Why aren't the words " believe, believer, and believing " in italics in the English translation of scripture?

[Watchman22]

In most other cases, any words added by the translators are in italics.
1) the words believe, believer, and believing are not in the Greek language.
In the Greek, you are only faithing towards something pisteuo, or faithing away from something Apisteuo. No neutral of middle ground like just believing.

2) The English language has no verb form of the Word" faith" like the Greek does. So those words believe, believer, and believing, we're added by the translators for the corresponding verb pisteuo, and should be in italics.

Why aren't they?

 

[BartholomewB]

In most other cases, any words added by the translators are in italics.
1) the words believe, believer, and believing are not in the Greek language.
In the Greek, you are only faithing towards something pisteuo, or faithing away from something Apisteuo. No neutral of middle ground like just believing.

2) The English language has no verb form of the Word" faith" like the Greek does. So those words believe, believer, and believing, we're added by the translators for the corresponding verb pisteuo, and should be in italics.

With my very limited knowledge of Greek, I can only suggest one possible answer to your question. Liddell & Scott lists the words "believe" and "belief" among the half-dozen or so common English translations of the Greek verb and noun respectively. From the editors' point of view, they are not supplying any additional words; they are simply translating the Greek text as closely as anyone can.

Are you referring to the KjV? That is one translation that italicizes words in cases of this kind. Maybe there are other translations that follow the same rule, though I'm pretty sure the KJV is the only one I'm familiar with personally that does that.

 

[Watchman22]

With my very limited knowledge of Greek, I can only suggest one possible answer to your question. Liddell & Scott lists the words "believe" and "belief" among the half-dozen or so common English translations of the Greek verb and noun respectively. From the editors' point of view, they are not supplying any additional words; they are simply translating the Greek text as closely as anyone can.

Are you referring to the KjV? That is one translation that italicizes words in cases of this kind. Maybe there are other translations that follow the same rule, though I'm pretty sure the KJV is the only one I'm familiar with personally that does that.

3 major translations italicize words , KJV, NKJV, and American standard.

Without getting into the definitions, the word believe is not in the Greek language. Pisteuo was mistranslated into the English language, and then stamped that mistranslation back out of the English, onto the Greek.

Nobody seems to care that it started a completely different version of Christianity. I consider that word pisteuo to be one of the most important words in Scripture, and it takes a long sentence to translate it correctly into the English language.

The Strongs gives a disclaimer, " pisteuo means not just to believe. "
The Vines gives the best definition of all, " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. " Doesn't even mention the word believe.

 

[Blade]

Had to lol go search.. "they directly translate actual Greek words found in the original New Testament manuscripts" yet some believe those words in italics are bad.. yeah ok ..

 

[dkontner]

Which manuscripts? There are no originals. That said, God said He would preserve it and He did. It's not hard to find.

 

[Watchman22]

Had to lol go search.. "they directly translate actual Greek words found in the original New Testament manuscripts" yet some believe those words in italics are bad.. yeah ok ..

Never said words in italics are bad. They send up a flare to look more closely. Pisteuo didn't get that flare, now people think they can receive the spirit of Christ by " believing " in what He did and said. That is a false path.

I ask myself who is responsible for this, God, to keep out those ones He doesn't want? Or satan, just deceiving weak called out ones?

 

[BartholomewB]

3 major translations italicize words , KJV, NKJV, and American standard.

Without getting into the definitions, the word believe is not in the Greek language. Pisteuo was mistranslated into the English language, and then stamped that mistranslation back out of the English, onto the Greek.

Nobody seems to care that it started a completely different version of Christianity. I consider that word pisteuo to be one of the most important words in Scripture, and it takes a long sentence to translate it correctly into the English language.

The Strongs gives a disclaimer, " pisteuo means not just to believe. "
The Vines gives the best definition of all, " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. " Doesn't even mention the word believ

 

[BartholomewB]

3 major translations italicize words , KJV, NKJV, and American standard.

Without getting into the definitions, the word believe is not in the Greek language. Pisteuo was mistranslated into the English language, and then stamped that mistranslation back out of the English, onto the Greek.

Nobody seems to care that it started a completely different version of Christianity. I consider that word pisteuo to be one of the most important words in Scripture, and it takes a long sentence to translate it correctly into the English language.

The Strongs gives a disclaimer, " pisteuo means not just to believe. "
The Vines gives the best definition of all, " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. " Doesn't even mention the word believe.

The noun "pistis" is almost always translated as "faith," but you can find occasional exceptions, even in the KJV. Three examples: Acts 17:31, Rom 3:26, 2 Thess 2:13. "Assurance" in the first case, the verb "believe" in the second, and the noun "belief' in the third.

 

[Watchman22]

The noun "pistis" is almost always translated as "faith," but you can find occasional exceptions, even in the KJV. Three examples: Acts 17:31, Rom 3:26, 2 Thess 2:13. "Assurance" in the first case, the verb "believe" in the second, and the noun "belief' in the third.

Pistis is used 245 times in the NT, pisteuo is used 248 times in the NT.

A foundational definition of Pistis, faith in the English would be a conviction, to be committed unto, reliance upon.

