The Parable of the Ten Virgins does not refer to the church

[GWH]

This entire disagreement is due to ignorance of the key verses: Matt. 25:10-12 & 7:21-23.
Come together, right now, over these!

 

[ZNP]

So, in your mind, are the “priests” who serve the Bride not the Bride?

In my mind one person can be a father, a ceo, a husband, a son, a brother, etc. We are servants of the Lord, we are priests to God and we are the Bride. Peter was told to feed the Lord's sheep and feed His lambs. If the sheep are God's people was Peter a shepherd or a sheep?

The book of Enoch says very clearly who the 144,000 people are and the best analogy to them is Enoch himself. They are the ones who received the word of God and held onto it despite attacks, and walked according to it.

The book of Enoch is quoted by the New Testament and the 144,000 should be seen as one of the quotes. In Jude where he says Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

In the book of Enoch it actually says twelve times twelve thousands. So the actual quote here should be "Behold the Lord cometh with 144,000"

 

[Psalm1]

Mat 25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Nope. The text only says that all took torches. And probably bone dry, zero oil.

Mat 25:3
They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4
But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

Clearly the lesson here is that for the foolish, the torches were for "display purposes only".
And would be totally ineffective in actual use. And they certainly knew it.

It is my opinion that the foolish bridesmaids never did think that they would ACTUALLY be used, because they never BELIEVED that the Husband and Wife would be returning......ever.


1Pe 1:1
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2Pe 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

2Pe 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2Pe 3:4
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Yes. According to Arnold Fruchtenbaum, 1 Peter is addressing Jewish believers—specifically, believing Jews living in the Diaspora.
Yes. According to Arnold Fruchtenbaum, 2 Peter is addressed to Jewish believers.


Fruchtenbaum takes the wording of 1 Peter 1:1 quite literally:

• “Strangers/sojourners” — Greek parepidēmois, temporary residents or resident aliens.
• “Scattered” — Greek diasporas, “dispersion,” a term commonly used for Jewish people living outside the land of Israel.
• Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia were regions of Asia Minor containing established Jewish communities.

Fruchtenbaum therefore identifies the recipients as “the Remnant of Israel; the Jewish believers of that day.” He also connects Peter’s audience with Peter’s particular apostleship:




This accords with Galatians 2:7–9, where Peter is entrusted with the gospel ministry directed particularly toward the circumcision, whereas Paul’s principal commission was toward the Gentiles.


However, 2 Peter 1:1 alone does not explicitly identify the recipients as Jews. Fruchtenbaum’s conclusion rests chiefly on the continuity between the two Petrine epistles:




Since Fruchtenbaum understands 1 Peter as addressed to Jewish believers of the Diaspora, he understands 2 Peter as Peter’s second letter to essentially the same Jewish believing audience. Fruchtenbaum therefore classifies both books as Messianic Jewish Epistles.

By leaving out "our lamps have gone out", then building an interpretation off of omission, you are making the parable say, "the foolish never had oil."

You left a component out that totally disproves everything you are teaching.

 

[cv5]

Good grief man, the ten virgins with torches are for a midnight procession for the bride. They lead the bride, not follow her. What is the point of having a torch lit parade for the bride and groom if they are not there? VIP 999 stick war

Mat 25:6
And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Good grief, the ten virgins do not fetch the Bride, do not represent the Church, and do not participate in the Rapture. The Groom has already fetched the Bride and is returning to his own home with her. The virgins go out to meet that approaching bridal party and accompany it into the celebration. Thus, nobody claims that a torch parade occurs without the Bride and Groom present. They are present—the virgins simply join them during the return procession rather than leading the Bride from her original home.

The ten virgins are not the Bride, are not members of the Church being raptured, and do not lead the Bride from her home to the Father’s house.


The Biblical sequence is explicit:

1. The Groom first goes to fetch the Bride.
2. The Groom returns toward his own home with the Bride already accompanying him.
3. The virgins then go out to meet the returning wedding party.

“The groom had left and he is now coming back with the bride. The virgins in this parable do not represent the Church. The virgins go out to meet the groom as he is returning to his home with the bride.”

