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The non-elect didn't choose it though. They were dead in their sins, unable to understand the things of God by God's will.
Yes, it is ultimately by God's sovereign decree and will that the non-elect do not believe the gospel, as He chooses to withhold the regenerating grace necessary for faith.

However, we need to distinguish between God's active decree of passing over individuals and human responsibility, maintaining that unbelievers remain fully culpable for their own sin and rejection of Christ.

God ordains everything that comes to pass, including who will be saved (election) and who will be passed over (reprobation or non-election). Without the Holy Spirit changing a person's heart, they are spiritually dead and unable or unwilling to believe.

The non-elect do not believe because they actively love sin and darkness more than God. God does not force people to sin or disbelieve against their will; rather, He leaves them in their natural, fallen state of rebellion, making them entirely responsible for their choice.
 
Unbelief is normally a sin when it pertains to a believer disobeying Scripture.

But, we were all at one time unbelievers.

Some believe in Jesus Christ.

Those who do not believe are condemned not because they refused to believe. For it says in John 3:18, that they are condemned already, even before being given the Gospel.

Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe
has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of
God’s one and only Son.

They reject the drawing of God.
They do not believe the Gospel because they dropped out of God drawing them which would have arranged for their crossing over into regeneration.

When God is drawing a person? God's power of grace throttles a man's sin nature, so his soul can be totally objective in the privacy of his own thoughts. With the sin nature abated while the drawing is going on? It takes personal desire to not know God. Not sin.

With the sin nature not being the issue in that case? It will be out of his own personal decision to not want to know God.
That is not sin. It is evil.

Jesus could not die for evil. To do so? He would have had to reject himself.
Your response has completely abandoned historic Christian orthodoxy and descended into absolute theological chaos. In your frantic attempt to escape the logical trap of your own making, you have actually invented a new heresy, claiming that a personal decision to reject God is "not sin, it is evil." This is an unscriptural and nonsensical distinction that completely overthrows the biblical definition of sin.

Let’s dismantle this unbiblical fiction piece by piece:

1. The Heresy of Redefining Sin and Evil

You claim that a person’s deliberate decision to reject God is "evil" but "not sin," and assert that
"Jesus could not die for evil."
  • The Scriptural Definiton of Sin: 1 John 3:4 explicitly declares, "Sin is the transgression of the law." The first and greatest commandment of the law is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength (Matthew 22:37-38). Therefore, any personal decision to reject God, refuse His Son, and love darkness is a direct, catastrophic violation of the greatest law in existence. By biblical definition, it is a massive, damnable sin.
  • The Absurdity of Your Split: To say Jesus died for "sin" but not for "evil" is a total theological monstrosity. Sin is moral evil. If Jesus didn't die to save us from our evil hearts, then His cross is entirely useless. Isaiah 53:5 says He was wounded for our
  • transgressions and bruised for our iniquities (evil acts). Unbelief and the rejection of God are sins, and if Christ paid for them on the cross for every human being, you are still trapped in your double-jeopardy nightmare: God is punishing people in hell for a sin Christ already paid for.
2. The Fiction of the "Throttled" Sin Nature

You have invented a completely unbiblical, semi-Pelagian myth. You claim that when God draws a person, His grace "throttles" the sin nature so the soul can be "totally objective" in a state of pure neutrality, and that their rejection happens outside of their sin nature.

Where is that on the page of Scripture? Show me a single verse that says God puts the sin nature in "neutral" so a dead man can make an autonomous choice.
  • Scripture states the exact opposite. The unregenerate mind is not neutral; it is enmity against God (Romans 8:7). It doesn't need to be temporarily "throttled" or put on pause; it needs to be completely slain and resurrected.
  • Christ’s drawing (helkyō) in John 6:44 is not a passive invitation to a neutral mind. As I showed you before, helkyō means to compel or drag. God doesn't wait for a neutral vote; He sovereignly subdues the rebel's will, takes away the heart of stone, and gives a heart of flesh (Ezekiel 36:26).
3. The Contradiction of John 3:18

