Some thoughts on the Sabbath...

[JustThinking]

Give us those words you speak of.

Lay your cards on the table.
Until you do?
We have no idea of what you are talking about.

“If you love me, keep my commandments.”
—John 14:15

“One who has my commandments and keeps them, that person is one who loves me. One who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him.”
—John 14:21

“If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.”
—John 15:10

“You are my friends if you do whatever I command you.”
—John 15:14

“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
—Matthew 19:17

“For you set aside the commandment of God, and hold tightly to the tradition of men...”
—Mark 7:8

“Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Therefore whoever shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.”
—Matthew 5:17–19

Jesus does not present obedience as the means by which we earn salvation. Rather, obedience is the response of those who love Him and remain in Him.

 

[Gideon300]

“If you love me, keep my commandments.”
—John 14:15

“One who has my commandments and keeps them, that person is one who loves me. One who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him.”
—John 14:21

“If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.”
—John 15:10

“You are my friends if you do whatever I command you.”
—John 15:14

“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
—Matthew 19:17

“For you set aside the commandment of God, and hold tightly to the tradition of men...”
—Mark 7:8

“Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Therefore whoever shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.”
—Matthew 5:17–19

Jesus does not present obedience as the means by which we earn salvation. Rather, obedience is the response of those who love Him and remain in Him.

How many demons have you cast out?

 

[JustThinking]

How many demons have you cast out?

What are you talking about?

 

[Roger316]

“If you love me, keep my commandments.”
—John 14:15

“One who has my commandments and keeps them, that person is one who loves me. One who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him.”
—John 14:21

“If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.”
—John 15:10

“You are my friends if you do whatever I command you.”
—John 15:14

“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
—Matthew 19:17

“For you set aside the commandment of God, and hold tightly to the tradition of men...”
—Mark 7:8

“Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Therefore whoever shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.”
—Matthew 5:17–19

Jesus does not present obedience as the means by which we earn salvation. Rather, obedience is the response of those who love Him and remain in Him.

Jesus commandments were not the Law. For examples of Jesus commandments refer to the sermon on the mount.

 

[Roger316]

Did God by his Own word say he write in their hearts that they will know the laws??
!if this isnt true then lets go find the stones to write on and make it mandatory on every state line every Church or shoot nowadays let's just tattoo everybody

Yes, and at that time each man and his neighbor will not say, "Know the lord" because they will all know him. Jeremiah 31:34

 

[Roger316]

The solution is grace.
By grace we achieve righteousness by imputed and imparted righteousness.

What is imputed or imparted righteousness in your view?

 

[JustThinking]

Jesus commandments were not the Law. For examples of Jesus commandments refer to the sermon on the mount.

You have got to be kidding! So, when did His commandments stop being His Law - His moral Law? The sermon on the mount is where Jesus spoke plainly and expressed more deeply how He saw His laws being practiced. He was not simply quoting His 10 commandments - everyone knew them by heart, He was teaching them what they mean... I have never ever heard anyone make a statement that the commandments were not the Law... Good luck!

 

[Gideon300]

What are you talking about?

It's one of Jesus' commandments. Too many Christians put themselves under law without realising what it means. You either live by law or by grace. There is no middle ground. If you are living by law, you condemn yourself because breaking one law means that you have broken them all.

 

[Churchgoer]

Only if God instructed us...did you forget that He created the seventh day AND it was the only day He made holy? You are free to follow the little horn (papacy), but for me, I will follow God.

How do you confirm this week s Saturday is the original Saturday in creation week?

