The Parable of the Ten Virgins does not refer to the church

[cv5]

Not only did the foolish not believe that the Husband was coming, they did not even know that He and He alone had the oil...!
They had ZERO real faith connection to the Husband, for if they did, they would have obtained the oil that they needed from Him beforehand AND prepared according to what they BELIEVED. This belief predicated upon His written word which all 10 possessed.

And evidently, this BUYING FOR YOURSELF was a very bad idea!

Mat 25:9
But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy (???) for yourselves (???).

Mat 25:10
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

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You do know that this parable intentionally follows the parable of the 10 virgins. Right?
And the lesson is much the same. Right?

WISE SERVANT (VIRGINS) RESULT for those who ARE preparing for the Coming of the Lord:

Mat 25:21
His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord

FOOLISH SERVANT (VIRGINS) RESULT for those who ARE NOT preparing for the Coming of the Lord:

Mat 25:27
Thou oughtest (BUT HE DID NOT) therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Mat 25:30
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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Let me ask you this: Is Christ going to deny His Bride entry into His own wedding feast? Ridiculous!
Let me ask you this: Does Christ Jesus does not know His own Bride? Ridiculous.

Mat 25:11
Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

Mat 25:12
But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Mat 25:27
Thou oughtest (BUT HE DID NOT) therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my (INEVITABLE) coming (THAT YOU DID NOT BELIEVE WOULD HAPPEN) I should have received mine own with usury.

 

[cv5]

You really do not get it do you? You are not the Lord. You do not get to say whether or not they ever believed. Jesus is Lord. If they had never believed He would have said "I never knew you". He did not say that. You are trying to force this parable to fit your theory and it simply doesn't. You don't get to ignore the historical facts about torches, you don't get to change the Lord's word to "I never knew you".

The facts are crystal clear.

1. They were waiting for the bridegroom to come.
2. they had a torch, trimmed it, lit it, and shortly after that said "their torch is going out"
3. They needed to borrow more oil.

To say they never had oil, or never used oil, or their torch was never lit is clearly false. Since no one lights a torch without first soaking the rag in oil you need a compelling reason from the text which you don't have to say that they did.

The only description we are given of these virgins is that they were foolish. According to Matthew to be foolish is to hear the Lord's word to be His witness and not do it.

We can see from this parable that they weren't prepared. People who have no experience are often the ones not properly prepared. Had they been witnessing they would have realized I need to take oil with me, I can't simply assume I'll have enough.

Your argument is not “crystal clear.” It is a chain of assumptions that the text never states.

Yes, the foolish virgins ignited the torches briefly. Matthew 25:8 says their lamps were “going out.” That point can be granted.

But a briefly burning torch does not prove that:

• they had the oil that represents the Holy Spirit;
• the women were regenerate;
• the flame represents Christian witnessing;
• they had previously been faithful witnesses;
• they lost salvation through poor preparation.

None of that is in the passage.

Matthew explicitly says:

“They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them.”
—Matthew 25:3

Verse 4 explains the contrast:

“But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.”

The natural meaning is that the foolish had no reserve oil supply. They were able to start their torches, but not the oil necessary to survive the bridegroom’s delay. Their temporary flame proves temporary illumination, not saving faith.

The witnessing theory is invented​

You claim that the foolish virgins had not been witnessing and therefore lacked the experience to know they needed extra oil.

Where does Jesus say that?

Nothing in Matthew 25 mentions preaching, evangelism, converts, testimony, or witnessing. The stated lesson is:

“Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.”
—Matthew 25:13

The subject is readiness for His arrival, not practical torch knowledge acquired through evangelism.

You accuse others of forcing the parable into a theory while inventing an entire history of failed witnessing that appears nowhere in the text.

“Foolish” does not mean “a saved person who failed to witness”​

Matthew 7:26 says the foolish man hears Christ’s words and does not do them. It does not define foolishness as failure to evangelize.

Furthermore, the same chapter describes outwardly religious people who call Jesus “Lord, Lord,” prophesy, cast out demons, and perform mighty works, yet Christ says:

“I never knew you.”
—Matthew 7:23

Therefore, hearing Christ’s words, calling Him Lord, and displaying religious activity do not prove salvation.