You quote John 3:18 to say they are condemned already before the gospel, but then you claim they go to hell because they "dropped out" of God's drawing. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
  • If they are condemned already, they are condemned because they are guilty, law-breaking children of wrath in Adam (Ephesians 2:3, Romans 5:18).
  • They don't go to hell because they "dropped out" of a mechanical drawing process; they go to hell because they are guilty sinners who love their wickedness and voluntarily reject the light.
Conclusion

Your theology has completely collapsed. To protect your idol of human free will, you have been forced to argue that rejecting God isn't a sin, that Jesus couldn't die for evil, and that God creates a temporary zone of human neutrality that is nowhere to be found in the Bible.


When you have to invent your own vocabulary and redefine basic biblical doctrines just to keep your system afloat, it's time to admit your system has failed. Stop making up unscriptural theories. Unbelief is a sin, rejection of God is a sin, and human beings are totally depraved until a Sovereign Savior replaces their heart of stone. Submit to the text of Scripture and stop rewriting the definition of sin.


 
Again, harmonize Rom. 9 with the rest of Romans, John 3:16, 1John 4, 1Tim. 2:3-4 and Matt. 23:37.
Do not proof-text or ignore context, especially when doing so demeans divine omnilove and justness,
which is blasphemous, heretical--and dangerous to your destiny per Gal. 1:6-9.
Threatening my eternal destiny and hurling words like "blasphemous" and "heretical" will not cover up the fact that you just completely evacuated the textual debate. I laid out the explicit, legal grammar of Romans 9:20–21 and John 3:19. You did not touch a single syllable of those texts. You ran away from the Potter’s sovereign right over the clay and hid behind a wall of un-exegesed reference tags.

You demand that I harmonize Romans 9 with your preferred verses. I gladly accept the challenge. Let’s look at the actual text and context of the verses you think destroy sovereign grace, and let the Word of God dismantle your humanistic concept of "omnilove."

1. The "All Men" of 1 Timothy 2:3–4


You point to God desiring "all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." You assume "all men" means every single individual who ever lived. If that were true, and God’s desire was frustrated by human free will, then your god is a disappointed failure who is completely powerless against the will of dead sinners.

John Gill rightly notes that in the context of 1 Timothy 2, "all men" means all sorts of men—specifically including kings, rulers, and those in authority (v. 2), whom the early church might have thought were excluded from God’s grace. It means Jews and Gentiles alike, from every class of society. If God internally wills the individual salvation of every single person, then everyone must be saved, because "our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased" (Psalm 115:3).

2. The Rejection in Matthew 23:37


You run to Christ weeping over Jerusalem: "how often would I have gathered thy children together... and ye would not!" You think this proves human free will can successfully defeat the saving power of God.

Look at the precise grammar on the page. Christ does not say, "I wanted to save you, Jerusalem, but you wouldn't let me." He addresses the religious leaders (the Scribes and Pharisees whom He just cursed in chapter 23) and says: "I would have gathered thy children [the citizens of the city], and ye [the religious rulers] would not!"

The Pharisaical rulers tried to block the people from hearing Christ (as they always did, see Matthew 23:13). This text does not describe the Holy Spirit trying to regenerate an individual heart and failing; it describes wicked men externally opposing the external ministry of Christ. Human rulers can resist external means, but they can never stop the internal, omnipotent drawing of the Father (John 6:44).

3. The Particularity of John 3:16 and 1 John 4

You claim I demean God's love. I do no such thing; I magnify it by showing that it actually saves. You want a generic, conditional "omnilove" where God loves everyone equally, yet allows millions of those He loves to burn in hell forever. That is a weak, impotent love that guarantees nothing.

When John writes that "God is love" (1 John 4:8) and that He sent His Son into the world (John 3:16), the context of John's writings dictates that "the world" (kosmos) refers to the Gentile nations alongside the Jews—breaking the national boundaries of the Old Covenant. Look at the very next verses in 1 John 4:9–10: His love is manifested toward "us" (the church, the elect) so that "we" might live through Him. Christ's love is a particular, intense, covenantal love that effectively lays down His life for His friends (John 15:13) and infallibly rescues them.

