Is Knowledge of the Original Languages Necessary for KJV Believers?

[frederickdoc]

What prophecy? The jailer asked how he could be saved. Paul answered him. That doesn't make it a prophecy.

By "knowledge hands on" do you mean practical knowledge?

"if you don't happen to you that is not knowledge" doesn't make sense. Did you mean, "If that hasn't happened to you, that is not knowledge" ?

Knowledge of The Lord is like you reading in about the jailer salvation .they chained sing ing oraise and the power of God shook the place and broke the chains you can read the rest again . The way you were twisting things thati didnt say so I said oh God must have fulfilled the prophecy they spoke to the jailer saying Trust on the Lord Jesus The Anointed . Anyway there is do much in that passage at this rate we not on What the lord needs us to do in Or Time of Need. Knowledge of Holy Spirit is Having The Holy Spirit Braking chains and locks just to Get to the will of God , in this case A whole house got Sozo.
Sing your praise to The Lord

 

[frederickdoc]

What prophecy? The jailer asked how he could be saved. Paul answered him. That doesn't make it a prophecy.

By "knowledge hands on" do you mean practical knowledge?

"if you don't happen to you that is not knowledge" doesn't make sense. Did you mean, "If that hasn't happened to you, that is not knowledge" ?

Find all that happened and few things stated already first jailer was to kill himself Paul couldnt see him in Blackness chamber But Paul knew because He was Roman leader..The jailer was asking about His flesh and that life.Paul in The holy Spirit gave him a dual life offer and that to Eternal i dont know if jailer dunged his shorts most likely profusely trembling and think about Paul saying we are all here how Many and how did all stay if there was unbelieving men stayed in the jail ?. It's prob cus from the singing praise and the Earth shook they were too afraid to move if they, if there was other men of carnel mind obviously they all stayed in the jailer custody even though they went to the jailers house
you have to know the history of the jailers and where they lived
I know they had a secret but I don't know who let the secret out right there you twisted my words also I'm surprised Paul wasnt recognize and then they send Messengers to cast them out of the city that wasn't happening lots stuff there One day i go read in it but i like to see it if that ok .

 

[Genez]

The idea that a person must know the Bible’s original languages in order to understand God’s truth is questionable—especially when eternal salvation is connected to believing and obeying the Word of God. Jesus said, “The word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day” (John 12:48)

Salvation of the Gospel is for the baby.

God has provided only a few good teachers who will take care of the original languages problem for those who wish to keep maturing.

 

[Bible_Locket]

This Friday at 7:00PM (Eastern) / 6:00PM (Central Time):

Those who insist our Salvation is at risk for any imagined slights will answer to God.

No. You don't need to know the origin nal languages.

The words,verbal teachings,preexisted the printed word.

The word of God,is God.

The message is singular and universal through the Holy Spirit.

There are lots of opponents of the Gospel. They'll make any excuse in order to lead naive people to think Salvation is not eternal and irrevocable.

Because eternal irrevocable Salvation threatens the authority of the Enemy.

And because of this,his
disciples strive to call the Gospel false.

The only word you need to know,is that one that knows you. God.

 

[cv5]

The idea that a person must know the Bible’s original languages in order to understand God’s truth is questionable—especially when eternal salvation is connected to believing and obeying the Word of God. Jesus said, “The word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day” (John 12:48).

Equally important is what Jesus taught about the Holy Ghost. He said that the Spirit would lead believers into all truth (John 16:13). This indicates that understanding God’s truth is not reserved only for scholars or those trained in Hebrew and Greek, but is available to sincere believers through the guidance of the Holy Ghost.

For those who criticize the King James Version, consider this: the KJV has been the most widely distributed and influential English translations in history. Surely that was not without purpose.

If the KJV were incapable of conveying truth reliably, how would it be just for God to judge generations of people who had no access to the original languages and depended on that translation to know His Word?

If its message were fundamentally unreliable, how could people be held accountable for what they had no ability to verify or control?

[1Co 4:1 KJV] 1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

There are levels friend. There are levels.
Paul of course was of the elite level of scholarship and.....understanding.

According to lexicographical studies based on the Oxford English Dictionary, there are 822 words whose first recorded appearance in written English occurs in William Tyndale’s translation of the Bible.

Because printing was still relatively new in the early 16th century, scholars distinguish between words Tyndale may have been the first to put into print from spoken speech versus terms he explicitly invented to translate complex Hebrew and Greek concepts.