That directly undermines the claim that the foolish virgins must have been believers merely because they expected the bridegroom and carried burning torches.

“Lord, Lord” proves nothing​

The foolish virgins say:

“Lord, Lord, open to us.”

But Matthew has already warned:

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
—Matthew 7:21

The parallel is obvious:

• both groups say, “Lord, Lord”;
• both expect acceptance;
• both possess outward religious association;
• both are rejected;
• both are told that Christ does not know them.

Their confession proves profession, not possession.

“I know you not” does not mean “I used to know you”​

Your distinction between these two statements is artificial:

“I never knew you.”
—Matthew 7:23

“I know you not.”
—Matthew 25:12

The absence of the word “never” in Matthew 25 does not imply:

“I once knew you savingly, but now I do not.”

That idea is nowhere stated.

“I know you not” is the present judicial verdict: you are not recognized as belonging to me and have no claim to entrance.

“I never knew you” states the same relational rejection while explicitly emphasizing its entire history.

One statement gives the present verdict; the other adds the word “never.” They are not opposite doctrines.

Your reasoning is an argument from silence:

Jesus did not say “never,” therefore He must once have known them.

But He also did not say, “I once knew you.” You cannot manufacture former salvation from an omitted adverb.

“Know” is relational, not informational​

When Scripture says:

“The Lord knoweth them that are his.”
—2 Timothy 2:19

it does not mean God lacks factual knowledge of everyone else. It means He recognizes, owns, and accepts those who belong to Him.

Likewise, Christ says:

“I know my sheep.”
—John 10:14

He knows all people intellectually, but He knows His sheep relationally.

Therefore, “I know you not” means that the foolish virgins are not acknowledged as His own. It does not mean that He once knew them and later forgot or rejected a former relationship.

The parable emphasizes outward similarity and inward difference​

At first, all ten look alike:

• all are virgins;
• all have torches;
• all expect the bridegroom;
• all sleep;
• all hear the cry;
• all arise;
• all trim their torches.

The delay exposes the decisive difference: only the wise possess the necessary oil supply.

That is a repeated theme in Matthew:

• wheat and tares;
• good fish and bad fish;
• faithful and wicked servants;
• properly and improperly dressed guests;
• wise and foolish virgins;
• sheep and goats.

Outward association continues until judgment reveals the truth.

A temporary flame fits this pattern perfectly. It is not proof of regeneration.

The closed door signifies exclusion, not reduced reward​

The foolish virgins are not admitted late. They are not merely deprived of a reward or disciplined as careless believers.

The door is shut.

The bridegroom does not say:

• “You were mine but failed to witness.”
• “You once belonged to me.”
• “You lost your reward.”
• “I formerly knew you.”

He says:

“I know you not.”

That is rejection, not lesser reward.

Conclusion​

Yes, the foolish virgins produced a temporary flame.

No, that does not prove they were saved.

Yes, they called the bridegroom “Lord.”

No, that does not prove he recognized them as his own.

Yes, they expected to enter.

No, expectation does not create a valid claim.

And no, the omission of the word “never” does not transform “I know you not” into “I once knew you savingly.”

The bridegroom’s verdict is decisive:

“I know you not.”

Everything beyond that—former salvation, lost salvation, failed witnessing, and oil as accumulated evangelistic experience—has been added to the text.

 

[Psalm1]

Repeating that biblically illiterate bogus dogma ad infinitum will NEVER make it true, despite your wishful thinking.......

BTW, you may have noticed (yet will not admit) that your bogus dogma in this regard is getting absolutely wrecked on this thread.
It truly is a humiliating blowout.

I am not the one changing virgins into bridesmaids.
Or failing to admit the obvious; "our lamps have gone out" is anything but oil lamps running out of oil.
Or refusing to grasp that a groom coming for his bride, could never relate to the rapture, where the groom comes for his bride.

I don't need ANYTHING changed in the parable.


BTW, show me the setting you claim the parable to be in.
Show me the destroyed planet and every believer left behind martyred...and then Jesus raptures some strange sect called bridesmaids.

BTW, you may have noticed (yet will not admit) that your bogus dogma in this regard is getting absolutely wrecked on this thread.
It truly is a humiliating blowout.