4. The True Perversion of Galatians 1:6–9

You try to weaponize the anathema of Galatians 1 against me.
Let’s look at what Paul is actually cursing in that letter.

Paul is cursing the Judaizers because they were preaching a conditional gospel—a gospel where Christ's work on the cross was not enough, and man had to add his own performance (circumcision/works) to make it effective.
  • Your system is the ultimate continuation of that false gospel: you preach that Christ's cross is a loose possibility, and man must add the "work" of his autonomous free will to make it effective.
  • The High Calvinist system preaches the true, unadulterated Gospel of Grace: salvation is 100% accomplished by Christ, 100% applied by the Holy Spirit, and entirely unmerited from first to last (Ephesians 2:8–10).
I am not the one in danger of Galatians 1. The one who perverts the Gospel is the one who strips the Savior of His victory and hands the decisive crown of salvation to the willpower of a dead rebel.

Stop throwing tantrums and threatening my destiny. Address the scriptures I put in front of you. How do you harmonize your free-will framework with Romans 9:21, where God explicitly claims the right to make vessels of wrath fitted to destruction out of the exact same lump as the vessels of mercy? Answer the text.


 
I agree with almost everything you've said to date, and I respect your point of view. I have not found your definition of "proginosko" in any of the word studies and lexicons that I've looked at. So for once, I must disagree with you.
The Greek word "proginosko" appears in my Bible 5 times.

Acts 26:5 – Paul uses it to describe how people have known (proginōskontes) him from the beginning.

Romans 8:29 – Paul writes about those God foreknew (proegnō).

Romans 11:2 – Paul states that God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew (proegnō).

1 Peter 1:20 – Peter speaks of Christ as being foreknown (proegnōstmenou) before the creation of the world.

2 Peter 3:17 – Peter tells believers to be on guard since they know these things beforehand (proginōskontes)
 
The irony of believing what is not true reveals itself yet once again. Isms of the world unite. :whistle:

Sadly, I will have to explain the irony in this gem.

God gives mercy to the elect; it is unearned

...................................................................................................................BUT

God leaves the non-elect in their sin. He gives them the justice they CHOSE

But I'm only a 5 year old non-elect for all intents and purposes.
So you don't believe that Gods Word is true. :(
 
Hi, can you please clarify this statement. Are you saying regeneration for a child comes by being properly instructed ?
Romans 10:17 says, "faith comes from hearing".
This means that saving faith is an instrument created by God through the outward preaching of the Gospel, though it requires the inward, unseen work of the Holy Spirit to give a person spiritual ears to truly understand and receive it.

If a child hears the faithful preaching of the gospel, then God uses the external proclamation of the gospel as the primary, ordinary means to call His elect.
 
Romans 10:17 says, "faith comes from hearing".
This means that saving faith is an instrument created by God through the outward preaching of the Gospel, though it requires the inward, unseen work of the Holy Spirit to give a person spiritual ears to truly understand and receive it.
okay so hearing comes by regeneration/Spiritual life given first
If a child hears the faithful preaching of the gospel, then God uses the external proclamation of the gospel as the primary, ordinary means to call His elect.
Okay as long as its understood the child was regenerated first, then God sends them a faithful proclamation of the Gospel. I can agree, but thats not what you said at first when you stated

A child of five, if properly instructed, can be regenerated.

It read as if the child needed to be first instructed and that caused them to become regenerated. Glad you clarified. Thanks
 

What Are the Doctrines of Grace, and Why Do They Matter?​

The Doctrines of Grace are a summary of what Scripture teaches about how God saves sinners. They are not a separate gospel, nor are they a theological novelty. Rather, they describe the biblical logic of salvation, emphasizing that redemption from beginning to end is the work of God’s grace.

These doctrines are often associated with the Reformed tradition and are commonly summarized using the acronym TULIP. While the acronym itself is a later teaching aid, the doctrines it represents arise directly from the teaching of Scripture and have been confessed by the church throughout its history.