Then distinguish this procession from its prophetic application:

• Fetching the Bride = the Rapture of the Church.
• Bride = the Church.
• Marriage ceremony = in heaven, shortly before the Second Coming.
• Marriage feast = on earth, inaugurating the Messianic Kingdom.
• Other invited participants = Old Testament saints, Tribulation saints, and believing Israel—not the Bride herself.

 

[Psalm1]

Good grief man, the rapture is a fait accompli at least 7 years prior.
There is no time to trim torches, add oil to torches, or busy oneself with ANY activity after the harpazo SHOUT/TRUMPET, because the translation occurs instantaneously.

In this parable, the SHOUT spurs the virgins into frenetic activity. Which of course matches the Hebrew wedding sequence to perfection. This is post-rapture and we are now preparing for step 12, the final step, the WEDDING FEAST upon the earth.

The setting is not at the end of the 7 yr tribulation.
At the end of the 7yr tribulation, Jesus does not come and take the bride to heaven for the marriage.

 

[ZNP]

Mat 25:6
And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Good grief, the ten virgins do not fetch the Bride, do not represent the Church, and do not participate in the Rapture. The Groom has already fetched the Bride and is returning to his own home with her. The virgins go out to meet that approaching bridal party and accompany it into the celebration. Thus, nobody claims that a torch parade occurs without the Bride and Groom present. They are present—the virgins simply join them during the return procession rather than leading the Bride from her original home.

The ten virgins are not the Bride, are not members of the Church being raptured, and do not lead the Bride from her home to the Father’s house.


The Biblical sequence is explicit:

1. The Groom first goes to fetch the Bride.
2. The Groom returns toward his own home with the Bride already accompanying him.
3. The virgins then go out to meet the returning wedding party.

Then distinguish this procession from its prophetic application:

• Fetching the Bride = the Rapture of the Church.
• Bride = the Church.
• Marriage ceremony = in heaven, shortly before the Second Coming.
• Marriage feast = on earth, inaugurating the Messianic Kingdom.
• Other invited participants = Old Testament saints, Tribulation saints, and believing Israel—not the Bride herself.

Jesus public return is in Great glory, not at midnight. It is something the whole world will see, just as lightning flashes in the east and shines to the west. If you wanted to give it a time of day it would be Noon, not midnight. The cry is not "Jesus is here!" the cry is "the Bridegroom cometh". He is on His way. This cry is for those who love the Lord to have a chance to wake up and meet Him. The midnight cry is not the rapture. That takes place at the very beginning or prior to the seventieth week. That would be the "dawning of the day".

If we look at the Passover week, you have the midnight cry in the night when the soldiers arrest Jesus. This wakes up the disciples who were sleeping. You have the "rapture event" in the morning when the "cock crows", that is when those who are denying the Lord is about to come are caught with the words having just come out of their mouth, just like Peter denying the Lord. The scourging and nailing Jesus to the cross and the sun being darkened for three hours, and the cry "my God, my God, why have you forsaken me" and the earthquake, this is all like the day of the rapture for those left behind. Three days of darkness refer to three days in the tomb.

 

[cv5]

By leaving out "our lamps have gone out", then building an interpretation off of omission, you are making the parable say, "the foolish never had oil."

You left a component out that totally disproves everything you are teaching.

I just tested your theory:
I wrapped the end of a twig with a piece of dry toilet paper, applied a Bic lighter to it, and it did in fact ignite.
And then in less than 15 seconds, it burned itself out and went dark.

I am quite sure that if I soaked it in olive oil before ignition, it would have lasted for quite a long time, probably at least 100 times as long.

 

[Psalm1]

Mat 25:6
And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Good grief, the ten virgins do not fetch the Bride, do not represent the Church, and do not participate in the Rapture. The Groom has already fetched the Bride and is returning to his own home with her. The virgins go out to meet that approaching bridal party and accompany it into the celebration. Thus, nobody claims that a torch parade occurs without the Bride and Groom present. They are present—the virgins simply join them during the return procession rather than leading the Bride from her original home.

The ten virgins are not the Bride, are not members of the Church being raptured, and do not lead the Bride from her home to the Father’s house.


The Biblical sequence is explicit:

1. The Groom first goes to fetch the Bride.
2. The Groom returns toward his own home with the Bride already accompanying him.
3. The virgins then go out to meet the returning wedding party.

