Harvesting of the Earth

[dkontner]

Ephesians 2​

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

 

[Churchgoer]

That's like saying there are also no males nor females today in this world. This sentiment is rooted in replacement theology, which is antisemitic at its very root.

Sorry, but your conclusion along this line is grossly flawed from the perspective of scripture. In this world, the distinctions still exist, although in Christ, for salvation, there are no distinctions given that His salvation is available to all irrespective of the existing distinctions.

MM

You are completely wrong.

From OT to NT, it is always about God, Jesus, not about Abraham.
We are not worshipping Abraham, stop with all these non sense!
Do not claim yourself a Christian if you worship your ethnic ancestors, it is call paganism.

Be honest to God and to yourself. At least the atheist and jews they are honest, they don't pretent to believe in Jesus. I gave them a lot of credit for this part.

 

[Musicmaster]

Ephesians 2​

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

When people push their interpretation of these passages to the point of eradicating the distinctions that still exist in this world and in relation to God's coming New Covenant in the Millennium, the plethora of problems continue to be ignored by the perpetrators on the basis of convenience, or they sink to the level of subjective interpretations to try and force the scriptural texts to say what they want by injections and divisions.

The tribulation is precisely focused upon unbelieving, genetic Israel, which is why we of the body of Christ will all be removed before that horror is poured out upon the earth in those seven years known as the 70th week of Jacob's Trouble, not Luther's Trouble or some other Gentile group origin.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

You are completely wrong.

From OT to NT, it is always about God, Jesus, not about Abraham.
We are not worshipping Abraham, stop with all these non sense!
Do not claim yourself a Christian if you worship your ethnic ancestors, it is call paganism.

Be honest to God and to yourself. At least the atheist and jews they are honest, they don't pretent to believe in Jesus. I gave them a lot of credit for this part.

You are indeed antisemitic. I never did detract from Christ being THE focus of it all, but HIS focus was and is still fixated upon Israel for the future tribulation and the Millennial Kingdom. To WHOM did Christ come? To Israel. Of WHOM is salvation? Of the JEWS! Please don't persist in your antisemitic rhetoric along this line. It's offense are the coals upon your own head.

MM

 

[dkontner]

Isaiah 65
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

 

[Churchgoer]

You are indeed antisemitic. I never did detract from Christ being THE focus of it all, but HIS focus was and is still fixated upon Israel for the future tribulation and the Millennial Kingdom.

God centered, not human centered. Enough of human worshipping.

To WHOM did Christ come? To Israel. Of WHOM is salvation? Of the JEWS!

Jesus come to children of Jesus. Again enough of racism, prejudice against all humanity, especially against jews. You are telling jews don't follow Jesus, you are truly cursing jews, you are the real anti Jewish. Jewish people can't get salvation like Paul, Peter? Stop with your anti Jewish talking.

Please don't persist in your antisemitic rhetoric along this line. It's offense are the coals upon your own head.

MM

Following Jesus is definitely anti secular.
Secular people are anti Jesus, period.

semantic? Jesus is of that lineage in earthly sense. We are called to follow Jesus, not semantic. If you want to worship semantic, just call yourself semantitian. No one is stopping you for that!

 

[Musicmaster]

Isaiah 65
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

The lack of discerning the time and situational conditions of those texts speaking to the ancients in the context of their present condition at that time and in that moment, you've helped us all to see the fallacies arising from a lack of proper application of context AND considering that the Lord has many times said He is going to DO something to to us of Israel for our disobedience, some of them extreme, and later change His course of action based upon someone standing in the gap for us as a nation of people.

So, throwing around various passages that have contextual limitations given the entire scope of scripture, had the Lord stuck to this contextual declaration along with the previous one, Christ would have had to be born a Gentile at His coming, and we all know that wasn't the case at all.

MM

 

[dkontner]

Galatians 3​

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

 

[Churchgoer]

Jesus , who was born of a virgin, He said before Abraham, " I am".

Jesus did not take any human sins that passed down from Adam. He is the beginning and the end. If Jesus inherit human blood from Mary, He will get sins from Mary.