The Doctrines of Grace seek to answer a simple but foundational question:
How is a sinner brought from spiritual death to saving faith in Christ?

They teach that salvation is not the result of human initiative, moral improvement, or independent decision-making, but of God’s gracious action toward undeserving sinners. Each doctrine highlights a different aspect of that saving work, yet they are meant to be understood together, not in isolation.

In brief, they affirm:

  • that humanity is fallen and spiritually unable to come to God apart from grace
  • that God’s choice to save is rooted in His mercy, not in foreseen merit
  • that Christ’s atoning work effectively redeems those given to Him
  • that the Holy Spirit brings sinners to faith through inward renewal
  • that those whom God saves are kept by His power to the end
Taken together, they present a coherent, God-centered account of salvation.

These teachings are called the Doctrines of Grace because they underscore that salvation is entirely of grace. At every point where human boasting might enter, these doctrines redirect attention to God’s mercy.

They teach that grace is not merely assistance offered to willing sinners, but God’s powerful, life-giving work that raises the spiritually dead, grants repentance and faith, and preserves believers in Christ.

In this way, the Doctrines of Grace protect the biblical teaching that salvation is not partly God’s work and partly ours, but wholly God’s work, received by faith.

For many, the Doctrines of Grace initially appear abstract or controversial. In reality, they are profoundly pastoral and practical.

They matter because they:

  • humble sinners by removing all grounds for self-righteousness
  • magnify the grace and sovereignty of God
  • ground assurance in God’s unchanging purpose rather than human consistency
  • encourage gratitude, worship, and obedience
  • give confidence in evangelism by trusting God to work through His Word
Rather than discouraging faith or prayer, these doctrines direct believers away from self-reliance and toward confident dependence on God.

It is important to note that the Doctrines of Grace are not presented as a badge of superiority or a test of genuine Christianity. Many faithful believers struggle with these teachings or have never encountered them clearly.

Within the Reformed tradition, these doctrines are confessed not to divide the church, but to give careful expression to what Scripture teaches about God’s saving work. They are meant to be handled with humility, patience, and reverence.

When separated from the gospel, the Doctrines of Grace can be misunderstood. When seen in their proper place, they serve the gospel by pointing sinners away from themselves and toward Christ alone.

The Doctrines of Grace do not stand apart from the rest of Christian theology. They are inseparably connected to:

  • the holiness and sovereignty of God
  • the depth of human sin
  • the sufficiency of Christ’s atoning work
  • the necessity of the Holy Spirit’s regenerating power
They are one expression of a broader, biblical worldview in which God is glorified as both just and merciful, and salvation is received as a gift, not achieved as an accomplishment.

The Doctrines of Grace are a biblical summary of how God saves sinners by grace alone. They emphasize God’s initiative, Christ’s effectiveness, and the Spirit’s power in bringing sinners to faith and preserving them in salvation.

They matter because they exalt God, humble the sinner, strengthen assurance, and anchor the Christian life in gratitude rather than fear. Properly understood, they do not narrow the gospel, but deepen appreciation for the grace revealed in Jesus Christ.

What Are the Doctrines of Grace, and Why Do They Matter? | Monergism 51
 
No. You're not speaking the truth because AI is speaking.
We don’t discern truth by weighing the status, authority, or appeal of the speaker; we discern it by testing the words spoken. A claim stands or falls on its content—its coherence, its faithfulness to Scripture, its alignment with reality—not on the credentials or charisma of the one who utters it. Evaluating truth this way guards us from bias and keeps our judgment anchored in what is objectively said rather than who happens to be saying it.

Paul the apostle ran into this very issue with the Corinthians. They were tempted to judge truth by the prestige and polish of the speaker rather than by the substance of the message itself. Paul pushes back against this, insisting that the gospel’s credibility does not rise or fall on the personality delivering it. Truth is measured by what is said—its faithfulness to Christ, its alignment with God’s power—not by the rhetorical shine or social status of the one who speaks.