That alone is bizarre.
Changing a parable , then claiming some victory while sitting on a changed bible.

 

[Psalm1]

Mat 25:27
Thou oughtest (BUT HE DID NOT) therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my (INEVITABLE) coming (THAT YOU DID NOT BELIEVE WOULD HAPPEN) I should have received mine own with usury.

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"let me ask you this: Is Christ going to deny His Bride entry into His own wedding feast? Ridiculous!
Let me ask you this: Does Christ Jesus does not know His own Bride? Ridiculous."

You assume that is true.
In actual scripture the billions left behind, the carnal believers, the foolish virgins, get martyred, and IN HEAVEN AS THE BILLIONS MARTYRED, AND DO ATTEND THE WEDDING.
" Mary knew not a man".
In no way does that remotely assume she had zero male friends or acquaintances.
The parable is clear. "I know you not", is fererring to the same lack of intimacy as the churches in Asia. The rebukes in the 7 letters, and the remidies, AS WELL AS THE CONSEQUENCES.
ALL were born again, and one group was told to "go and buy".

In the virgin parable, as well as one group in rev 3, both GROUPS OF BELIEVERS ,are told to "go buy".
Ahem .....METAPHORICALLY.
NOT LITTERALLY.
Buy Gold
Buy oil.

Gold refined in fire takes time. Jesus says "refined in fire".
Purified.
Purged over time.

When Jesus used "oil" in his story, it was showcased as the game changer.
Oil = worthy to depart with the groom
Gold= those without it were carnal and backslidden BELIEVERS.

IF those ingredients are lacking..go get what you are lacking.

All those supposition of believers never having any oil, and are condemned to hell, is drastically departing from the parable.
The foolish beliefs are carnal, and do not go in the rapture.
They Do GET IN...LATER....WHEN MARTYRED.
BILLIONS OF THEM.

 

[cv5]

Quote
"let me ask you this: Is Christ going to deny His Bride entry into His own wedding feast? Ridiculous!
Let me ask you this: Does Christ Jesus does not know His own Bride? Ridiculous."

You assume that is true.
In actual scripture the billions left behind, the carnal believers, the foolish virgins, get martyred, and IN HEAVEN AS THE BILLIONS MARTYRED, AND DO ATTEND THE WEDDING.
" Mary knew not a man".
In no way does that remotely assume she had zero male friends or acquaintances.
The parable is clear. "I know you not", is fererring to the same lack of intimacy as the churches in Asia. The rebukes in the 7 letters, and the remidies, AS WELL AS THE CONSEQUENCES.
ALL were born again, and one group was told to "go and buy".

In the virgin parable, as well as one group in rev 3, both GROUPS OF BELIEVERS ,are told to "go buy".
Ahem .....METAPHORICALLY.
NOT LITTERALLY.
Buy Gold
Buy oil.

Gold refined in fire takes time. Jesus says "refined in fire".
Purified.
Purged over time.

When Jesus used "oil" in his story, it was showcased as the game changer.
Oil = worthy to depart with the groom
Gold= those without it were carnal and backslidden BELIEVERS.

IF those ingredients are lacking..go get what you are lacking.

All those supposition of believers never having any oil, and are condemned to hell, is drastically departing from the parable.
The foolish beliefs are carnal, and do not go in the rapture.
They Do GET IN...LATER....WHEN MARTYRED.
BILLIONS OF THEM.

"In actual scripture the billions left behind (AT THE RAPTURE EVENT):"

Absolutely FALSE.
On the contrary zero are left behind.

You are getting hoaxed friend. A victim of tragic and common Biblically illiterate rubbish.

 

[cv5]

Quote
"let me ask you this: Is Christ going to deny His Bride entry into His own wedding feast? Ridiculous!
Let me ask you this: Does Christ Jesus does not know His own Bride? Ridiculous."

You assume that is true.
In actual scripture the billions left behind, the carnal believers, the foolish virgins, get martyred, and IN HEAVEN AS THE BILLIONS MARTYRED, AND DO ATTEND THE WEDDING.
" Mary knew not a man".
In no way does that remotely assume she had zero male friends or acquaintances.
The parable is clear. "I know you not", is fererring to the same lack of intimacy as the churches in Asia. The rebukes in the 7 letters, and the remidies, AS WELL AS THE CONSEQUENCES.
ALL were born again, and one group was told to "go and buy".