Please be clear. Jesus is the God before beginning of creation. All ethnicity is created by Him, and for Him.

Throughout entire Bible, God never elevate one ethnic above the other. Jesus salvation is to all who accept Him as Lord and savior, including Mary, Paul, peter.... do not be an anti-jew by telling them to reject Jesus!!!! That is anti-Jesus plus anti-jew.

God never change!!!!!!!!

 

[Omegatime]

Word of God did choose Israel from all the nations of the earth and his attention will be seen for Israel in the Tribulation

 

[OMC]

You are indeed antisemitic. I never did detract from Christ being THE focus of it all, but HIS focus was and is still fixated upon Israel for the future tribulation and the Millennial Kingdom. To WHOM did Christ come? To Israel. Of WHOM is salvation? Of the JEWS! Please don't persist in your antisemitic rhetoric along this line. It's offense are the coals upon your own head.

MM

According to Scripture,
Christ came to Israel first “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24),
Salvation is from the Jews, “Salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22)
This means:
The Messiah is Jewish
The covenants are Jewish
The promises are Jewish
The Scriptures are Jewish
The apostles are Jewish
The gospel itself is rooted in Israel’s story
This is not up for debate. It is the foundation of Christian theology.
But Jesus says this in a conversation with a Samaritan woman, showing that the Jewish source of salvation does not restrict its recipients.
The prophets, Jesus, and the apostles all affirm:
Israel’s future repentance (Zechariah 12:10)
Israel’s national restoration (Ezekiel 36–37)
Jerusalem as the kingdom center (Isaiah 2:1–4)
The land promises fulfilled (Genesis 17:7–8; Romans 11:29)
The tribulation centered on Israel (Jeremiah 30:7; Matthew 24)
The nations streaming to Zion (Isaiah 11:10; Micah 4:1–3)
So again, you are correct: Israel is central in God’s eschatological plan.
But Scripture also says, “In you all nations shall be blessed.” (Genesis 12:3)
Israel’s role is mediatorial, not exclusive.
To affirm Gentile inclusion is not antisemitic. To affirm Israel’s election is not exclusionary. Scripture holds both truths together without contradiction.
Paul warns Gentiles, “Do not be arrogant toward the branches.” (Romans 11:18)
And he warns Israel “They too, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in.” (Romans 11:23)
The danger is pride, not ethnicity.
Salvation is:
From Israel (John 4:22)
Through Israel’s Messiah (Romans 9:5)
For Israel first (Romans 1:16)
And for all nations (Isaiah 49:6; Matthew 28:19)
God’s plan is:
Centered on Israel
Extended to the nations
United in Christ
Completed in the kingdom
There is no contradiction. There is no antisemitism. There is only Scripture.

 

[Omegatime]

I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

 

[Churchgoer]

According to Scripture,
Christ came to Israel first “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24),
Salvation is from the Jews, “Salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22)
This means:
The Messiah is Jewish
The covenants are Jewish
The promises are Jewish
The Scriptures are Jewish
The apostles are Jewish
The gospel itself is rooted in Israel’s story
This is not up for debate. It is the foundation of Christian theology.
But Jesus says this in a conversation with a Samaritan woman, showing that the Jewish source of salvation does not restrict its recipients.
The prophets, Jesus, and the apostles all affirm:
Israel’s future repentance (Zechariah 12:10)
Israel’s national restoration (Ezekiel 36–37)
Jerusalem as the kingdom center (Isaiah 2:1–4)
The land promises fulfilled (Genesis 17:7–8; Romans 11:29)
The tribulation centered on Israel (Jeremiah 30:7; Matthew 24)
The nations streaming to Zion (Isaiah 11:10; Micah 4:1–3)
So again, you are correct: Israel is central in God’s eschatological plan.
But Scripture also says, “In you all nations shall be blessed.” (Genesis 12:3)
Israel’s role is mediatorial, not exclusive.
To affirm Gentile inclusion is not antisemitic. To affirm Israel’s election is not exclusionary. Scripture holds both truths together without contradiction.
Paul warns Gentiles, “Do not be arrogant toward the branches.” (Romans 11:18)
And he warns Israel “They too, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in.” (Romans 11:23)
The danger is pride, not ethnicity.
Salvation is:
From Israel (John 4:22)
Through Israel’s Messiah (Romans 9:5)
For Israel first (Romans 1:16)
And for all nations (Isaiah 49:6; Matthew 28:19)
God’s plan is:
Centered on Israel
Extended to the nations
United in Christ
Completed in the kingdom
There is no contradiction. There is no antisemitism. There is only Scripture.