Then distinguish this procession from its prophetic application:

• Fetching the Bride = the Rapture of the Church.
• Bride = the Church.
• Marriage ceremony = in heaven, shortly before the Second Coming.
• Marriage feast = on earth, inaugurating the Messianic Kingdom.
• Other invited participants = Old Testament saints, Tribulation saints, and believing Israel—not the Bride herself.

The 10 virgins and a groom, and a wedding.
The groom fetches the virgins tobthe wedding.
The setting is pretrib

You= nope it is nothing of the kind.

 

[cv5]

The setting is not at the end of the 7 yr tribulation.
At the end of the 7yr tribulation, Jesus does not come and take the bride to heaven for the marriage.

You sound confused. Let me help you:
Matthew 25 concatenates with the preparatory vicissitudes of step #12, not #10.
NOT the Nissuin (נִישּׂוּאִין) – Taking the Bride.

The 12 Steps of the Hebrew Wedding Pattern

Shiddukh (שִׁדּוּךְ) – Arrangement / Match

The match is arranged between families.

Example often cited: the bride chosen for Isaac in Genesis 24.

Mohar (מֹהַר) – Bride Price

The groom pays the price for the bride.

Example: Jacob serving years to obtain Rachel.

Ketubah (כְּתוּבָּה) – Marriage Covenant / Contract

A written covenant agreement defining obligations.

Parallels this with the covenant given in Exodus 19–24.

Kiddushin / Erusin (קִדּוּשִׁין / אֵרוּסִין) – Betrothal

The bride becomes set apart for the groom.

The couple is legally bound though not yet living together.

Kos HaBrit (כּוֹס הַבְּרִית) – Cup of the Covenant

The covenant is sealed by sharing the cup.

Acceptance of the marriage agreement.

Mattan (מַתָּן) – Gifts to the Bride

The groom gives bridal gifts demonstrating commitment and provision.

Mikveh (מִקְוֶה) – Ritual Immersion

The bride undergoes ceremonial purification.

Symbol of cleansing and preparation.

Hachanat HaKallah (הֲכָנַת הַכַּלָּה) – Preparation of the Bride

The kallah (bride) prepares herself during the betrothal period.

She must remain ready for the groom.

Teruʿat HaShofar / HaKri'ah (תְּרוּעַת הַשּׁוֹפָר) – Announcement of the Groom

The groom’s arrival is announced with a shout or trumpet.

The bridal party prepares.

Nissuin (נִישּׂוּאִין) – Taking the Bride

The groom comes suddenly and takes the bride to the father’s house.

This completes the marriage legally.

Chuppah (חֻפָּה) – Bridal Chamber / Canopy

The couple enters the chuppah, symbolizing the consummation and union.

Traditionally associated with a seven-day bridal chamber period.

Seudat Nissuin (סְעוּדַת נִישּׂוּאִין) – Wedding Feast

The marriage supper or celebratory banquet with guests.

Condensed List

Shiddukh – match arrangement

Mohar – bride price

Ketubah – marriage covenant

Kiddushin / Erusin – betrothal

Kos HaBrit – covenant cup

Mattan – bridal gifts

Mikveh – ritual immersion

Hachanat HaKallah – bride preparation

Teruʿat HaShofar – announcement

Nissuin – taking the bride

Chuppah – bridal chamber

Seudat Nissuin – wedding feast

 

[Psalm1]

I just tested your theory:
I wrapped the end of a twig with a piece of dry toilet paper, applied a Bic lighter to it, and it did in fact ignite.
And then in less than 15 seconds, it burned itself out and went dark.

I am quite sure that if I soaked it in olive oil before ignition, it would have lasted for quite a long time, probably at least 100 times as long.

So now you are implying, that their dry cloth on a stick burned all the way down to just a stick, (" OUR LAMPS HAVE GONE OUT"), and so they actually needed new cloth AND oil.

See how a dead end is played out to eliminate a bad interpretation?

"TRIMMED THEIR LAMPS"
Apply that one to cloth on a stick.
It also eliminates "sticks with cloth"

You also are assuming the "torches" were reusable.