In the virgin parable, as well as one group in rev 3, both GROUPS OF BELIEVERS ,are told to "go buy".
Ahem .....METAPHORICALLY.
NOT LITTERALLY.
Buy Gold
Buy oil.

Gold refined in fire takes time. Jesus says "refined in fire".
Purified.
Purged over time.

When Jesus used "oil" in his story, it was showcased as the game changer.
Oil = worthy to depart with the groom
Gold= those without it were carnal and backslidden BELIEVERS.

IF those ingredients are lacking..go get what you are lacking.

All those supposition of believers never having any oil, and are condemned to hell, is drastically departing from the parable.
The foolish beliefs are carnal, and do not go in the rapture.
They Do GET IN...LATER....WHEN MARTYRED.
BILLIONS OF THEM.

You still cannot understand step # 10 from step # 12?

Tragic really, as this makes you vulnerable to Biblically illiterate hoaxes and frauds.

Fortunately I have PREPARED myself by many long hours of study and am now immune to these kinds of hoaxes.

 

[Psalm1]

1. Ten brides is textually and morally absurd​

To interpret the ten virgins as ten brides would transform the parable into a mass polygamous marriage without a single textual indication that Jesus intended such a thing.


That interpretation would require all of the following unstated propositions:

1. One bridegroom is marrying ten women simultaneously.
2. Five of his intended wives fail to obtain sufficient lamp oil.
3. He marries only the five who happened to be prepared.
4. The other five later address their supposed husband as “Lord, Lord.”
5. The groom responds to his own proposed brides, “I know you not.”

Nothing in the passage supports that reconstruction.

“I know you not” is fatal to the ten-brides theory​

The foolish virgins say:




He answers:




A bridegroom does not arrive to marry ten women, admit five as wives, and then announce that he does not even know the other five. That is not a wedding arrangement. It is a judicial exclusion scene.


The phrase parallels other passages of final exclusion:




The point is not that five brides were late for their own wedding. The point is that outward association with the kingdom does not guarantee admission into it.

Scripture’s controlling marriage pattern is singular​

The foundational marriage text declares:




Jesus expressly reaffirms this pattern:




Paul applies that singular union to Christ and the Church:




Notice the corporate singular:

• one husband;
• a chaste virgin;
• one corporate Church presented to Christ.

Likewise:




And:




Revelation then carefully distinguishes the Bride from the invited participants:




The wife is not identical to everyone invited to the supper. There is one corporate Bride, while others attend as guests or attendants. Scripture consistently presents Christ’s redeemed corporate counterpart as the Bride, singular—not ten independent brides.


Calling the ten virgins “ten brides” therefore does not merely offer a different interpretation. It destroys the parable’s social roles and clashes with the controlling biblical metaphor of one Bride for one Bridegroom.

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2. Matthew 25:6–11 cannot portray the instantaneous Harpazo​

The Rapture is described as a sudden divine transformation and removal:






The verb ἁρπάζω—harpazō means to seize, catch up, or carry away forcibly or suddenly. The subjects are caught up by divine power. They do not organize a torch procession, purchase supplies, or walk into a banquet hall.


Matthew 25:6–11 contains an extended sequence:

1. A midnight announcement is made.
2. All ten women awaken.
3. All ten prepare their lamps.
4. The foolish discover their oil shortage.
5. They ask the wise to share.
6. The wise decline.
7. The foolish leave to locate sellers.
8. The bridegroom arrives during their absence.
9. The prepared attendants accompany him.
10. They enter the wedding celebration.
11. A door is shut.
12. The foolish women return later.
13. They request admission.
14. The bridegroom verbally rejects them.

That sequence requires ordinary elapsed time. It includes awakening, conversation, inspection of lamps, debate over oil, travel to purchase it, the groom’s arrival, entrance into a venue, shutting a door, and the later return of the excluded group.


It cannot be compressed into:

The virgins are not snatched away​

At the Harpazo:

• Christ descends;
• the dead in Christ rise;
• living believers are transformed;
• both groups are caught up;
• the entire Church meets the Lord in the air.