 

[Wallace]

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

7Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

8This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

9A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

10I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

11And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

12I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Jesus also gave us a example of this and his new covnent :

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

This is a example of keeping the law of the flesh and of the spirit by which i say who is guilty? those who keep the law of moses? or those that follow the commands that Jesus left for us?
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

For the Law keepers, those who walk according to the Flesh i say to you that observing the sabbath may be the least of your worries, becareful to observe all 10 in the flesh, lieing, stealing, looking with lust, coveting, oh since you walk in the flesh be sure to sacrifce for the remission of sin, since it requires a blood sacrifice, All of these were fulfilled by the Finished work of Jesus Christ at the Cross, for to point to keeping of a day and ignoring the rest you do not do well, are you truly born again? do you have the holy spirit in you? examine yourselves and your hearts, are we slaves to the flesh? or are we to cruicfy the flesh? we walk in freedom or bondage? why you putting people back under the taskmaster when Jesus paid the price?

 

[Genez]

“If you love me, keep my commandments.”
—John 14:15

“One who has my commandments and keeps them, that person is one who loves me. One who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him.”
—John 14:21

“If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.”
—John 15:10

“You are my friends if you do whatever I command you.”
—John 15:14

“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
—Matthew 19:17

“For you set aside the commandment of God, and hold tightly to the tradition of men...”
—Mark 7:8

“Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Therefore whoever shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.”
—Matthew 5:17–19

Jesus does not present obedience as the means by which we earn salvation. Rather, obedience is the response of those who love Him and remain in Him.

That all sounds good.
But do you know what you are talking about?

Is Jesus commandments the Law of Moses?

 

[Roger316]

You have got to be kidding! So, when did His commandments stop being His Law - His moral Law? The sermon on the mount is where Jesus spoke plainly and expressed more deeply how He saw His laws being practiced. He was not simply quoting His 10 commandments - everyone knew them by heart, He was teaching them what they mean... I have never ever heard anyone make a statement that the commandments were not the Law... Good luck!

The Bible distinguishes between Jesus' commandments and the Law. In the First century, the debate was whether a Gentile follower of Jesus, who would definitely obey Jesus, would also be required to keep Moses. The answer is NO, a Gentile follower of Jesus is not required to keep Moses.

 

[Genez]

The Bible distinguishes between Jesus' commandments and the Law. In the First century, the debate was whether a Gentile follower of Jesus, who would definitely obey Jesus, would also be required to keep Moses. The answer is NO, a Gentile follower of Jesus is not required to keep Moses.

Here is all they were told to obey....

It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: ​

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You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and ​

from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.​

Acts 15:28-29

That was a far cry from following the Law of Moses.

 

[Roger316]

Here is all they were told to obey....

It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: ​

​

You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and ​

from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.​

Acts 15:28-29

That was a far cry from following the Law of Moses.

Yes, and my Bible teacher told me that James was not talking about sexual immorality the way we think of it. Rather, some of his readers practiced strange marriage customs such as marrying your cousin. James was recommending that his readers avoid that practice.

 

[Genez]

Yes, and my Bible teacher told me that James was not talking about sexual immorality the way we think of it. Rather, some of his readers practiced strange marriage customs such as marrying your cousin. James was recommending that his readers avoid that practice.

Might help?
Just a quick blurb here on how my pastor taught it...

From fornication (sex in connection with idolatry).....

Grace and peace .....

 

[Kroogz]

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But if you are being led by the Spirit, you aren’t under the Law. Galatians 5:18​

Those who are led by the Spirit? They know what that means.


What else can one tell you?

Do not quench the Spirit.
Do not grieve the Spirit.
Be filled with the Spirit.
Walk in the Spirit.

And it does not come naturally to us after we are saved.

We need our right pastor teacher and many months,hours and years to master it........And barely a soul gets the RIGHT teaching today.

The Christian way of life..........Matt 7:14~~For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

It is available to all, but few find it. Why? Because most settle for a man made religion and do not SEEK for truth.

Salvation and eternal life is easy....John 3:16, Acts 16:31. But LIFE in this world is doctrine and truth.....Few find it.

Hence the "not really saved, loss of salvation,forfeiting salvation and walking away from salvation" morons. And the fatalistic/calvie/reformed morons.