 

[cv5]

The 10 virgins and a groom, and a wedding.
The groom fetches the virgins tobthe wedding.
The setting is pretrib

You= nope it is nothing of the kind.

You say 10 brides huh? Tragic, wrong, and frankly awful.

1. The ten virgins are wedding attendants, not ten brides​

The Greek expression is:

δέκα παρθένοι (deka parthenoi) — “ten virgins” or “ten unmarried young women.”

The noun parthenos does not intrinsically mean “bridesmaid”; its basic meaning is “virgin” or “maiden.” Their role in the narrative, however, identifies them as wedding attendants:

• They carry lamps or torches.
• They wait together for the bridegroom.
• They receive an announcement of his approach.
• They go out to meet him.
• Those properly prepared accompany him into the wedding celebration.

That is why many modern translations render the functional sense as “bridesmaids.” They are young women serving the approaching wedding party, not women individually marrying the same man

The decisive grammatical observation​

Matthew says:

“Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.”
—Matthew 25:6

The ten women are grammatically and dramatically placed opposite the bridegroom as the group that goes out to meet him. They are not described as waiting for “their husband,” being presented to him, being married to him, or becoming his wives.


The verb translated “meet” is ἀπάντησις—apantēsis, used for going out to greet an arriving person and accompanying him onward. The women constitute the receiving party, not ten prospective wives.


The most obvious comparison is John 3:29:

“He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly.”

Biblical wedding imagery distinguishes:

• the bridegroom;
• the bride;
• the bridegroom’s friends or attendants;
• the invited guests.

Matthew 25 concerns the last categories. The bride need not occupy a speaking role in every wedding parable. In Matthew 22, the king, son, servants, and guests dominate the story; the bride is not mentioned at all. Parables regularly omit elements irrelevant to their particular lesson.

 

[cv5]

So now you are implying, that their dry cloth on a stick burned all the way down to just a stick, (" OUR LAMPS HAVE GONE OUT"), and so they actually needed new cloth AND oil.

See how a dead end is played out to eliminate a bad interpretation?

"TRIMMED THEIR LAMPS"
Apply that one to cloth on a stick.
It also eliminates "sticks with cloth"

You also are assuming the "torches" were reusable.

Do you need to conduct the experiment yourself before you believe it?

 

[cv5]

The 10 virgins and a groom, and a wedding.
The groom fetches the virgins tobthe wedding.
The setting is pretrib

You= nope it is nothing of the kind.

1. Ten brides is textually and morally absurd​

To interpret the ten virgins as ten brides would transform the parable into a mass polygamous marriage without a single textual indication that Jesus intended such a thing.


That interpretation would require all of the following unstated propositions:

1. One bridegroom is marrying ten women simultaneously.
2. Five of his intended wives fail to obtain sufficient lamp oil.
3. He marries only the five who happened to be prepared.
4. The other five later address their supposed husband as “Lord, Lord.”
5. The groom responds to his own proposed brides, “I know you not.”

Nothing in the passage supports that reconstruction.

“I know you not” is fatal to the ten-brides theory​

The foolish virgins say:

“Lord, Lord, open to us.”

He answers:

“Verily I say unto you, I know you not.”

A bridegroom does not arrive to marry ten women, admit five as wives, and then announce that he does not even know the other five. That is not a wedding arrangement. It is a judicial exclusion scene.


The phrase parallels other passages of final exclusion:

“I never knew you: depart from me.”
—Matthew 7:23

The point is not that five brides were late for their own wedding. The point is that outward association with the kingdom does not guarantee admission into it.

Scripture’s controlling marriage pattern is singular​

The foundational marriage text declares:

“A man shall leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”
—Genesis 2:24

Jesus expressly reaffirms this pattern:

“They twain shall be one flesh.”
—Matthew 19:5

Paul applies that singular union to Christ and the Church:

“I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.”
—2 Corinthians 11:2

Notice the corporate singular:

• one husband;
• a chaste virgin;
• one corporate Church presented to Christ.

Likewise:

“Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it.”
—Ephesians 5:25

And:

“The marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.”
—Revelation 19:7

Revelation then carefully distinguishes the Bride from the invited participants:

“Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb.”
—Revelation 19:9

The wife is not identical to everyone invited to the supper. There is one corporate Bride, while others attend as guests or attendants. Scripture consistently presents Christ’s redeemed corporate counterpart as the Bride, singular—not ten independent brides.