In Matthew 25:

• nobody is resurrected;
• nobody is transformed;
• nobody is caught into the air;
• no deceased believers appear;
• no trumpet of God is mentioned;
• some participants leave to shop;
• the prepared group walks or accompanies the groom into a feast;
• the unprepared group remains alive and arrives later.

These are different events with different movements, participants, mechanics, and purposes.

The direction of movement is different​

At the Rapture, the Bride is taken upward to meet Christ in the air:




In Matthew 25, the attendants go out to meet an approaching bridegroom and then enter a wedding venue with him. The movement resembles a reception party joining an arriving dignitary, not the supernatural removal of the Church from earth.

The foolish virgins cannot be unsaved members of the Bride​

The Church is not raptured in two installments according to personal preparedness:

• wise Christians raptured;
• foolish Christians left behind;
• late Christians attempting to enter afterward.

All who are “in Christ,” dead and living, participate in the Harpazo. Matthew 25, however, deliberately divides professing kingdom subjects into those admitted and those rejected. The dividing issue is genuine readiness or saving reality, not whether some members of Christ’s Bride remembered to bring additional lamp oil.

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"To interpret the ten virgins as ten brides would transform the parable into a mass polygamous marriage without a single textual indication that Jesus intended such a thing."

Huh?
One person finally of Christendom is the bride???
Who is it????
Paul????
You need to understand what a parable is.
Tons of metaphors and analogies.

QUOTE
"The wife is not identical to everyone invited to the supper. There is one corporate Bride, while others attend as guests or attendants. Scripture consistently presents Christ’s redeemed corporate counterpart as the Bride, singular—not ten independent brides"
You are trying to micromanage the parable.
Then, you are thinking "one dimensional " in a multifaceted bible, written by a multifaceted God.

Jesus has several names.
He appears as sever different manifestations. ...even his name is not one dimensional.

I noticed you stumbled over "buy" and "virgins".
....not realizing their significance.
Instead you center on definitions.
("Buy", is used as a metaphor in both examples by Jesus)

Every parable is "incomplete", and points out a single lesson.
That lesson is MULTIFACETED.

A parable was never intended to be a 10 page doctrinal thesis, in a panoramic picture of Gods total purpose.

That is why there is so many of them.

Departing from the simple message, is a disaster every time.


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"The Church is not raptured in two installments according to personal preparedness:"

The church rapture is pretrib in 1 thess 4.
The Jewish rapture is rev 14.

The church has one rapture.
Those left behind are seen in mat 24 as "one left"
And in the virgin parable as foolish virgins.

They get to heaven as martyrs.

You need to understand romans 9-11.
The gentile church...the bride.
The Jewish wife....Gomer.

2 gatherings.

 

[Psalm1]

"In actual scripture the billions left behind (AT THE RAPTURE EVENT):"

Absolutely FALSE.
On the contrary zero are left behind.

You are getting hoaxed friend. A victim of tragic and common Biblically illiterate rubbish.

Instead of some general "nope" ...maybe defend how those verses are wrong.
Verses are wrong????

I am putting verses on the table you can not challenge other than with personal put downs.

I understand your frustration

 

[Psalm1]

You still cannot understand step # 10 from step # 12?

Tragic really, as this makes you vulnerable to Biblically illiterate hoaxes and frauds.

Fortunately I have PREPARED myself by many long hours of study and am now immune to these kinds of hoaxes.

Since you are so superior in your perfect doctrine, how did you miss those left behind in the Noah analogy of Jesus in Matthew 24?
One taken..one left.
50% left behind.

...and no...you are not better than the hundreds I debate regularly.
I am not using any of your supposition.
Open a bible. Calm down and show me how the Bible is wrong.

You evidently do not know who the innumerable number is in heaven.

 

[ZNP]

Not only did the foolish not believe that the Husband was coming, they did not even know that He and He alone had the oil...!
They had ZERO real faith connection to the Husband, for if they did, they would have obtained the oil that they needed from Him beforehand AND prepared according to what they BELIEVED. This belief predicated upon His written word which all 10 possessed.