 

[frederickdoc]

The Bible distinguishes between Jesus' commandments and the Law. In the First century, the debate was whether a Gentile follower of Jesus, who would definitely obey Jesus, would also be required to keep Moses. The answer is NO, a Gentile follower of Jesus is not required to keep Moses.

I always focus in the question of greatest commandment and Love The Lord God W/ All Heart Soul Mind etc .its not hard to see in word That by Love ,This covers all & any laws . my only requirement is To the first and last command that Carries thus Love Gid is Live and the two command is Parah Gen and then in Gospel acuall the very kast cimmand jesus spoke in aramaic before his crucifixion. .The Parah is only from Heaven and The Holy Spirit Rauch is The hands on Knowledge To all That is of The Lord .
Im not good with religions lacking Holy Spirit I much better with Them that have The Anointing so im kinda aof a reaper or pruner? i say this cus i hear them in understanding.
But in here i guess I'm a sower kinda using The One Fruit as The seed. Its not really me but i have operated in all the attributes of the Holy Spirit. Its not that im anything special ,im just available in demand ,im sure i failed many times too but thats His patience. So here take the time to know Parah it has maybe 5 types shown in the book i often say 4 in the All it's inily Still One . Know to seek Ask the question" can i Parah without Gid is Love "?
Then you will see How great the greatest command is And more scripture will add to heart in this Enjoy think jesus in gisoel inly used the oarah once or twice .The command in English is Bear Fruit Grow multiply
parah is a heaven only much more meaning I don't think a man's mind can understand it so you might as well add are you a c h RUACH

 

[Genez]

Do not quench the Spirit.
Do not grieve the Spirit.
Be filled with the Spirit.
Walk in the Spirit.

And it does not come naturally to us after we are saved.

We need our right pastor teacher and many months,hours and years to master it........And barely a soul gets the RIGHT teaching today.

The Christian way of life..........Matt 7:14~~For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

It is available to all, but few find it. Why? Because most settle for a man made religion and do not SEEK for truth.

Salvation and eternal life is easy....John 3:16, Acts 16:31. But LIFE in this world is doctrine and truth.....Few find it.

Hence the "not really saved, loss of salvation,forfeiting salvation and walking away from salvation" morons. And the fatalistic/calvie/reformed morons.

Be nice!

 

[Kroogz]

Be nice!

1 Corinthians 1:25​

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.​

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The debate of today:​

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God is not wiser than the calvies/reformed and God is not stronger than the weak/loss/walk away/forfeit salvation crowd.​

 

[Roger316]

I always focus in the question of greatest commandment and Love The Lord God W/ All Heart Soul Mind etc .its not hard to see in word That by Love ,This covers all & any laws . my only requirement is To the first and last command that Carries thus Love Gid is Live and the two command is Parah Gen and then in Gospel acuall the very kast cimmand jesus spoke in aramaic before his crucifixion. .The Parah is only from Heaven and The Holy Spirit Rauch is The hands on Knowledge To all That is of The Lord .
Im not good with religions lacking Holy Spirit I much better with Them that have The Anointing so im kinda aof a reaper or pruner? i say this cus i hear them in understanding.
But in here i guess I'm a sower kinda using The One Fruit as The seed. Its not really me but i have operated in all the attributes of the Holy Spirit. Its not that im anything special ,im just available in demand ,im sure i failed many times too but thats His patience. So here take the time to know Parah it has maybe 5 types shown in the book i often say 4 in the All it's inily Still One . Know to seek Ask the question" can i Parah without Gid is Love "?
Then you will see How great the greatest command is And more scripture will add to heart in this Enjoy think jesus in gisoel inly used the oarah once or twice .The command in English is Bear Fruit Grow multiply
parah is a heaven only much more meaning I don't think a man's mind can understand it so you might as well add are you a c h RUACH

May the Lord guide you and help you as you minister to others.