Key Words Invented or Popularized by Tyndale
When translating from the original Hebrew and Greek texts, Tyndale found that Middle/Early Modern English lacked direct equivalents for several key biblical concepts. To bridge these gaps, he invented new compound words and terms that remain standard today:
* Atonement: Created by joining "at" + "one" + "-ment" to translate reconciliation or being "at one" with God.
* Passover: Coined from the Hebrew Pesach, describing God "passing over" the houses of the Israelites.
* Scapegoat: Invented to translate the Hebrew azazel (the goat carrying away sins into the wilderness).
* Mercy seat: Created to render the Hebrew kapporet (the cover of the Ark of the Covenant).
* Showbread (Shewbread): Coined to translate the bread of the presence in the Tabernacle.
* Lovingkindness & Longsuffering: Compound terms created to capture the deep relational mercy and patience in Hebrew theology.
* Peacemaker: Coined in his New Testament translation for the Sermon on the Mount.
* Jehovah: The first English rendering of the divine name (JHWH).
Beyond single words, Tyndale generated dozens of everyday English idioms, including "the powers that be," "my brother's keeper," "the salt of the earth," and "let there be light." His phrasing was so influential that roughly 80% to 84% of the King James Bible’s New Testament text was retained directly from Tyndale’s origin
al phrasing.

 

[frederickdoc]

[1Co 4:1 KJV] 1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

There are levels friend. There are levels.
Paul of course was of the elite level of scholarship and.....understanding.

According to lexicographical studies based on the Oxford English Dictionary, there are 822 words whose first recorded appearance in written English occurs in William Tyndale’s translation of the Bible.

Because printing was still relatively new in the early 16th century, scholars distinguish between words Tyndale may have been the first to put into print from spoken speech versus terms he explicitly invented to translate complex Hebrew and Greek concepts.

Key Words Invented or Popularized by Tyndale
When translating from the original Hebrew and Greek texts, Tyndale found that Middle/Early Modern English lacked direct equivalents for several key biblical concepts. To bridge these gaps, he invented new compound words and terms that remain standard today:
* Atonement: Created by joining "at" + "one" + "-ment" to translate reconciliation or being "at one" with God.
* Passover: Coined from the Hebrew Pesach, describing God "passing over" the houses of the Israelites.
* Scapegoat: Invented to translate the Hebrew azazel (the goat carrying away sins into the wilderness).
* Mercy seat: Created to render the Hebrew kapporet (the cover of the Ark of the Covenant).
* Showbread (Shewbread): Coined to translate the bread of the presence in the Tabernacle.
* Lovingkindness & Longsuffering: Compound terms created to capture the deep relational mercy and patience in Hebrew theology.
* Peacemaker: Coined in his New Testament translation for the Sermon on the Mount.
* Jehovah: The first English rendering of the divine name (JHWH).
Beyond single words, Tyndale generated dozens of everyday English idioms, including "the powers that be," "my brother's keeper," "the salt of the earth," and "let there be light." His phrasing was so influential that roughly 80% to 84% of the King James Bible’s New Testament text was retained directly from Tyndale’s origin
al phrasing.

I forget still around same time frame KJ used this guy bible and he is the guy that added the italic words.later down the road that same guy got kicked out of the church for some reason I can find his name I just don't have it memorized I'm not big history buff. what I do like to look words up in the Aramaic and like the Greek you'll find two or three more meanings that are much meaningful than the ones in the book in English maybe at the original time hascstring meanings but nowadays many words have no true meaning to the Heart

 

[DavidLamb]

This is an insteresting cross-argument. Did Frederick say Paul knew beforehand that the jailor would believe and be saved, or that he knew the jailor would be safe, and not suffer any death penalty for letting them escape?

frederick:
Paul and Silas for Romans they were beaten by the Roman law that turned everything around they knew that dealer would be safe.

You:
We are not told whether the apostle even knew beforehand that the jailer and his household would believe and be saved.

It wasn't clear exactly what frederickdoc meant. As I mentioned in a reply to him, the jailer would only have been in danger from his Roman bosses if any prisoners had escaped, but Paul assured him that none of them had:

NKJV Act 16:28 But Paul called with a loud voice, saying, "Do yourself no harm, for we are all here."

So by the time the jailer asked about being saved, both he and Paul knew that he was in no danger from the Roman authorities.

As for the beating, that was ordered by the magistrates, not by the jailer. Nor did the jailer perform the beatings, which happened before the apostles were jailed:

NKJV Act 16:22 Then the multitude rose up together against them; and the magistrates tore off their clothes and commanded them to be beaten with rods.
Act 16:23 And when they had laid many stripes on them, they threw them into prison, commanding the jailer to keep them securely.