And evidently, this BUYING FOR YOURSELF was a very bad idea!

Mat 25:9
But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy (???) for yourselves (???).

Mat 25:10
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

******************************************************************

You do know that this parable intentionally follows the parable of the 10 virgins. Right?
And the lesson is much the same. Right?

WISE SERVANT (VIRGINS) RESULT for those who ARE preparing for the Coming of the Lord:

Mat 25:21
His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord

FOOLISH SERVANT (VIRGINS) RESULT for those who ARE NOT preparing for the Coming of the Lord:

Mat 25:27
Thou oughtest (BUT HE DID NOT) therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Mat 25:30
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

***********************************************************

Let me ask you this: Is Christ going to deny His Bride entry into His own wedding feast? Ridiculous!
Let me ask you this: Does Christ Jesus does not know His own Bride? Ridiculous.

Mat 25:11
Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

Mat 25:12
But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

The only reason you would conclude that the foolish virgins did not believe the bridegroom is coming is because of some predetermined doctrine that has nothing to do with the parable.

You focus on a strict adherence to the Galilean wedding practice, which is fine, 90% of interpretations do that, but then when that practice contradicts your theory that the foolish virgins are not believers you go completely off the rails and say that their torches, unlike the practice that everyone practiced, were lit without oil. You have absolutely no support from the practice of how these torches were used or from the parable itself. You simply change the word of God to fit your interpretation. That is a "deceitful bow".

 

[Psalm1]

Not only did the foolish not believe that the Husband was coming, they did not even know that He and He alone had the oil...!
They had ZERO real faith connection to the Husband, for if they did, they would have obtained the oil that they needed from Him beforehand AND prepared according to what they BELIEVED. This belief predicated upon His written word which all 10 possessed.

And evidently, this BUYING FOR YOURSELF was a very bad idea!

Mat 25:9
But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy (???) for yourselves (???).

Mat 25:10
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

******************************************************************

You do know that this parable intentionally follows the parable of the 10 virgins. Right?
And the lesson is much the same. Right?

WISE SERVANT (VIRGINS) RESULT for those who ARE preparing for the Coming of the Lord:

Mat 25:21
His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord

FOOLISH SERVANT (VIRGINS) RESULT for those who ARE NOT preparing for the Coming of the Lord:

Mat 25:27
Thou oughtest (BUT HE DID NOT) therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Mat 25:30
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

***********************************************************

Let me ask you this: Is Christ going to deny His Bride entry into His own wedding feast? Ridiculous!
Let me ask you this: Does Christ Jesus does not know His own Bride? Ridiculous.

Mat 25:11
Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

Mat 25:12
But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

QUOTE
"Not only did the foolish not believe that the Husband was coming, they did not even know that He and He alone had the oil...!"
1) he did not bring oil, nor offer any.
2) you assume they did not believe he was coming.
The PARABLE SUGGESTS OTHERWISE.
You literally made that up

 

[Psalm1]

You still cannot understand step # 10 from step # 12?

Tragic really, as this makes you vulnerable to Biblically illiterate hoaxes and frauds.

Fortunately I have PREPARED myself by many long hours of study and am now immune to these kinds of hoaxes.

Again, I am not the one with the many changes to the parable, nor am I the one not understanding the church age ending and "Jacob's trouble" ( the 7 yr trib), beginning.

 

[Psalm1]

1. Ten brides is textually and morally absurd​

To interpret the ten virgins as ten brides would transform the parable into a mass polygamous marriage without a single textual indication that Jesus intended such a thing.


That interpretation would require all of the following unstated propositions:

1. One bridegroom is marrying ten women simultaneously.
2. Five of his intended wives fail to obtain sufficient lamp oil.
3. He marries only the five who happened to be prepared.
4. The other five later address their supposed husband as “Lord, Lord.”
5. The groom responds to his own proposed brides, “I know you not.”

Nothing in the passage supports that reconstruction.

“I know you not” is fatal to the ten-brides theory​

The foolish virgins say:




He answers:




A bridegroom does not arrive to marry ten women, admit five as wives, and then announce that he does not even know the other five. That is not a wedding arrangement. It is a judicial exclusion scene.