Time is fluid in God's hand.
Jesus says the last will be first , the first will be last....

People are so easy to throw anti semantic to others, while their very action is anti jew. They are throwing a rock to their own feet.

Oops

 

[OMC]

Time is fluid in God's hand.
Jesus says the last will be first , the first will be last....

People are so easy to throw anti semantic to others, while their very action is anti jew. They are throwing a rock to their own feet.

Oops

We all fall short my friend, Pride is the vail, it only needs removing. A process easier said than done I assure you. The veil doesn’t need to be ripped off. It can be lifted gently. And every time it lifts, even a little, you see more clearly, breathe more freely, and walk more honestly.

 

[2Christ]

Additionally, I continue to hear many talk about how AI is "getting smarter," which is just another deceptive lie among so many the world parades around as sound fact. It cannot and never will be able to reason apart from the governing mathematical equations that control the choice processes for information selection.

For example, I once tested a very large AI system for economic solutions to modern problems, and it pointed to socialistic moorings at every point, glamorizing complex, socialistic solutions for its answers to the economic woes in modern times from corporate and governmental greed.

AI is so stupid because the algorithms never include the fallenness of human nature. Mathematics simply cannot be constructed in such a way as to mimic true, genuine reasoning because it cannot include emotions as a part of the guiding thought paths for decision-making. It also cannot work from any basis of the spiritual. Again, mathematic algorithms simply have no way of expressing such depths of God's creations within us...obviously.

MM

https://twitter.com/x/status/2091915909623345340

 

[Musicmaster]

Galatians 3​

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

What are you assuming from this, may I ask?

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Jesus , who was born of a virgin, He said before Abraham, " I am".

Jesus did not take any human sins that passed down from Adam. He is the beginning and the end. If Jesus inherit human blood from Mary, He will get sins from Mary.

Please be clear. Jesus is the God before beginning of creation. All ethnicity is created by Him, and for Him.

Throughout entire Bible, God never elevate one ethnic above the other. Jesus salvation is to all who accept Him as Lord and savior, including Mary, Paul, peter.... do not be an anti-jew by telling them to reject Jesus!!!! That is anti-Jesus plus anti-jew.

God never change!!!!!!!!

This in interesting. Where did anyone say anything about one group elevated above any other, positionally speaking? What's the basis of your comment?

MM

 

[Churchgoer]

This in interesting. Where did anyone say anything about one group elevated above any other, positionally speaking? What's the basis of your comment?

MM

Not sure how you pick up that? Why not?

I see people elevating all golden calfs. You can examine all cc posts.

The point is 1st commandment, thou shall have no other gods before me.

No ethnic god, no wooden god, no political god.

Supporting one secular group over another secular group, supporting pig over lobster, is elevating pigs . Especially hijacking God's name and steal, murder ....

 

[Omegatime]

Not sure how you pick up that? Why not?

I see people elevating all golden calfs. You can examine all cc posts.

The point is 1st commandment, thou shall have no other gods before me.

No ethnic god, no wooden god, no political god.

Supporting one secular group over another secular group, supporting pig over lobster, is elevating pigs . Especially hijacking God's name and steal, murder ....

I have a hard time following you churhgoer

Bet you celebrate Christmas along with Santa who knows if you been naughty or nice

 

[Churchgoer]

I have a hard time following you churhgoer

Bet you celebrate Christmas along with Santa who knows if you been naughty or nice

Your bet is wrong.

You have been following me?

Ouch....