Calling the ten virgins “ten brides” therefore does not merely offer a different interpretation. It destroys the parable’s social roles and clashes with the controlling biblical metaphor of one Bride for one Bridegroom.

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2. Matthew 25:6–11 cannot portray the instantaneous Harpazo​

The Rapture is described as a sudden divine transformation and removal:

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.”
—1 Corinthians 15:52

“Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds.”
—1 Thessalonians 4:17

The verb ἁρπάζω—harpazō means to seize, catch up, or carry away forcibly or suddenly. The subjects are caught up by divine power. They do not organize a torch procession, purchase supplies, or walk into a banquet hall.


Matthew 25:6–11 contains an extended sequence:

1. A midnight announcement is made.
2. All ten women awaken.
3. All ten prepare their lamps.
4. The foolish discover their oil shortage.
5. They ask the wise to share.
6. The wise decline.
7. The foolish leave to locate sellers.
8. The bridegroom arrives during their absence.
9. The prepared attendants accompany him.
10. They enter the wedding celebration.
11. A door is shut.
12. The foolish women return later.
13. They request admission.
14. The bridegroom verbally rejects them.

That sequence requires ordinary elapsed time. It includes awakening, conversation, inspection of lamps, debate over oil, travel to purchase it, the groom’s arrival, entrance into a venue, shutting a door, and the later return of the excluded group.


It cannot be compressed into:

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.”

The virgins are not snatched away​

At the Harpazo:

• Christ descends;
• the dead in Christ rise;
• living believers are transformed;
• both groups are caught up;
• the entire Church meets the Lord in the air.

In Matthew 25:

• nobody is resurrected;
• nobody is transformed;
• nobody is caught into the air;
• no deceased believers appear;
• no trumpet of God is mentioned;
• some participants leave to shop;
• the prepared group walks or accompanies the groom into a feast;
• the unprepared group remains alive and arrives later.

These are different events with different movements, participants, mechanics, and purposes.

The direction of movement is different​

At the Rapture, the Bride is taken upward to meet Christ in the air:

“Caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.”

In Matthew 25, the attendants go out to meet an approaching bridegroom and then enter a wedding venue with him. The movement resembles a reception party joining an arriving dignitary, not the supernatural removal of the Church from earth.

The foolish virgins cannot be unsaved members of the Bride​

The Church is not raptured in two installments according to personal preparedness:

• wise Christians raptured;
• foolish Christians left behind;
• late Christians attempting to enter afterward.

All who are “in Christ,” dead and living, participate in the Harpazo. Matthew 25, however, deliberately divides professing kingdom subjects into those admitted and those rejected. The dividing issue is genuine readiness or saving reality, not whether some members of Christ’s Bride remembered to bring additional lamp oil.

 

[cv5]

Jesus public return is in Great glory, not at midnight. It is something the whole world will see, just as lightning flashes in the east and shines to the west. If you wanted to give it a time of day it would be Noon, not midnight. The cry is not "Jesus is here!" the cry is "the Bridegroom cometh". He is on His way. This cry is for those who love the Lord to have a chance to wake up and meet Him. The midnight cry is not the rapture. That takes place at the very beginning or prior to the seventieth week. That would be the "dawning of the day".

If we look at the Passover week, you have the midnight cry in the night when the soldiers arrest Jesus. This wakes up the disciples who were sleeping. You have the "rapture event" in the morning when the "cock crows", that is when those who are denying the Lord is about to come are caught with the words having just come out of their mouth, just like Peter denying the Lord. The scourging and nailing Jesus to the cross and the sun being darkened for three hours, and the cry "my God, my God, why have you forsaken me" and the earthquake, this is all like the day of the rapture for those left behind. Three days of darkness refer to three days in the tomb.

“Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.”
—Matthew 25:6

The virgins are not snatched away​

At the Harpazo:

• Christ descends;
• the dead in Christ rise;
• living believers are transformed;
• both groups are caught up;
• the entire Church meets the Lord in the air.