The phrase parallels other passages of final exclusion:




The point is not that five brides were late for their own wedding. The point is that outward association with the kingdom does not guarantee admission into it.

Scripture’s controlling marriage pattern is singular​

The foundational marriage text declares:




Jesus expressly reaffirms this pattern:




Paul applies that singular union to Christ and the Church:




Notice the corporate singular:

• one husband;
• a chaste virgin;
• one corporate Church presented to Christ.

Likewise:




And:




Revelation then carefully distinguishes the Bride from the invited participants:




The wife is not identical to everyone invited to the supper. There is one corporate Bride, while others attend as guests or attendants. Scripture consistently presents Christ’s redeemed corporate counterpart as the Bride, singular—not ten independent brides.


Calling the ten virgins “ten brides” therefore does not merely offer a different interpretation. It destroys the parable’s social roles and clashes with the controlling biblical metaphor of one Bride for one Bridegroom.

---

2. Matthew 25:6–11 cannot portray the instantaneous Harpazo​

The Rapture is described as a sudden divine transformation and removal:






The verb ἁρπάζω—harpazō means to seize, catch up, or carry away forcibly or suddenly. The subjects are caught up by divine power. They do not organize a torch procession, purchase supplies, or walk into a banquet hall.


Matthew 25:6–11 contains an extended sequence:

1. A midnight announcement is made.
2. All ten women awaken.
3. All ten prepare their lamps.
4. The foolish discover their oil shortage.
5. They ask the wise to share.
6. The wise decline.
7. The foolish leave to locate sellers.
8. The bridegroom arrives during their absence.
9. The prepared attendants accompany him.
10. They enter the wedding celebration.
11. A door is shut.
12. The foolish women return later.
13. They request admission.
14. The bridegroom verbally rejects them.

That sequence requires ordinary elapsed time. It includes awakening, conversation, inspection of lamps, debate over oil, travel to purchase it, the groom’s arrival, entrance into a venue, shutting a door, and the later return of the excluded group.


It cannot be compressed into:

The virgins are not snatched away​

At the Harpazo:

• Christ descends;
• the dead in Christ rise;
• living believers are transformed;
• both groups are caught up;
• the entire Church meets the Lord in the air.

In Matthew 25:

• nobody is resurrected;
• nobody is transformed;
• nobody is caught into the air;
• no deceased believers appear;
• no trumpet of God is mentioned;
• some participants leave to shop;
• the prepared group walks or accompanies the groom into a feast;
• the unprepared group remains alive and arrives later.

These are different events with different movements, participants, mechanics, and purposes.

The direction of movement is different​

At the Rapture, the Bride is taken upward to meet Christ in the air:




In Matthew 25, the attendants go out to meet an approaching bridegroom and then enter a wedding venue with him. The movement resembles a reception party joining an arriving dignitary, not the supernatural removal of the Church from earth.

The foolish virgins cannot be unsaved members of the Bride​

The Church is not raptured in two installments according to personal preparedness:

• wise Christians raptured;
• foolish Christians left behind;
• late Christians attempting to enter afterward.

All who are “in Christ,” dead and living, participate in the Harpazo. Matthew 25, however, deliberately divides professing kingdom subjects into those admitted and those rejected. The dividing issue is genuine readiness or saving reality, not whether some members of Christ’s Bride remembered to bring additional lamp oil.

There is no bridesmaids in the parable, nor any gathering of "bridesmaids" at the white horse coming at the end of the 7yr tribulation.

You are not understanding what the rapture is.
It is the gathering of the bride / brides.

Matt 24 and 25.
One taken before the flood
Wise brides taken by the groom.

Vivid and clear.

Pretrib, as the bible demonstrates.

 

[cv5]

Since you are so superior in your perfect doctrine, how did you miss those left behind in the Noah analogy of Jesus in Matthew 24?
One taken..one left.
50% left behind.

...and no...you are not better than the hundreds I debate regularly.
I am not using any of your supposition.
Open a bible. Calm down and show me how the Bible is wrong.

You evidently do not know who the innumerable number is in heaven.

Forget?

No, I didn't forget about ANY of this.
Rather, I have. ALREADY thoroughly exegeted the warnings of Matt 24 and conclusively proven how they resoundingly support the commentary of Matt 25 that intentionally follows.