Paul’s words to the Galatians make his orientation to truth unmistakably clear: the authority of the speaker—even an apostle, even Paul himself—never determines the validity of the message. In Galatians 1:8–9 he gives the most radical, self‑emptying standard imaginable: if we or an angel from heaven should preach a different gospel, do not believe it. That is Paul’s way of saying, “Don’t trust me because I’m me; trust only the gospel as God delivered it.” His authority serves the truth; it never defines it. The message judges the messenger, not the other way around. This is Paul’s antidote to personality‑driven spirituality: truth is evaluated by what is said, never by who happens to be saying it.

So you see, your AI hunting is mistaken.

I am not a bot and I never denied that I used AI as a tool to help me get my point across. Your accusations against me are unfounded and untrue.

Using AI for research and writing is a lot like using a power tool. A power tool can multiply your strength, speed, and precision—but it can also cause real damage if you use it carelessly or let it replace skill and judgment. AI works the same way. It can accelerate study, organize thoughts, surface sources, and help refine language, but it must be handled with the same disciplined caution: you remain responsible for the work, for the truthfulness of the content, and for the integrity of the final product. Used properly, both power tools and AI enable good, fruitful, efficient labor. Used improperly, both can create messes, mistakes, and false confidence. The tool is powerful, but the craftsman must stay attentive.


That's what just happened here.
Okay, you have had your turn. Now it is my turn. Like a power saw, AI is a powerful tool. And if it is respected, a lot of good can be done with it. Like @Anchorite rightfully said, it is better to do your own research and put it in your own words, but unlike a master craftsman, I can't build a boat with hand tools. I need and prefer power tools.

Before computerized Bible tools existed, my study was built on books. I bought Bible lexicons, Greek grammars, encyclopedias, and every research aid I could afford, and I spent countless hours working through them. That hard work shaped how I study Scripture. When digital tools eventually appeared, I didn’t replace my study—I simply incorporated those tools into the process. Over the years I’ve shared what I’ve learned with brothers in Christ in weekly Bible studies, on Christian message boards, and now through my YouTube channel. My goal has always been the same: to help believers follow Christ by passing along the fruit of careful, long‑term study.
 
Romans 2:5-8 describes the standard of God's perfect justice and the reality that good works serve as the necessary fruit and evidence of true faith, rather than the ground for justification.
He says that we are judged by our deeds. That sounds like justification to me.
Paul is setting up the baseline principle of the Covenant of Works—that perfect obedience brings life and disobedience brings wrath. He uses this to prove that anyone trying to stand on their own merit is condemned, leading up to Romans 3:20 that "no flesh will be justified" by works.
We both agree that Paul teaches that no flesh will be justified by works. But in Romans 2, isn't Paul making another point? He seems to be talking to his fellow Jews about an attitude that many of them seem to share.

Paul is correcting a deeply rooted misunderstanding among his kinsmen—the idea that God cares only about obedience and not about the orientation of the heart behind it. In Romans 2, he dismantles that notion by insisting that God’s judgment according to deeds is not a crude tally of actions but a revelation of what a person is truly seeking. Some pursue glory, honor, immortality, and eternal life; others do not. That contrast exposes the inner posture behind the outward behavior. Paul’s point is that God is not interested in bare compliance. He is interested in the kind of person you are becoming—your aims, your desires, your direction. Deeds matter because they disclose the heart, and the heart is what God weighs.

At the final judgment, God repays everyone according to their deeds. While salvation is strictly by grace alone through faith alone, a genuinely regenerate life will always produce the "well-doing" Paul mentions. Works validate the existence of faith.

Believers pass the judgment not because their imperfect works measure up, but because they are united to Christ, whose perfect obedience and penalty-paying death are credited to them by faith alone.
Yes, I think we are on the same page.
 
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Romans 10:17 says, "faith comes from hearing".
This means that saving faith is an instrument created by God through the outward preaching of the Gospel, though it requires the inward, unseen work of the Holy Spirit to give a person spiritual ears to truly understand and receive it.

If a child hears the faithful preaching of the gospel, then God uses the external proclamation of the gospel as the primary, ordinary means to call His elect.