In Matthew 25:

• nobody is resurrected;
• nobody is transformed;
• nobody is caught into the air;
• no deceased believers appear;
• no trumpet of God is mentioned;
• some participants leave to shop;
• the prepared group walks or accompanies the groom into a feast;
• the unprepared group remains alive and arrives later.

These are different events with different movements, participants, mechanics, and purposes.



At the Rapture, the Bride is taken upward to meet Christ in the air:

“Caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.”

In Matthew 25, the attendants go out to meet an approaching bridegroom and then enter a wedding venue with him. The movement resembles a reception party joining an arriving dignitary, not the supernatural removal of the Church from earth.

 

[ZNP]

Do you need to conduct the experiment yourself before you believe it?

Why would they burn the cloth knowing that would go out in seconds and ruin their torch? No one does that, not even the foolish virgins. They don't say "hey can we borrow another cloth" they say we need to borrow oil. So they know you have to soak the cloth in oil. Your "experiment" has nothing to do with anyone who used torches in those days, especially since everyone did since there was no electricity.

 

[cv5]

Why would they burn the cloth knowing that would go out in seconds and ruin their torch? No one does that, not even the foolish virgins. They don't say "hey can we borrow another cloth" they say we need to borrow oil. So they know you have to soak the cloth in oil. Your "experiment" has nothing to do with anyone who used torches in those days, especially since everyone did since there was no electricity.

You really do not get it do you?
Here let me help you:

The foolish bridesmaids NEVER ***BELIEVED*** THAT THE GROOM WOULD EVER COME!

They never thought that they would need to actually use the torches, so they never PREPARED by obtaining the oil that THEY DEFINITELY NEEDED. Their conduct was merely performative, they were not serious never serious.

Wakey wakey eggs and bacey.

 

[ZNP]

You really do not get it do you?
Here let me help you:

The foolish bridesmaids NEVER ***BELIEVED*** THAT THE GROOM WOULD EVER COME!

They never thought that they would need to actually use the torches, so they never PREPARED by obtaining the oil that THEY DEFINITELY NEEDED. Their conduct was merely performative, they were not serious never serious.

Wakey wakey eggs and bacey.

You really do not get it do you? You are not the Lord. You do not get to say whether or not they ever believed. Jesus is Lord. If they had never believed He would have said "I never knew you". He did not say that. You are trying to force this parable to fit your theory and it simply doesn't. You don't get to ignore the historical facts about torches, you don't get to change the Lord's word to "I never knew you".

The facts are crystal clear.

1. They were waiting for the bridegroom to come.
2. they had a torch, trimmed it, lit it, and shortly after that said "their torch is going out"
3. They needed to borrow more oil.

To say they never had oil, or never used oil, or their torch was never lit is clearly false. Since no one lights a torch without first soaking the rag in oil you need a compelling reason from the text which you don't have to say that they did.

The only description we are given of these virgins is that they were foolish. According to Matthew to be foolish is to hear the Lord's word to be His witness and not do it.

We can see from this parable that they weren't prepared. People who have no experience are often the ones not properly prepared. Had they been witnessing they would have realized I need to take oil with me, I can't simply assume I'll have enough.

 

[Psalm1]

You sound confused. Let me help you:
Matthew 25 concatenates with the preparatory vicissitudes of step #12, not #10.
NOT the Nissuin (נִישּׂוּאִין) – Taking the Bride.

The 12 Steps of the Hebrew Wedding Pattern

Shiddukh (שִׁדּוּךְ) – Arrangement / Match

The match is arranged between families.

Example often cited: the bride chosen for Isaac in Genesis 24.

Mohar (מֹהַר) – Bride Price

The groom pays the price for the bride.

Example: Jacob serving years to obtain Rachel.

Ketubah (כְּתוּבָּה) – Marriage Covenant / Contract

A written covenant agreement defining obligations.

Parallels this with the covenant given in Exodus 19–24.

Kiddushin / Erusin (קִדּוּשִׁין / אֵרוּסִין) – Betrothal

The bride becomes set apart for the groom.

The couple is legally bound though not yet living together.

Kos HaBrit (כּוֹס הַבְּרִית) – Cup of the Covenant

The covenant is sealed by sharing the cup.

Acceptance of the marriage agreement.

Mattan (מַתָּן) – Gifts to the Bride

The groom gives bridal gifts demonstrating commitment and provision.