Try and keep up will you. And please try and remember what has been posted thus far.

Did I mention that you and ZNP are suffering a truly epic wipeout on this thread.

Truly, it is a cringeworthy spectacle to behold.....

 

[cv5]

There is no bridesmaids in the parable, nor any gathering of "bridesmaids" at the white horse coming at the end of the 7yr tribulation.

You are not understanding what the rapture is.

You are not understanding that Matthew 25 is OBVIOUSLY an aspect of (but certainly not the full epic grand event in total) the #12 step of the wedding protocol.

The rapture aka the Nissun has ALREADY happened waaaaay back 7+ years ago in step #10.

Yes, I understand that a list of 12 is a lot to digest. But give it time.

 

[ZNP]

Are the foolish Brides redeemed by the Lord?

• Luke 21: 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
• 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
• 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

So here it is crystal clear that a christian can be caught up with the cares of this world so that the day comes upon you unawares. When you read this verse it makes you think of the Christian doctrine that no one knows the day or hour as an attempt to say that the day will come upon every Christian unawares, but that makes no sense. Not only so, but the Lord then says “watch ye therefore”, you are supposed to watch so that it doesn’t come upon you unawares. All ten of the virgins fell asleep when they were watching, so they at one point were watching, but Jesus delayed His coming. But the hardest verse for the crowd who thinks that all Christians will be raptured is “pray that ye may be accounted worthy to escape”. The criteria for salvation has nothing to do with you being counted worthy. We are redeemed because Jesus paid the price for us, not because of our own worth.

Clearly there is a different criteria for being raptured than simply being redeemed.

 

[ZNP]

Are the foolish Brides redeemed by the Lord? (2)

• Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
• 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
• 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Here we have a very interesting connection to the ten virgins. In both stories the point is you need to be ready. In both stories the virgins didn’t know in what hour the Lord was going to come. And in both their houses are broken up if they are not ready. This reminds us of Matthew 7 where the wise builder digs down to the rock and the foolish builder builds on sand. The one house will stand during the storm and the other will collapse. That in turn reminds us of 1 Corinthians telling us some build with gold, silver and precious stones and the others build with wood, hay and stubble. One house survives the fire, the other is burned up. But the person who built the house is still saved, the problem is they lost everything. The difference between these two is not salvation, it is whether or not they are prepared for the storm and Jesus tells us “those that hear his voice and do what He says” are the wise ones and those that hear his voice and don’t do what He says are the foolish ones.

For example, in World War 2 we have an example of the goodman of the house not knowing what watch the thief would come (Pearl Harbor) and another example of the goodman of the house knowing what watch the thief would come (Midway). Because they knew the attack was coming they were waiting for the Japanese and defeated them. It was the same military, same leaders, the only difference was one time they were ready and one time they weren’t.

 

[ZNP]

Are the foolish Brides redeemed by the Lord? (3)

Revelation 16:15 — "Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame" — set in the Tribulation timeframe. If you are left behind during the rapture others will see your shame. If you had been right with the Lord at the time of the rapture you wouldn't have been left behind.

 

[ZNP]

Are the foolish Brides redeemed by the Lord? (4)

• Colossians 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
• 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Paul says believers are going to be presented holy and unblameable and unreprovable in His sight "if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast., and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel". The conditional statement is whether or not you will be presented, not whether or not you have been redeemed. You can be redeemed by the Lord and yet you don't continue in the faith grounded, settled and not moved away from the hope.

 

[ZNP]

Are the foolish Virgins redeemed by the Lord? (5)

• Hebrews 9:28 — Christ "will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation, to those who eagerly wait for Him" — the qualifier "who eagerly wait" is read as a distinguishing condition among believers.

Think about all these ones talking about Jesus returning and perhaps being a little too eager thinking it was going to be in 2025 or 1988, etc. You have Christians rebuking them for being too eager about the Lord's return. We can see that many Christians are "eagerly awaiting the Lord" and we can also see that many Christians are not. But the promise is not that the Lord will appear to those who are not eagerly awaiting the Lord. Simply saying that you are "awaiting the Lord" is not proof that you are eagerly awaiting.