 

[DavidLamb]

I forget still around same time frame KJ used this guy bible and he is the guy that added the italic words.later down the road that same guy got kicked out of the church for some reason I can find his name I just don't have it memorized I'm not big history buff. what I do like to look words up in the Aramaic and like the Greek you'll find two or three more meanings that are much meaningful than the ones in the book in English maybe at the original time hascstring meanings but nowadays many words have no true meaning to the Heart

I think it was printers and editors of later editions like the 1769 who used italics to mark English words that didn't translate any particular word in Hebrew or Greek, but had been added by the translators to make good English. For example:

KJV Act 16:22 And the multitude rose up together against them: and the magistrates rent off their clothes, and commanded to beat them.

The translators added "them" because "the magistrates rent off their clothes, and commanded to beat" doesn't make sense in English.

Notable among these editors was Benjamin Blaney. As far as I know he didn't get "kicked out of the church." He was still a clergyman in the Church of England up to his death in 1801.

 

[ResidentAlien]

You don't have to be a Aramaic, Greek or Hebrew scholar; but it's a good idea to know what the manuscripts say. Otherwise you'll fall prey to those who will try to convince you that it isn't necessary to know what the manuscripts say. They will say: I have a translation that was given by divine providence; you can trust it without knowing anything about the manuscripts. Even teachers can lead you astray; so, better to investigate for yourself.

 

[Wansvic]

Salvation of the Gospel is for the baby.

God has provided only a few good teachers who will take care of the original languages problem for those who wish to keep maturing.

Your apparent "dig" that the salvation of the gospel is “for the baby” overlooks something very important: the gospel is what brings the spiritual baby into existence in the first place. Before the New Testament rebirth takes place, there is no spiritual baby ready to grow.

A person cannot grow spiritually before receiving spiritual life, just as a natural child cannot mature before being born. Jesus did not tell Nicodemus that he merely needed more religious education or a deeper understanding of the original languages. He told him plainly, “Ye must be born again” (John 3:7). And scripture reveals how that becomes a reality as seen in how people responded when the gospel brought them to the point of asking what they must do: "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost” (Acts 2:38).

I think people lose sight of the fact that the Word of God is living and powerful (Heb. 4:12). Its essential truth is not locked away in Greek and Hebrew or reserved for scholars. God gave His Word to reveal truth, not to conceal things behind academic barriers. The entrance of His words gives light and understanding even to the simple (Ps. 119:130).

Studying Greek, Hebrew, history, and theology can help to increase a person’s knowledge. But, that knowledge cannot make the Word of God more alive than it already is. Pursuing a deeper understanding of the original languages is far less important than making sure we have obeyed God’s plainly revealed instructions concerning the new birth

The new birth is not merely a beginner’s lesson that scholars eventually outgrow. It is the beginning of spiritual life itself. Without that foundation, all the religious education and linguistic knowledge in the world cannot produce the life that comes only through being born of water and of the Spirit (John 3:5). Jesus also warned that religious words, knowledge, and even impressive works do not prove that a person truly belongs to Him. What matters is doing the will of God.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” (Matt. 7:21–23).

Greek and Hebrew may help explain certain details, but they do not give life to the Word or to the hearer. The Word is already alive, and its saving message is clear enough for ordinary people to hear, believe, and obey.

 

[Genez]

Your apparent "dig" that the salvation of the gospel is “for the baby” overlooks something very important: the gospel is what brings the spiritual baby into existence in the first place. Before the New Testament rebirth takes place, there is no spiritual baby ready to grow.

A person cannot grow spiritually before receiving spiritual life, just as a natural child cannot mature before being born. Jesus did not tell Nicodemus that he merely needed more religious education or a deeper understanding of the original languages. He told him plainly, “Ye must be born again” (John 3:7). And scripture reveals how that becomes a reality as seen in how people responded when the gospel brought them to the point of asking what they must do: "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost” (Acts 2:38).

I think people lose sight of the fact that the Word of God is living and powerful (Heb. 4:12). Its essential truth is not locked away in Greek and Hebrew or reserved for scholars. God gave His Word to reveal truth, not to conceal things behind academic barriers. The entrance of His words gives light and understanding even to the simple (Ps. 119:130).

Studying Greek, Hebrew, history, and theology can help to increase a person’s knowledge. But, that knowledge cannot make the Word of God more alive than it already is. Pursuing a deeper understanding of the original languages is far less important than making sure we have obeyed God’s plainly revealed instructions concerning the new birth

The new birth is not merely a beginner’s lesson that scholars eventually outgrow. It is the beginning of spiritual life itself. Without that foundation, all the religious education and linguistic knowledge in the world cannot produce the life that comes only through being born of water and of the Spirit (John 3:5). Jesus also warned that religious words, knowledge, and even impressive works do not prove that a person truly belongs to Him. What matters is doing the will of God.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” (Matt. 7:21–23).

