The seal of God

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2Christ said:
Oh You know it very well when the spirit is received, for me also some spiritual gifts and at this time I am tested almost beyond what I can endure, it is why endurance is so important.
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Yes, I do know what happens when the Spirit of Christ is given. I asked you what you think happens. There is something very obvious that happens, I hope you don't mind me asking you what you think it is .
 
2Christ said:
I understand what you mean by “church saints” and “tribulation saints.” There is certainly a distinction in Scripture between believers living at different times, and Revelation clearly speaks of saints who are present during the great tribulation.

But I would be careful about turning that into two different kinds of saints or two different kinds of salvation. Revelation says of those coming out of the great tribulation: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” (Revelation 7:14, NKJV)

They are still the Lamb’s people. They are not presented as a lesser class of believers. Revelation also calls those living during this period “saints”: Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.”(Revelation 14:12, NKJV)

Their description is not based on a different gospel or a different salvation. They are people who keep God's commandments and have faith in Jesus. There is also the specific group of 144,000 who are sealed by God:

“Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”(Revelation 7:3, NKJV)

They are specifically identified as 144,000 from the tribes of Israel. Then John sees a great multitude from all nations coming out of the great tribulation. So Revelation does show different groups and different roles, but that does not automatically mean different kinds of salvation.

Jesus Himself spoke of His people as one flock: "And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; them also I must bring in, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.” (John 10:16, NKJV)

So I would say there are certainly believers who live in different periods and may have different roles in prophecy, but Scripture does not require us to divide God's faithful people into two separate classes of salvation called “church saints” and “tribulation saints.”

The important thing is what Jesus repeatedly taught: remain in Him, keep His commandments, overcome, and endure to the end.

“Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.” (Revelation 2:10, NKJV)

That promise is not limited to a particular generation. It is for those who remain faithful to Christ.
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I agree with what you have siad. I also am entertaining the thought of those that have been killed for there belief to be ones coming to faith during the tribulation. Which holds a door open to the possibility of church saints being raptured.
 
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2Christ said:
Oh You know it very well when the spirit is received, for me also some spiritual gifts and at this time I am tested almost beyond what I can endure, it is why endurance is so important.
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Did you just get lucky on that first correct answer?
The answer to the second question should be on the tip of your tongue, ready to be unleash at any second . Not two days of thinking about it.
 
Watchman22 said:
Did you just get lucky on that first correct answer?
The answer to the second question should be on the tip of your tongue, ready to be unleash at any second . Not two days of thinking about it.
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why are you so impatient, are you giving me a test? i don't like exams.
 
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many things happened not just one, I had been looking for the truth my whole life and read so many religious books, when I got my hands on the Holy Bible, while reading John it happened there, reading chapter 17, then I ""Knew"" I had finally found the true God I was in a state pf pure Joy and I could see Myself from ABOVE ( yes I know i'm weird) i at last found the answer to life and its purpose. for the rest a gradual change, gifts of knowledge and of future events as well visions and dreams also, lately more visions... you wanted to know there it is, lol
 
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2Christ said:
@Watchman22
many things happened not just one, I had been looking for the truth my whole life and read so many religious books, when I got my hands on the Holy Bible, while reading John it happened there, reading chapter 17, then I ""Knew"" I had finally found the true God I was in a state pf pure Joy and I could see Myself from ABOVE ( yes I know i'm weird) i at last found the answer to life and its purpose. for the rest a gradual change, gifts of knowledge and of future events as well visions and dreams also, lately more visions... you wanted to know there it is, lol
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I did say you didn't have to respond with personal details, because I know those are personal between us and Him. I was asking for the general thing that happens when the Spirit of Christ enters us. It's called dynamite unto salvation, and explosion of something.
 
Watchman22 said:
I did say you didn't have to respond with personal details, because I know those are personal between us and Him. I was asking for the general thing that happens when the Spirit of Christ enters us. It's called dynamite unto salvation, and explosion of something.
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yeah it was en explosion. I was blasted upwards...lol
 
Watchman22 said:
I did say you didn't have to respond with personal details, because I know those are personal between us and Him. I was asking for the general thing that happens when the Spirit of Christ enters us. It's called dynamite unto salvation, and explosion of something.
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I could not find the words so I gave some details instead, dont worry I left a lot details out. I am french speaking and sometimes the proper words in English escape me.
 
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2Christ said:
I could not find the words so I gave some details instead, dont worry I left a lot details out. I am french speaking and sometimes the proper words in English escape me.
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Sometimes the most obvious thing that happens when the Spirit of Christ comes , to abide in us, people may not realize it.
So let me ask you a question. Did you sense your desire to give increase? Or, did your desire to give begin at that point?
 
Watchman22 said:
Sometimes the most obvious thing that happens when the Spirit of Christ comes , to abide in us, people may not realize it.
So let me ask you a question. Did you sense your desire to give increase? Or, did your desire to give begin at that point?
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it was always there as far as I can remember but increasing certainly
 
2Christ said:
it was always there as far as I can remember but increasing certainly
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That same explosion of giving should happen in us as it did with those at Pentecost. When the spirit of Christ entered them, they gave all they had. And the exact Greek on that is that "they begged with much begging that they might be able to do it again. " that is the explosion that happens. These people were the poorest of the poor. They had that desire while the Romans were pillaging them on their way to whoever the were going to conquer, and pillage them on the way back again. If we don't want to give like that, we probably should look at our faith response.
 
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