Mikveh (מִקְוֶה) – Ritual Immersion

The bride undergoes ceremonial purification.

Symbol of cleansing and preparation.

Hachanat HaKallah (הֲכָנַת הַכַּלָּה) – Preparation of the Bride

The kallah (bride) prepares herself during the betrothal period.

She must remain ready for the groom.

Teruʿat HaShofar / HaKri'ah (תְּרוּעַת הַשּׁוֹפָר) – Announcement of the Groom

The groom’s arrival is announced with a shout or trumpet.

The bridal party prepares.

Nissuin (נִישּׂוּאִין) – Taking the Bride

The groom comes suddenly and takes the bride to the father’s house.

This completes the marriage legally.

Chuppah (חֻפָּה) – Bridal Chamber / Canopy

The couple enters the chuppah, symbolizing the consummation and union.

Traditionally associated with a seven-day bridal chamber period.

Seudat Nissuin (סְעוּדַת נִישּׂוּאִין) – Wedding Feast

The marriage supper or celebratory banquet with guests.

Condensed List

Shiddukh – match arrangement

Mohar – bride price

Ketubah – marriage covenant

Kiddushin / Erusin – betrothal

Kos HaBrit – covenant cup

Mattan – bridal gifts

Mikveh – ritual immersion

Hachanat HaKallah – bride preparation

Teruʿat HaShofar – announcement

Nissuin – taking the bride

Chuppah – bridal chamber

Seudat Nissuin – wedding feast

Yes
Matches the pretrib rapture, the gathering of the bride, the delay we are in now, and the 10 virgins parable, that has the same pretrib setting.

 

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You really do not get it do you? You are not the Lord. You do not get to say whether or not they ever believed. Jesus is Lord. If they had never believed He would have said "I never knew you". He did not say that. You are trying to force this parable to fit your theory and it simply doesn't. You don't get to ignore the historical facts about torches, you don't get to change the Lord's word to "I never knew you".

The facts are crystal clear.

1. They were waiting for the bridegroom to come.
2. they had a torch, trimmed it, lit it, and shortly after that said "their torch is going out"
3. They needed to borrow more oil.

To say they never had oil, or never used oil, or their torch was never lit is clearly false. Since no one lights a torch without first soaking the rag in oil you need a compelling reason from the text which you don't have to say that they did.

The only description we are given of these virgins is that they were foolish. According to Matthew to be foolish is to hear the Lord's word to be His witness and not do it.

We can see from this parable that they weren't prepared. People who have no experience are often the ones not properly prepared. Had they been witnessing they would have realized I need to take oil with me, I can't simply assume I'll have enough.

Not only did the foolish not believe that the Husband was coming, they did not even know that He and He alone had the oil...!
They had ZERO real faith connection to the Husband, for if they did, they would have obtained the oil that they needed from Him beforehand AND prepared according to what they BELIEVED. This belief predicated upon His written word which all 10 possessed.

And evidently, this BUYING FOR YOURSELF was a very bad idea!

Mat 25:9
But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy (???) for yourselves (???).

Mat 25:10
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

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You do know that this parable intentionally follows the parable of the 10 virgins. Right?
And the lesson is much the same. Right?

WISE SERVANT (VIRGINS) RESULT for those who ARE preparing for the Coming of the Lord:

Mat 25:21
His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord

FOOLISH SERVANT (VIRGINS) RESULT for those who ARE NOT preparing for the Coming of the Lord:

Mat 25:27
Thou oughtest (BUT HE DID NOT) therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Mat 25:30
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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Let me ask you this: Is Christ going to deny His Bride entry into His own wedding feast? Ridiculous!
Let me ask you this: Does Christ Jesus does not know His own Bride? Ridiculous.

Mat 25:11
Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

Mat 25:12
But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

 

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Yes
Matches the pretrib rapture, the gathering of the bride, the delay we are in now, and the 10 virgins parable, that has the same pretrib setting.

Repeating that biblically illiterate bogus dogma ad infinitum will NEVER make it true, despite your wishful thinking.......

BTW, you may have noticed (yet will not admit) that your bogus dogma in this regard is getting absolutely wrecked on this thread.
It truly is a humiliating blowout.