Greek and Hebrew may help explain certain details, but they do not give life to the Word or to the hearer. The Word is already alive, and its saving message is clear enough for ordinary people to hear, believe, and obey.

Without knowledge of the Word we could not be saved.

Mere knowledge (academic understanding) in the Greek (gnosis) is translated as "knowledge."

Yet, knowledge that the Spirit has given spiritual power to is also called knowledge.
That word in the Greek is epignosis.

Gnosis = academic understanding of God's Word.
Epignosis = knowledge that the Spirit is making alive and a part of your living experience in Christ.

Baby Christians can only digest the basic "milk of the Word."

That's all I intended to say.

 

[Genez]

Your apparent "dig" that the salvation of the gospel is “for the baby” overlooks something very important: the gospel is what brings the spiritual baby into existence in the first place. Before the New Testament rebirth takes place, there is no spiritual baby ready to grow.

Gospel is for those who are to become babies. "Milk."

 

[frederickdoc]

I think it was printers and editors of later editions like the 1769 who used italics to mark English words that didn't translate any particular word in Hebrew or Greek, but had been added by the translators to make good English. For example:

KJV Act 16:22 And the multitude rose up together against them: and the magistrates rent off their clothes, and commanded to beat them.

The translators added "them" because "the magistrates rent off their clothes, and commanded to beat" doesn't make sense in English.

Notable among these editors was Benjamin Blaney. As far as I know he didn't get "kicked out of the church." He was still a clergyman in the Church of England up to his death in 1801.

No thats not a Guy live 200 yrs he had His own Bible bfote k james v . Ill get the name he did get kick out of the church later here
Miles Coverdale absolutely got kicked out of his position in the church and was forced to flee for his life.

 

[frederickdoc]

Im not a big fan cus the one scrioture used an italicized word MEN insted if JUDGEMENT and this scripture takes away from The true wird if God greately

 

[DavidLamb]

No thats not a Guy live 200 yrs he had His own Bible bfote k james v . Ill get the name he did get kick out of the church later here
Miles Coverdale absolutely got kicked out of his position in the church and was forced to flee for his life.

Miles Coverdale lived before the KJV was translated. He didn't get kicked out of the church. He did flee to continental Europe in 1528, because in his time, England was still under Roman Catholic domination. Coverdale didn't agree with Roman Catholic doctrines, and he realised it would be dangerous for him to remain in England - he had defended Robert Barnes at his trial for "heresy", and so he knew the dangers. (Barnes was eventually burned at the stake). Coverdale died in 1561, so many years before the KJV in 1611.

 

[DavidLamb]

Im not a big fan cus the one scrioture used an italicized word MEN insted if JUDGEMENT and this scripture takes away from The true wird if God greately

Do you have a verse for that?

 

[BartholomewB]

Do you have a verse for that?

I have an idea it may be Jude 4, where the Greek plural asebeis (impious or godless) requires an English noun to go with it, in this case "men" in the KJV or "ones" in some more recent translations.

This comes a few words after krima, meaning "judgment" or, in the KJV, "condemnation."

 

[BartholomewB]

I have an idea it may be Jude 4, where the Greek plural asebeis (impious or godless) requires an English noun to go with it, in this case "men" in the KJV or "ones" in some more recent translations.

This comes a few words after krima, meaning "judgment" or, in the KJV, "condemnation."

Correction: I mistakenly wrote "a few words after"; in fact it's the very next word in the Greek text.

 

[DavidLamb]

I have an idea it may be Jude 4, where the Greek plural asebeis (impious or godless) requires an English noun to go with it, in this case "men" in the KJV or "ones" in some more recent translations.

This comes a few words after krima, meaning "judgment" or, in the KJV, "condemnation."

Thanks. If that is the verse he meant, then nobody has taken away the word "men". It wasn't there in the original Greek.

 

[dkontner]

If I knew Greek, what manuscipt would I reference? I'll stick with the received text and the KJV. The bibles are NOT the same. The KJV claims it's not corrupt. I could make this a very long post. It's not hard to compare and see which one that stands alone. The God who saved me parted the waters and made promises. One of those was to preserve His word. I have ZERO doubt and know EXACTLY where it is. It's not good to overthrow kings.

2 Corinthians 2​

17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

Psalm 12​

6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.