This is called eisegesis.
 
Threatening my eternal destiny and hurling words like "blasphemous" and "heretical" will not cover up the fact that you just completely evacuated the textual debate. I laid out the explicit, legal grammar of Romans 9:20–21 and John 3:19. You did not touch a single syllable of those texts. You ran away from the Potter’s sovereign right over the clay and hid behind a wall of un-exegesed reference tags.

You demand that I harmonize Romans 9 with your preferred verses. I gladly accept the challenge. Let’s look at the actual text and context of the verses you think destroy sovereign grace, and let the Word of God dismantle your humanistic concept of "omnilove."

1. The "All Men" of 1 Timothy 2:3–4


You point to God desiring "all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." You assume "all men" means every single individual who ever lived. If that were true, and God’s desire was frustrated by human free will, then your god is a disappointed failure who is completely powerless against the will of dead sinners.

John Gill rightly notes that in the context of 1 Timothy 2, "all men" means all sorts of men—specifically including kings, rulers, and those in authority (v. 2), whom the early church might have thought were excluded from God’s grace. It means Jews and Gentiles alike, from every class of society. If God internally wills the individual salvation of every single person, then everyone must be saved, because "our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased" (Psalm 115:3).

2. The Rejection in Matthew 23:37


You run to Christ weeping over Jerusalem: "how often would I have gathered thy children together... and ye would not!" You think this proves human free will can successfully defeat the saving power of God.

Look at the precise grammar on the page. Christ does not say, "I wanted to save you, Jerusalem, but you wouldn't let me." He addresses the religious leaders (the Scribes and Pharisees whom He just cursed in chapter 23) and says: "I would have gathered thy children [the citizens of the city], and ye [the religious rulers] would not!"

The Pharisaical rulers tried to block the people from hearing Christ (as they always did, see Matthew 23:13). This text does not describe the Holy Spirit trying to regenerate an individual heart and failing; it describes wicked men externally opposing the external ministry of Christ. Human rulers can resist external means, but they can never stop the internal, omnipotent drawing of the Father (John 6:44).

3. The Particularity of John 3:16 and 1 John 4

You claim I demean God's love. I do no such thing; I magnify it by showing that it actually saves. You want a generic, conditional "omnilove" where God loves everyone equally, yet allows millions of those He loves to burn in hell forever. That is a weak, impotent love that guarantees nothing.

When John writes that "God is love" (1 John 4:8) and that He sent His Son into the world (John 3:16), the context of John's writings dictates that "the world" (kosmos) refers to the Gentile nations alongside the Jews—breaking the national boundaries of the Old Covenant. Look at the very next verses in 1 John 4:9–10: His love is manifested toward "us" (the church, the elect) so that "we" might live through Him. Christ's love is a particular, intense, covenantal love that effectively lays down His life for His friends (John 15:13) and infallibly rescues them.

4. The True Perversion of Galatians 1:6–9

You try to weaponize the anathema of Galatians 1 against me.
Let’s look at what Paul is actually cursing in that letter.

Paul is cursing the Judaizers because they were preaching a conditional gospel—a gospel where Christ's work on the cross was not enough, and man had to add his own performance (circumcision/works) to make it effective.
  • Your system is the ultimate continuation of that false gospel: you preach that Christ's cross is a loose possibility, and man must add the "work" of his autonomous free will to make it effective.
  • The High Calvinist system preaches the true, unadulterated Gospel of Grace: salvation is 100% accomplished by Christ, 100% applied by the Holy Spirit, and entirely unmerited from first to last (Ephesians 2:8–10).
I am not the one in danger of Galatians 1. The one who perverts the Gospel is the one who strips the Savior of His victory and hands the decisive crown of salvation to the willpower of a dead rebel.

Stop throwing tantrums and threatening my destiny. Address the scriptures I put in front of you. How do you harmonize your free-will framework with Romans 9:21, where God explicitly claims the right to make vessels of wrath fitted to destruction out of the exact same lump as the vessels of mercy? Answer the text.



I realize you refuse to harmonize, preferring to prooftext, so I warn you in love with the words of Paul.

