately identifies those who belong to Him, and those who truly belong to Him are commanded to depart from "iniquity" (lawlessness).

5. The Way of the Righteous
Psalm 1:6 (KJV): "For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish."
Connection: Serving as an Old Testament foundation for Jesus' words, this psalm shows that God's "knowledge" of a person's path implies His active blessing, approval, and relational care, which the ungodly completely lack.

Mat 25
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh

you changed it to "depart from me"

So you have made 4 changes to the parable so far.

 

[cv5]

You changed it to "i never knew you."
It does not say that.

Mary did not "know a man" she was a virgin, and "know" means intimate.
Not that she had never met a man.

Intimacy is implied in the parable.
The wise had intimacy with the groom.
The foolish were carnal believers.

The parable is a 100% perfect and beautiful picture of the rapture. A vivid picture of groom coming for his bride. The bride is part of the church but the church is not necessarily the bride.
The carnal believers stay as depicted in Matthew 24.
( exact same percentage taken and left in the same breath by Jesus, and the "intimate ones" or the, "wise ones", go in the rapture, pre 7 yr Tribulation

[Mat 25:12 KJV] 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

The "departing" follows inevitably. Check the parallel passages.

 

[cv5]

Mat 25
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh

you changed it to "depart from me"

So you have made 4 changes to the parable so far.

No, I changed nothing. I simply added the necessary parallel passages directly from Scripture to indicate the inevitable effect of "not knowing".

[Mat 7:21-23 KJV]
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Psalm1]

The foolish virgins bought oil? No, they did not. That opportunity had passed. Because you see, they FOOLISHLY thought that they would never need the oil.

Depart from me is saved? I don't think so.

[Mat 25:12 KJV] 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

[Mat 7:21-23 KJV]
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Parallel Biblical Passages
The concept that God "knows" His people (and does not know the wicked) is a consistent theme throughout Scripture. Here are the primary parallel passages that echo this exact sentiment:

1. The Narrow Door
Luke 13:25-27 (KJV): "When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are... But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity."
Connection: This is the most direct parallel to Matthew 7, demonstrating that physical proximity to Jesus (eating and drinking in His presence) or outward familiarity is entirely insufficient for entry into His kingdom.

2. The Good Shepherd
John 10:14, 27 (KJV): "I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine... My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"
Connection: Jesus contrasts those He rejects with those He saves by using the exact same framework of "knowing." Here, knowing equates to belonging, protection, and mutual recognition.

3. The Mark of True Love for God
1 Corinthians 8:3 (KJV): "But if any man love God, the same is known of him."
Connection: The Apostle Paul reinforces that being "known" by God is the ultimate mark of a genuine believer, and this status is directly tied to a sincere love for God rather than just possessing spiritual knowledge.

4. The Foundation of God
2 Timothy 2:19 (KJV): "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
Connection: This verse captures both halves of Jesus' warning in Matthew 7: God intimately identifies those who belong to Him, and those who truly belong to Him are commanded to depart from "iniquity" (lawlessness).

5. The Way of the Righteous
Psalm 1:6 (KJV): "For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish."
Connection: Serving as an Old Testament foundation for Jesus' words, this psalm shows that God's "knowledge" of a person's path implies His active blessing, approval, and relational care, which the ungodly completely lack.

Quote
"The foolish virgins bought oil? No, they did not. That opportunity had passed. Because you see, they FOOLISHLY thought that they would never need the oil."】
Reread it

Matthew 25
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

They went and got oil.
That can not be disputed.
So it goes to what I was saying.
They were lacking intimacy.
Intimacy is cultivated, not a "patch it up last minute,, and never mind they lived carnal lives"
Wise virgins= intimate, on fire, sold out, believers.
Foolish VIRGINS = Saved but carnal...as Paul, and Jesus describes.

 

[cv5]

You changed it to "i never knew you."
It does not say that.

Mary did not "know a man" she was a virgin, and "know" means intimate.
Not that she had never met a man.

Intimacy is implied in the parable.
The wise had intimacy with the groom.
The foolish were carnal believers.

The parable is a 100% perfect and beautiful picture of the rapture. A vivid picture of groom coming for his bride. The bride is part of the church but the church is not necessarily the bride.
The carnal believers stay as depicted in Matthew 24.
( exact same percentage taken and left in the same breath by Jesus, and the "intimate ones" or the, "wise ones", go in the rapture, pre 7 yr Tribulation

Good grief man, the rapture is a fait accompli at least 7 years prior.
There is no time to trim torches, add oil to torches, or busy oneself with ANY activity after the harpazo SHOUT/TRUMPET, because the translation occurs instantaneously.

In this parable, the SHOUT spurs the virgins into frenetic activity. Which of course matches the Hebrew wedding sequence to perfection. This is post-rapture and we are now preparing for step 12, the final step, the WEDDING FEAST upon the earth.

 

[Psalm1]

[Mat 25:12 KJV] 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

The "departing" follows inevitably. Check the parallel passages.

No doubt you changed it though.
It DOES NOT AT ALL SAY THAT.

The 7 letters to the 7 churches have.
Things that need fixing and things that displease the Lord.
He tells them what the consequences are. But he doesn't say, "now You have Lost your salvation".

you need to study the 3 classes of Believers that Paul taught.
Carnal
babies
Mature/ spiritual.

the Lord says "I scourge every son that I receive"
Believers are not judged in heaven, they are saved and have the blood covering them.
They are judged in this life.
Very basic study.

The apostle Paul said of one Carnal believer, in heavy duty sin,. "I have turned such a one over to satan, for the destruction of the flesh. So that in the end he might be saved"

See the heart of God.
Redemption.
the foolish stay for the tribulation.
They are seen un heaven martyred as the innumerable.
billions, most likely, that missed the pretrib rapture.