Is Knowledge of the Original Languages Necessary for KJV Believers?

[frederickdoc]

I will bang the stick and i know it will be way more bangs than twice . fig just use a real term

This is what happened.

*"If you want to know the Whole wyill of Jesus for your life, you don't need to read a thousand different Rules. You just need to Understand One word: Parah.
It was His very First Command at the creation of the world, and it was His very Last command before He went to the Cross. To Parah means to let every single attribute of Jesus Shine through you so completely that the World cannot help but see God. It is His entire heart, His entire power, and His entire Will wrapped up in one single word!"*

Like any before me I Hear Jesus Lord God In Holy Spirit and Just trying to let The Sheep know He hasnt change from beginning to End just showing first and last command. It is all done for the price he paid In Ruach This is the last parah devine He has quicken with the Devine
jesus showed Us This even bearing the scars. I didn't want to make this long but the command of parah is All of who God is 7 fold attribute in one .

 

[frederickdoc]

Have a peek
best put everything Man taught u in a dung pile.
master key to Parah.

"The greatest commandment is the spark that quickens the seed. When you love the Lord with all your heart, you are plugging your branch directly into the Vine. Every single one of His 7 Fold divine attributes rushes into your life. The seed is finished, the power is divine, and the result is a life that perfectly reflects the total Will of Jesus in one glorious word: Parah!"

Foer note: find on your own cus its from spirit taliking prob to flesh it won't just get Inside ,by my Words and Know quickened is life from Death

 

[DavidLamb]

Was it their theur fkesh lives to be saves cus u should know if the jjailer failed he and his family would be killed most likey Some People based their whole religion off of this scripture

I am sure that was in the jailer's mind to start with. A jailer who let his prisoners escape would be severely punished. But Paul has already told him that that was not a problem:

NKJV Act 16:27 And the keeper of the prison, awaking from sleep and seeing the prison doors open, supposing the prisoners had fled, drew his sword and was about to kill himself.
Act 16:28 But Paul called with a loud voice, saying, "Do yourself no harm, for we are all here."

So by the time the jailer asked about salvation in verse 31, he knew that the prisoners were still there, so he was not in danger of being punished, or even killed. Anyway, the apostles "spoke the word of God" to him. (Acts 16:32)

 

[DavidLamb]

Sozo

Is Base commonword is save but has much deeper meanings when & if you seek proper

Ah! the Greek word translated "save" or "saved" in our English New Testaments. Thank you for explaining.

 

[frederickdoc]

Much more meaning, than Just save!

 

[DavidLamb]

The word believe is Not absolute . Don't know if it's written or not on paper ? the Apostles may have known the house of the jailer would recieve the Holy Spirit anointing that would seal the Sozo in the power of their words get it in your understanding the anointing is written in me and u seek them that are branched as written spoke repeated immensely

We are not told whether the apostle even knew beforehand that the jailer and his household would believe and be saved. But they knew that if he and his household believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, they would be saved.

 

[frederickdoc]

Much more meaning, than Just save!

I already told you they use sozo, so yes the power of the Holy Spirit was Spoke to the jailer im very well aware of it all from all angles correct and incorrect .best to Speak in spirit and get preliminaries out of the way.

 

[frederickdoc]

We are not told whether the apostle even knew beforehand that the jailer and his household would believe and be saved. But they knew that if he and his household believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, they would be saved.

They did and said as Holy Spirit , To the Glory of the Lord.

Don't have to say in bible to know .

 

[ATG]

Nowhere in Scripture does God ever say anything about any necessity of reading original languages of the prophets and apostles.

The Bible is not the Koran, where they say the Koran must be read in the original Arabic, in order to 'properly understand' the words of the prophet.

Knowledge of ancient languages is of inestimable value in rightly exegeting the Bible.

Knowledge of ancient languages is of no inestimable value to rightly dividing the word of truth.

Frankly, without it you will invariably become ensnared into misapprehensions, errors and even worse...... heresies.

Frankly, without it the honest believer will avoid becoming invariably ensnared into errors and heresies of pseudo scholarship.

I credit teachers who introduced me to deep-dive lexical studies for my rapid advancement in the last decade. Before which I was stuck in the listless horse latitudes going.... nowhere.

So, because of diving into ancient languages, rather than just reading in your own language, you finally got zealous and repented of all your transgrassions for Jesus' sake? Now you do good and not evil?

I've found that great ancient language 'scholarship' normally leads away from repentance and doing good, to finding ancient word loopholes to justify us by our faith alone, with only half-hearted repentance at best.

Ecc 12:12
And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

1Co 8:1
Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

 

[frederickdoc]

We are not told whether the apostle even knew beforehand that the jailer and his household would believe and be saved. But they knew that if he and his household believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, they would be saved.

