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DavidLamb said:
No, I agree, we are not to lean on our own understanding. That is why we need the Holy Spirit to illumine the pages of Scripture for us. That is the same Holy Spirit Who inspired the human writers of Scripture, including Moses, who wrote Genesis 9:11. But not leaning on our own understanding doesn't mean that we look at a verse like Genesis 9:11, and say to ourselves, "Well the words seem to say that God will establish His covenant with Noah, that He will never again cut off all flesh with a flood, or destroy the earth with a flood, but that's just my understanding. It must mean something different." Taking Genesis 9:11 to mean what it says is not an understanding that contradicts even a single word of the Holy Scriptures.
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But not leaning on our own understanding doesn't mean that we look at a verse like Genesis 9:11, and say to ourselves, "Well the words seem to say that God will establish His covenant with Noah, that He will never again cut off all flesh with a flood, or destroy the earth with a flood, but that's just my understanding. It must mean something different." Taking Genesis 9:11 to mean what it says is not an understanding that contradicts even a single word of the Holy Scriptures.

Based in your clear understanding of this passage, why did God say that He would never do it again?
Was it because He had made a mistake in what He had done?
Is He now, in effect, saying that He will not repeat the mistake He made in doing this?
 
Godsgood said:
No, I agree, we are not to lean on our own understanding. That is why we need the Holy Spirit to illumine the pages of Scripture for us. That is the same Holy Spirit Who inspired the human writers of Scripture, including Moses, who wrote Genesis 9:11.

If Moses wrote Genesis, it was because God dictated to him exactly what he was to write. It could never have been merely a matter of inspiration by the Holy Spirit.
Because if it is true that the Holy Spirit inspires people to write the words of God, then could there be someone in our time who could apply that same principle and write things that have not yet been written in Scripture?
Where does it say here that he was inspired by the Holy Spirit?
JOHN 21:25
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
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No, I don't agree. The Bible is complete. We read:

NKJV 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

How could the man of God be complete and , thoroughly equipped for every good work if the Scriptures themselves were not yet complete?
 
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Godsgood said:
But not leaning on our own understanding doesn't mean that we look at a verse like Genesis 9:11, and say to ourselves, "Well the words seem to say that God will establish His covenant with Noah, that He will never again cut off all flesh with a flood, or destroy the earth with a flood, but that's just my understanding. It must mean something different." Taking Genesis 9:11 to mean what it says is not an understanding that contradicts even a single word of the Holy Scriptures.

Based in your clear understanding of this passage, why did God say that He would never do it again?
Was it because He had made a mistake in what He had done?
Is He now, in effect, saying that He will not repeat the mistake He made in doing this?
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No, of course it doesn't mean that God had made a mistake. He was making the promise to Noah and his descendants that He would never again destroy the whole world with a flood. God does not make mistakes.
 
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DavidLamb said:
That is just wrong. The Flood was not sent by by God because people were eating, drinking, and marrying. Genesis 6 tells us why He sent it:

NKJV Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen 6:12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Eating, drinking and marrying are not sinful. The reason they are mentioned in reference to the Flood is that they show that people were carrying on with their everyday lives as if the Flood was not going to happen. Nowhere does the Bible tell us that God sent the Flood because people wre eating and drinking and marrying.


Nothing to do with dark sayings. God told Noah why He was sending the Flood.

"Eating, drinking and marrying" in that context means that the people were just carrying on with their everyday lives, with no thought of the Flood, or in our time, of the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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As my testimony concerning Ecclesiastes 1:9 and Matthew 24:35:
When the Lord Jesus said, “Destroy this temple” (John 2:19), the Jews responded that it had taken 46 years to build the temple, yet He said He would raise it up in just three days (John 2:20).
At this point, the Lord had only just begun His ministry.
As the days went by, the Jews surely came to understand that the Lord was speaking in parables.
Yet they still did not believe Him, even after more than two years had passed.
Therefore, when the Lord was already hanging on the cross, they continued to mock Him because of what He had said.
MATTHEW 27:40
40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

If the Jews in those days who did not believe that the Lord was speaking in parables were simply left to their belief that the Lord was speaking literally and plainly.
Then even people today who refuse to believe that the Lord speaks in parables will likewise be left in their belief.

So I will not force you either. I will simply leave you to your belief that the one who drinks, eats, and marries is not speaking in a parable.
 
DavidLamb said:
That doesn't answer my question, which was, "How do you know what my actions are?"

As for seeing the flowers, I would say that there is a third option, seeing the flowers and their beauty, and knowing that they were created by almighty God. Doing that is more blessed than either believing that the flowers are beautiful, but not seeing them, or seeing the flowers and recognising their beauty.
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I have already told you. God knows what is in a person’s heart, and He reveals it to those whom He has chosen.
If you do not believe this, then I will simply leave you to your belief.
 
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Godsgood said:
As my testimony concerning Ecclesiastes 1:9 and Matthew 24:35:
When the Lord Jesus said, “Destroy this temple” (John 2:19), the Jews responded that it had taken 46 years to build the temple, yet He said He would raise it up in just three days (John 2:20).
At this point, the Lord had only just begun His ministry.
As the days went by, the Jews surely came to understand that the Lord was speaking in parables.
Yet they still did not believe Him, even after more than two years had passed.
Therefore, when the Lord was already hanging on the cross, they continued to mock Him because of what He had said.
MATTHEW 27:40
40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

If the Jews in those days who did not believe that the Lord was speaking in parables were simply left to their belief that the Lord was speaking literally and plainly.
Then even people today who refuse to believe that the Lord speaks in parables will likewise be left in their belief.