A foundational definition for pisteuo, ( no English word for pisteuo) would be a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. ( vines)

Pisteuo being a verb, known by my instructor as the A, B, C'S of faith. An act, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence.
The act: a personal surrendering of our lives to Him.
Based upon a belief: that He has accepted the surrendered life.
Sustained by confidence: by living a life making all those little daily decisions that support the fact we really do consider our lives to be His now and not ours anymore.

This is what NT faith and faithing looks like set free from the mistranslated words believe, believer, and believing.

 

[Dino246]

In most other cases, any words added by the translators are in italics.
1) the words believe, believer, and believing are not in the Greek language.
In the Greek, you are only faithing towards something pisteuo, or faithing away from something Apisteuo. No neutral of middle ground like just believing.

2) The English language has no verb form of the Word" faith" like the Greek does. So those words believe, believer, and believing, we're added by the translators for the corresponding verb pisteuo, and should be in italics.

Why aren't they?

Because "believe" (and related forms) were the best English word to translate the Greek word in the early 1600's. That you take "believe" to mean something less than "exercise faith" is your own enculturation and not a fault of the word, the language, nor the translations.

Italics were used in the KJV to indicate words that were necessary to add in English to make sense. "Believe" is normally not in that category because it does represent a Greek word.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Words are only italicized if there was no corresponding Greek word; the italicized word was inserted for clarity in English. A word that is simply hard to render accurately in English isn't italicized; but in some cases it might have a footnote. Maybe there should be more footnotes that explain such words.

 

[Watchman22]

Words are only italicized if there was no corresponding Greek word; the italicized word was inserted for clarity in English. A word that is simply hard to render accurately in English isn't italicized; but in some cases it might have a footnote. Maybe there should be more footnotes that explain such words.

Or someone lobby Websters to try and remedy the problem by introducing a verb form of the English word faith with, faithe, faither, and faithing.

Believe, believer, and believing are corresponding verbs to the noun belief, not faith!

 

[ResidentAlien]

Or someone lobby Websters to try and remedy the problem by introducing a verb form of the English word faith with, faithe, faither, and faithing.

Believe, believer, and believing are corresponding verbs to the noun belief, not faith!

Websters is a dictionary of English words, not Greek.

 

[Watchman22]

Websters is a dictionary of English words, not Greek.

Yes, it's not having those English words faithe, faither, and faithing that have caused this problem. A corresponding verb to the noun Faith needs to be added.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Yes, it's not having those English words faithe, faither, and faithing that have caused this problem. A corresponding verb to the noun Faith needs to be added.

So they now have to be in the business of rewriting the English dictionary with words that correspond to Greek forms? That's not what dictionaries do; they define words by their English usage.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

In most other cases, any words added by the translators are in italics.
1) the words believe, believer, and believing are not in the Greek language.
In the Greek, you are only faithing towards something pisteuo, or faithing away from something Apisteuo. No neutral of middle ground like just believing.

2) The English language has no verb form of the Word" faith" like the Greek does. So those words believe, believer, and believing, we're added by the translators for the corresponding verb pisteuo, and should be in italics.

Why aren't they?

You don't have to worry about that. If a person has the Holy Spirit, He will lead that person into all truth and give clear understanding of the Bible in His good time.

Because of the Holy Spirit, a person doesn't have to study the Bible in the original languages, just study it with the Holy Spirit. You can if you want to, no one will stop you.

 

[Watchman22]

So they now have to be in the business of rewriting the English dictionary with words that correspond to Greek forms? That's not what dictionaries do; they define words by their English usage.

The Greek language being the best language on the planet has always been the datum point or point of reference to languages that followed .

No doubt like everything else the keepers of the English language have abandoned those roots. Your probably aware they add new words all the time.

You ever seen that movie big fat Greek wedding? The father is always asking anyone to give him an English word and he would tell where it came from in the Greek, thats true

 

[Dino246]

The Greek language being the best language on the planet has always been the datum point or point of reference to languages that followed .

No doubt like everything else the keepers of the English language have abandoned those roots. Your probably aware they add new words all the time.

You ever seen that movie big fat Greek wedding? The father is always asking anyone to give him an English word and he would tell where it came from in the Greek, thats true

Best how? It is extremely complex and difficult to learn with its many verb forms. English does not come from Greek, any more than Mandarin or Tagalog do, so there are no "roots" to abandon.

As for movie references, if that is your source of truth, you need to do more homework.

 

[ResidentAlien]

The Greek language being the best language on the planet has always been the datum point or point of reference to languages that followed .

Not really. English derives from many sources. Greek is one; but there's also German, French, Latin, Norse, Dutch, Spanish and Italian.

No doubt like everything else the keepers of the English language have abandoned those roots. Your probably aware they add new words all the time.

Yes, they add new words as they become popular in English. Look at any dictionary, it says: Dictionary of the English language.

 

[Watchman22]

Not really. English derives from many sources. Greek is one; but there's also German, French, Latin, Norse, Dutch, Spanish and Italian.


Yes, they add new words as they become popular in English. Look at any dictionary, it says: Dictionary of the English language.

So your probably refusing to acknowledge the history of the English language coming from the Greek language.

I smell a true BELIEVER!
Or I guess an untrue believer would be more accurate.