Yes, in English "all" means everyone.
Yes, God is frustrated and grieved when folks ignore His loving way to be saved.
John Gill is full of prunes.

Yes, Jesus wept over Jerusalem, and weeps over tulipists,
who defeat God's power to save by limiting it to a favored few.
They won't allow God to offer salvation to every sinner.
Any child can discern hate when parents favor a sibling.

Paul condemned Judaizers because they perverted the Gospel, which tulipism also does.
My words are not tantrums but rather the result of studying tulipism ever since I learned the P was wrong 55 years ago.

I affirm BOTH God's right to do whatever He wants AND His desire for everyone to be saved.
Refusing to employ both-and/harmonizing logic seems to cause a lot of sinful interpretations of Scripture.
 
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Yes, it is ultimately by God's sovereign decree and will that the non-elect do not believe the gospel, as He chooses to withhold the regenerating grace necessary for faith.

However, we need to distinguish between God's active decree of passing over individuals and human responsibility, maintaining that unbelievers remain fully culpable for their own sin and rejection of Christ.


God ordains everything that comes to pass, including who will be saved (election) and who will be passed over (reprobation or non-election). Without the Holy Spirit changing a person's heart, they are spiritually dead and unable or unwilling to believe.

The non-elect do not believe because they actively love sin and darkness more than God. God does not force people to sin or disbelieve against their will; rather, He leaves them in their natural, fallen state of rebellion, making them entirely responsible for their choice.
Great post.
However,if you read it again you'll realize all that you've said tells you,we who are the non- elect.dont know we love sin over God. Because we cannot know the things of God,including love and respect, because such things are foolish ess to us.
 
Yes, the gospel call is meant for everyone in the sense of a general external offer, but it's only made alive and successful for God’s chosen elect.

The message of Jesus is preached out loud to all people everywhere without holding back. It genuinely tells every person to turn away from sin and trust in Christ. It shows everyone their duty to God, meaning no one can claim on judgment day that they never had a chance to hear.


The effectual gospel call is the secret, powerful work of the Holy Spirit that changes a person's heart from the inside. Because humans are dead in sin, only the people chosen by God before the world was made will actually listen and respond with faith.

Unlike the general call, which some people reject, the inward call always changes the sinner's heart so they want to come to Jesus.


Your suggestion that "We then have to believe on the Lord, putting our faith in Him", doesn't make sense because the Bible reveals that it's a foolish suggestion to those who are perishing (those who God did not elect for salvation).

1 Corinthians 1:18 says: "For the gospel message is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
Many are called.Few are chosen.
 
The historical development of the false teaching of TULIP teaching....


1. Mani’s Gnostic Determinism: Manichaeism taught that human bodies are inherently evil, human wills are powerless, and salvation is entirely predetermined for a select group of "the Elect."


2. Augustine’s Late Shift: Augustine was a Manichaean for nine years. While he initially fought against their determinism, during his later, bitter debates with Pelagius (who challenged Augustines' determnism), Augustine relapsed into his old Manichaean ways of thinking, arguing that humans have zero capacity to choose God and believe when provided the truth of Good News.


3. Calvin’s Retrieval: During the Protestant Reformation, John Calvin heavily relied on these exact late-stage writings of Augustine.

Calvin quoted Augustine over 400 times in his Institutes of the Christian Religion, systematizing these concepts into what is now known as Calvinism.
 
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The historical development of the false teaching of TULIP teaching....


1. Mani’s Gnostic Determinism: Manichaeism taught that human bodies are inherently evil, human wills are powerless, and salvation is entirely predetermined for a select group of "the Elect."


2. Augustine’s Late Shift: Augustine was a Manichaean for nine years. While he initially fought against their determinism, during his later, bitter debates with Pelagius (who challenged Augustines' determnism), Augustine relapsed into his old Manichaean ways of thinking, arguing that humans have zero capacity to choose God and believe when provided the truth of Good News.


3. Calvin’s Retrieval: During the Protestant Reformation, John Calvin heavily relied on these exact late-stage writings of Augustine.