You cant say they did not know
In a sense of knowing,they had a Secret according to men laws in this case Roman law.

• The Death Penalty Law: Under Roman law, if a guard let a prisoner escape, the guard had to suffer the exact same punishment the prisoner was facing. This is why the jailer drew his sword to commit suicide when he thought the prisoners ran away—he preferred a quick death over the shameful execution and torture mandated by Rome.
• An Interesting Twist

The next morning, an interesting contrast occurred between the jailer and Paul. While the jailer was a Roman employee, Paul and Silas were actually Roman citizens.
The City Leaders became terrified when they found out they had beaten Paul and Silas without a trial, Because beating a Roman Citizen was a Major Crime against the Empire.
It also doesnt say the jailer was a Roman either, no need script me out! just read in the Spirit that you claim in Him When u read abd the Holy Spirit points ans say hey look behild and find what He like you to find in the scriptures in this case the jailer was covered because Paul and Silas were eaten without a trial being Roman citizens as the jailer so the jailer was not in no of his life the fear transferred to the leaders that gave the Order.
in guiding of the Holy Spirit did as they whole house received The Lord

 

[DavidLamb]

They did and said as Holy Spirit , To the Glory of the Lord.

Don't have to say in bible to know .

If it's not in the Bible, different Christians could claim different things. Here, you claim that the apostles knew beforehand that the jailer and his household would believe and be saved. If God does not say that in His word, are you claiming that God revealed it to you privately? Why would He do that? What difference does it make to your Christian life or your love for God?

 

[DavidLamb]

You cant say they did not know
In a sense of knowing,they had a Secret according to men laws in this case Roman law.

• The Death Penalty Law: Under Roman law, if a guard let a prisoner escape, the guard had to suffer the exact same punishment the prisoner was facing. This is why the jailer drew his sword to commit suicide when he thought the prisoners ran away—he preferred a quick death over the shameful execution and torture mandated by Rome.
• An Interesting Twist

Yes, but as I mentioned before, and you have actually said here, it was if a guard let a prisoner escape. Paul had already told the jailer that all the prisoners were still there in the jail - none had escaped.

The next morning, an interesting contrast occurred between the jailer and Paul. While the jailer was a Roman employee, Paul and Silas were actually Roman citizens.
The City Leaders became terrified when they found out they had beaten Paul and Silas without a trial, Because beating a Roman Citizen was a Major Crime against the Empire.
It also doesnt say the jailer was a Roman either, no need script me out! just read in the Spirit that you claim in Him When u read abd the Holy Spirit points ans say hey look behild and find what He like you to find in the scriptures in this case the jailer was covered because Paul and Silas were eaten without a trial being Roman citizens as the jailer so the jailer was not in no of his life the fear transferred to the leaders that gave the Order.
in guiding of the Holy Spirit did as they whole house received The Lord

But none of that is connected with the gospel, the word of the Lord, that the apostles taught the jailer and his household:

Act 16:32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house.

 

[frederickdoc]

If it's not in the Bible, different Christians could claim different things. Here, you claim that the apostles knew beforehand that the jailer and his household would believe and be saved. If God does not say that in His word, are you claiming that God revealed it to you privately? Why would He do that? What difference does it make to your Christian life or your love for God?

I gave you the wording can you not read ?first off holy Spirit that you biggest thing to have
They the apostles by the holy Spirit spoke to whoever the jailer in this case again if you read properly Paul and Silas for Romans they were beaten by the Roman law that turned everything around they knew that dealer would be safe why is it so hard and why are you accusing me do you not know the word of God inside of you I can get bold in the spirit be careful with me I'm just trying to help you and I myself ain't the one who cares it don't matter to me

 

[frederickdoc]

Tell you the truth actually you're replies are all screwed up because you got some kind of religion in you or something I can see your flustered you don't have to be to slow down and read carefully what is in front of your eyes. Don't forget Paul knows how to be a Roman soldier they didn't tell the Roman authority that they were Roman citizens this changes everything because they were beaten why are you evading the proper reading in the Bible

 

[DavidLamb]

I gave you the wording can you not read ?first off holy Spirit that you biggest thing to have

Of course I can read, but you didn't give any Bible evidence that the apostles knew beforehand that the jailer and his household would believe and be saved.

They the apostles by the holy Spirit spoke to whoever the jailer in this case again if you read properly Paul and Silas for Romans they were beaten by the Roman law that turned everything around they knew that dealer would be safe why is it so hard and why are you accusing me do you not know the word of God inside of you I can get bold in the spirit be careful with me I'm just trying to help you and I myself ain't the one who cares it don't matter to me

Yes, of course they spoke by the Holy Spirit. But we are not told anywhere that they spoke to the jailer about Paul being a Roman citizen. Anyway, it was not the jailer who caused Paul, a Roman citizen to be beaten. It was the magistrates:

Act 16:22 Then the multitude rose up together against them; and the magistrates tore off their clothes and commanded them to be beaten with rods.