So I will not force you either. I will simply leave you to your belief that the one who drinks, eats, and marries is not speaking in a parable.
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Sorry, but what is the connection between your reply and what I post about why God sent the Flood?

Also, it has been mentioned before that Jesus using the temple as a picture of His body is a metaphor, not a parable. You say that the verse that says that before the Flood, people were eating, drinking and marrying is also a parable. Why? Why can it not mean what it says, that right up to the time the Flood came, everybody (except for Noah and his family) was carrying on with their lives as normal?
 
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DavidLamb said:
No, of course it doesn't mean that God had made a mistake. He was making the promise to Noah and his descendants that He would never again destroy the whole world with a flood. God does not make mistakes.
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I do not see the reason why God would need to make a promise that He would never do it again if what happened was not actually a mistake. What, then, was the purpose of the promise He made?
 
Godsgood said:
I have already told you. God knows what is in a person’s heart, and He reveals it to those whom He has chosen.
If you do not believe this, then I will simply leave you to your belief.
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But God does not tell you what my actions are. At the moment, obviously I am typing this message, but when you read it, you will have no way of knowing what action I am performing then. (If I am wrong, and you do know, then reply and tell me exactly what I was doing while you were reading my post.)
 
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DavidLamb said:
No, I don't agree. The Bible is complete. We read:

NKJV 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

How could the man of God be complete and , thoroughly equipped for every good work if the Scriptures themselves were not yet complete?
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Can you share with me where the Holy Spirit was during the time of Moses? And why did you say that the Holy Spirit inspired him?
 
Godsgood said:
I do not see the reason why God would need to make a promise that He would never do it again if what happened was not actually a mistake. What, then, was the purpose of the promise He made?
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Why not? Here is another verse where God promises never to do something again:

NKJV Ezk 5:9 And I will do among you what I have never done, and the like of which I will never do again, because of all your abominations.

He certainly is not saying, "I will do among you what I have never done, and it is a mistake, so I will never do it again."

You ask what was the purpose of God's promise. God makes many promises in His word. Some are warnings, and some, like the promise to Noah, are encouragements.
 
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DavidLamb said:
But God does not tell you what my actions are. At the moment, obviously I am typing this message, but when you read it, you will have no way of knowing what action I am performing then. (If I am wrong, and you do know, then reply and tell me exactly what I was doing while you were reading my post.)
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You do not understand me.

God knows what is in your heart according to what you say. Whether it is true or not, only God knows.
 
Godsgood said:
Can you share with me where the Holy Spirit was during the time of Moses? And why did you say that the Holy Spirit inspired him?
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The Holy Spirit is not restricted to a particular place. I don't think I said that the Holy Spirit inspired Moses, but that God inspired all of Scripture. It probably was through His Spirit, because in "Holy Spirit" the Hebrew word for "Spirit" is "ruach" which also means "breath", and the Greek is "pneuma", again meaning "breath". Scripture is "inspired by God" or "God-breathed."
 
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DavidLamb said:
Why not? Here is another verse where God promises never to do something again:

NKJV Ezk 5:9 And I will do among you what I have never done, and the like of which I will never do again, because of all your abominations.

He certainly is not saying, "I will do among you what I have never done, and it is a mistake, so I will never do it again."

You ask what was the purpose of God's promise. God makes many promises in His word. Some are warnings, and some, like the promise to Noah, are encouragements.
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In Ezekiel 5:9, God have the reason for why He said that. Here, however, the promise is simply stated without any explanation as to why.
 
Godsgood said:
You do not understand me.

God knows what is in your heart according to what you say. Whether it is true or not, only God knows.
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But you did write before about my actions. You said: "You said that you believe in Matthew 24:35. However, there is a difference between simply believing Ecclesiastes 1:9 and Matthew 24:35 and actually proving them through your actions. What pleases God are those who bear witness to the truth and live according to it, not merely those who claim to believe.
 
DavidLamb said:
The Holy Spirit is not restricted to a particular place. I don't think I said that the Holy Spirit inspired Moses, but that God inspired all of Scripture. It probably was through His Spirit, because in "Holy Spirit" the Hebrew word for "Spirit" is "ruach" which also means "breath", and the Greek is "pneuma", again meaning "breath". Scripture is "inspired by God" or "God-breathed."
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That is the same Holy Spirit Who inspired the human writers of Scripture, including Moses, who wrote Genesis 9:11
 
DavidLamb said:
But you did write before about my actions. You said: "You said that you believe in Matthew 24:35. However, there is a difference between simply believing Ecclesiastes 1:9 and Matthew 24:35 and actually proving them through your actions. What pleases God are those who bear witness to the truth and live according to it, not merely those who claim to believe.
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You said that you believe in Ecclesiastes 1:9 and Matthew 24:35. I said that there is a difference between merely believing in them and bearing witness to them. We who know the one true God bear witness to them.


So I testify to you that the things you mentioned, the 12-year-old girl whom the Lord raised from the dead, the parting of the Red Sea, and even the flood in Noah’s time that caused people throughout the whole world to perish, we see these things still happening in the present.


I don’t know whether you will believe me. We also still see the Lord feeding the multitude, all the way to the point when the disciples left Him in John 6:66.


From your answer, however, it seems that you no longer see these things happening. Am I correct?
 
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