Calvin quoted Augustine over 400 times in his Institutes of the Christian Religion, systematizing these concepts into what is now known as Calvinism.

Yes, although at some point in his writings Augustine theorized that God knows every option the elect would choose,
so He presents them only with options that lead them to have saving faith.

While that theory technically preserved human volition, it blew the doctrine of divine love and justness hades low--
but Calvin and other tulipists failed to catch that perverse error, perhaps projecting their hateful judgmentalism onto God.
 
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I realize you refuse to harmonize, preferring to prooftext, so I warn you in love with the words of Paul.

Yes, in English "all" means everyone.
Yes, God is frustrated and grieved when folks ignore His loving way to be saved.
John Gill is full of prunes.

Yes, Jesus wept over Jerusalem, and weeps over tulipists,
who defeat God's power to save by limiting it to a favored few.
They won't allow God to offer salvation to every sinner.
Any child can discern hate when parents favor a sibling.

Paul condemned Judaizers because they perverted the Gospel, which tulipism also does.
My words are not tantrums but rather the result of studying tulipism ever since I learned the P was wrong 55 years ago.

I affirm BOTH God's right to do whatever He wants AND His desire for everyone to be saved.
Refusing to employ both-and/harmonizing logic seems to cause a lot of sinful interpretations of Scripture.
You claim that "tulipists... defeat God's power to save by limiting it to a favored few." This accusation exposes a fundamental flaw in your theology. You are completely failing to distinguish between the potency of omnipotence and the intent of a decree.
Let’s lay your argument bare alongside the plain text of Scripture:

1. Limiting the Scope of a Decree is Not a Defeat of Power

When a High Calvinist asserts that God elects and redeems a particular people, we are not saying God wants to save everyone but lacks the raw muscular power to achieve it. We are saying His sovereign purpose from all eternity was to save a specific, chosen people to the absolute praise of His glorious grace (Ephesians 1:4–6).

If a governor decides to pardon 50 inmates out of a prison of 100, his power has not been "defeated" or "limited" by an outside force. He has simply exercised his sovereign will. The true limitation of power belongs entirely to your system:
  • In your theology, God intensely desires, intends, and tries to save every single individual human being on earth, yet millions end up in hell anyway. That means your god's power is completely impotent and successfully defeated by human resistance.
  • In the High Calvinist theology, God’s saving power is completely limitless, 100% effective, and completely unfrustrated. Whom He intends to save, He actually saves without a single failure (John 6:37–39). We do not limit God's power; we honor its absolute victory.
2. You Are Accusing Jesus of Defeating His Own Power

By claiming that restricting salvation to a particular group is a "hateful limitation of power," you are directly condemning Jesus Christ. Look at His explicit words on the page:
  • John 17:9: "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine."
  • Matthew 20:28: "...the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."
Jesus explicitly limits the scope of His high priestly prayer and the intent of His substitutionary ransom. He does not pray for every individual; He prays particularly for His sheep. Did Jesus "defeat" God's power by choosing not to pray for the world? No. He was executing the perfect, particular, eternal decree of the Father.

3. The Inescapable Irony of Your 55-Year Study

You mention that you learned the "P" (Preservation of the Saints) was wrong 55 years ago.
Think through the terrifying logic of your position: if the "P" is wrong, it means a person can be bought by the blood of Christ, justified by faith, and indwelt by the Holy Spirit, yet still slip out of God's hand and burn in hell forever.

If that is true, then human sin is more powerful than God’s preservation.
You have a gospel where a child of God can successfully defeat the Almighty's grip. The true God completely shatters your weak framework: "I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:28).

Conclusion

I do not limit God's power by believing His own words regarding a particular election. You limit His power by turning His omnipotent grace into a weak, conditional offer that relies on dead sinners to make it effective. High Calvinists believe in a Savior who actually accomplished salvation for His people. You believe in a savior who merely made salvation an abstract possibility. Stop projecting human sibling rivalries onto the Almighty and submit to the victorious, particular power of the true Gospel.
 
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