Act 16:35 And when it was day, the magistrates sent the officers, saying, "Let those men go."
Act 16:36 So the keeper of the prison reported these words to Paul, saying, "The magistrates have sent to let you go. Now therefore depart, and go in peace."
Act 16:37 But Paul said to them, "They have beaten us openly, uncondemned Romans, and have thrown us into prison. And now do they put us out secretly? No indeed! Let them come themselves and get us out."
Act 16:38 And the officers told these words to the magistrates, and they were afraid when they heard that they were Romans.

So the beating was ordered by the magistrates, not the jailer. (I think when you typed "dealer" you meant "jailer."

 

[frederickdoc]

So then The

Of course I can read, but you didn't give any Bible evidence that the apostles knew beforehand that the jailer and his household would believe and be saved.

Yes, of course they spoke by the Holy Spirit. But we are not told anywhere that they spoke to the jailer about Paul being a Roman citizen. Anyway, it was not the jailer who caused Paul, a Roman citizen to be beaten. It was the magistrates:

Act 16:22 Then the multitude rose up together against them; and the magistrates tore off their clothes and commanded them to be beaten with rods.

Act 16:35 And when it was day, the magistrates sent the officers, saying, "Let those men go."
Act 16:36 So the keeper of the prison reported these words to Paul, saying, "The magistrates have sent to let you go. Now therefore depart, and go in peace."
Act 16:37 But Paul said to them, "They have beaten us openly, uncondemned Romans, and have thrown us into prison. And now do they put us out secretly? No indeed! Let them come themselves and get us out."
Act 16:38 And the officers told these words to the magistrates, and they were afraid when they heard that they were Romans.

So the beating was ordered by the magistrates, not the jailer. (I think when you typed "dealer" you meant "jailer."

So Lord honored pauls prophecy .ok got it no need scripture me out. At least you didn't figure out where jailer house was then . Or jailer cleaned them up or did they also get cleaned ? That what sozo is receiving the holy Spirit Paul Silas or singing praising then the Lord did something and they went with the lead of The holy Spirit I've been there that is knowledge hands on if you don't happen to you that is not knowledge you think you have you're using somebody else's knowledge not your own go ahead check that out I'll call that wise

 

[DavidLamb]

So then The

So Lord honored pauls prophecy .ok got it no need scripture me out. At least you didn't figure out where jailer house was then . Or jailer cleaned them up or did they also get cleaned ? That what sozo is receiving the holy Spirit Paul Silas or singing praising then the Lord did something and they went with the lead of The holy Spirit I've been there that is knowledge hands on if you don't happen to you that is not knowledge you think you have you're using somebody else's knowledge not your own go ahead check that out I'll call that wise

What prophecy? The jailer asked how he could be saved. Paul answered him. That doesn't make it a prophecy.

By "knowledge hands on" do you mean practical knowledge?

"if you don't happen to you that is not knowledge" doesn't make sense. Did you mean, "If that hasn't happened to you, that is not knowledge" ?

 

[lrs68]

I'm late to this discussion but the Hebrew Alphabet is both Numerical and Word meaning in value. There's a reason God designed it that way. For that reason alone I would say it's very important for Believers to know the original Language of Hebrew.

 

[ATG]

What prophecy? The jailer asked how he could be saved. Paul answered him. That doesn't make it a prophecy.

By "knowledge hands on" do you mean practical knowledge?

"if you don't happen to you that is not knowledge" doesn't make sense. Did you mean, "If that hasn't happened to you, that is not knowledge" ?

This is an insteresting cross-argument. Did Frederick say Paul knew beforehand that the jailor would believe and be saved, or that he knew the jailor would be safe, and not suffer any death penalty for letting them escape?

frederick:
Paul and Silas for Romans they were beaten by the Roman law that turned everything around they knew that dealer would be safe.

You:
We are not told whether the apostle even knew beforehand that the jailer and his household would believe and be saved.

 

[BartholomewB]

A useful word list for anyone attempting to learn NT Greek. The 311 words listed here, each occurring 50 or more times, account for a total number of occurrences adding up to over 110,000, or very nearly 80 percent of the overall NT word count, usually stated as 138,020.

The website also gives the same 311 words listed in order of frequency.

Greek New Testament Vocabulary Lists

In preparation for teaching biblical Greek again this fall, I am once again thinking about the vocabulary I am asking my students to memo...

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