Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[OMC]

Faithful Israel is a spiritual nation already, but that is a very bad reason to support unfaithful Israel.
When a cause like that is considered to be a "virtue", good is considered evil and evil is considered good

Scripture makes the principle unavoidable: faithful Israel is the remnant chosen by grace, the spiritual nation within the nation (Rom. 9:6; 11:5), but that reality never obligates a believer to treat unfaithful Israel’s actions as righteous, because Isaiah warned that when a people calls evil good and good evil (Isa. 5:20), covenant identity cannot be used as a shield for unrighteousness; the remnant is honored for its faith, but the unbelieving majority is never defended simply because it bears the name “Israel,” since Paul himself refused to justify unbelieving Israel’s conduct while still affirming God’s irrevocable promises to the faithful remnant.

 

[cv5]

Faithful Israel is a spiritual nation already, but that is a very bad reason to support unfaithful Israel.
When a cause like that is considered to be a "virtue", good is considered evil and evil is considered good.
2Timothy 4:3.

So let me get this straight:

You are insisting that we all should despise Israel..... because they are not yet faithful, are not yet saved, have not yet entered into the New Covenant?

And what exactly is this "cause" that you speak of? Is it the necessary "end-time" prophetically validated establishment of the Nation Israel? Which is coming to pass in real time?

It occurs to me that Satan is likewise concerned.....

 

[Churchgoer]

We should treat all secular people equal. Tell them about Jesus, if they reject, shake off the dirt under your shoes, move on.

God never need our help to put him on the Cross.

God did tell us to spread gospel and love God and neighbor.

 

[cv5]

We should treat all secular people equal. Tell them about Jesus, if they reject, shake off the dirt under your shoes, move on.

God never need our help to put him on the Cross.

God did tell us to spread gospel and love God and neighbor.

According to you: Except if they happen to be Israelites.

 

[Churchgoer]

According to you: Except if they happen to be Israelites.

Scripture reference?
God tell Christians to help isrealites to kill, steal, rejecting Jesus?

 

[Beekeeper]

For the record you have never come across as bitter and/or resentful.

Reminds me of the truth in this saying, "when pointing a finger at someone else, three fingers are pointing back to the person making the accusation."

Thanks, but you give me undue credit.

I think I have already shared with you that my father's generation were refugees from former Palestine, although they were not Arab by ancestry.
I have always been confronted by the hostility that many Western Christians have towards Arabs, Palestinians in particular.
In light of my families understanding of the plight of the Palestinians, these people appear quite insane.
They present themselves as mental patients, and not as ministers of the gospel of peace.
Their willingness to believe lies has become the excuse for many who wish to confirm themselves in unbelief.
Unbelievers pat themselves on the back, because they have not taken up the fanaticism and ignorance of the Christian Zionist.

Well, all of us have our families and all of us are subjected to both our own faults and the faults of others.
We hope for the forgiveness and patience of Christ, and are called to practice grace to others.
Trying to be a "good church boy" by maintaining a plastic silence has not worked for me spiritually, and I would emphasize the need to find a voice.
I would suggest that we are as free as we need to be to hate evil powers, but we should never do so at the expense of loving others.
I can not pretend that I have always lived up to this aspiration.

 

[OMC]

I think I have already shared with you that my father's generation were refugees from former Palestine, although they were not Arab by ancestry.
I have always been confronted by the hostility that many Western Christians have towards Arabs, Palestinians in particular.
In light of my families understanding of the plight of the Palestinians, these people appear quite insane.
They present themselves as mental patients, and not as ministers of the gospel of peace.
Their willingness to believe lies has become the excuse for many who wish to confirm themselves in unbelief.
Unbelievers pat themselves on the back, because they have not taken up the fanaticism and ignorance of the Christian Zionist.

Well, all of us have our families and all of us are subjected to both our own faults and the faults of others.
We hope for the forgiveness and patience of Christ, and are called to practice grace to others.
Trying to be a "good church boy" by maintaining a plastic silence has not worked for me spiritually, and I would emphasize the need to find a voice.
I would suggest that we are as free as we need to be to hate evil powers, but we should never do so at the expense of loving others.
I can not pretend that I have always lived up to this aspiration

Scripture teaches that every believer must learn to hold truth and love together, and your experience simply exposes how easily Christians can forget that “the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God” while Christ commands us to “pursue peace with all men”; hostility toward Arabs or Palestinians is a violation of the gospel, because the Lord makes no distinction in dignity between Jew or Greek, Arab or Westerner, and when Christians embrace political passions that eclipse mercy, they cease to reflect the One who died for every nation; yet your call is exactly right — we are free to hate evil powers, as the prophets did, but never free to hate people, and the path forward is neither plastic silence nor reactionary rage, but the steady obedience of speaking truth with grace, refusing lies, and remembering that Christ’s patience toward our own failures is the measure of the patience we owe others, even when their wounds or blindness run deep.

 

[HeIsHere]

Scripture teaches that every believer must learn to hold truth and love together, and your experience simply exposes how easily Christians can forget that “the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God” while Christ commands us to “pursue peace with all men”; hostility toward Arabs or Palestinians is a violation of the gospel, because the Lord makes no distinction in dignity between Jew or Greek, Arab or Westerner, and when Christians embrace political passions that eclipse mercy, they cease to reflect the One who died for every nation; yet your call is exactly right — we are free to hate evil powers, as the prophets did, but never free to hate people, and the path forward is neither plastic silence nor reactionary rage, but the steady obedience of speaking truth with grace, refusing lies, and remembering that Christ’s patience toward our own failures is the measure of the patience we owe others, even when their wounds or blindness run deep.

So you would agree calling Christians anti-Semitic, (because many Christians correctly no longer give them favored status since their

role was to bring forth the Messiah which they did) is hostility towards a Christian and even worse an attempt to make oneself God and

judge another person's heart.

 

[OMC]

So you would agree calling Christians anti-Semitic, (because many Christians correctly no longer give them favored status since their

role was to bring forth the Messiah which they did) is hostility towards a Christian and even worse an attempt to make oneself God and

judge another person's heart.

Scripture teaches us to speak with truth and charity, and that means we must be very careful about assigning motives or accusing hearts. Paul warns believers not to “judge another man’s servant” because each Christian stands or falls before the Lord alone (Romans 14:4). Calling fellow believers anti‑Semitic simply because they affirm what Scripture says about Israel’s role in redemptive history is not only unfair, it risks violating Christ’s command: “Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). God alone searches the heart (1 Samuel 16:7), and when we claim to know another believer’s inner motives, we step into a place that belongs only to Him. At the same time, Scripture commands us to show honor toward the Jewish people (Romans 11:18), reject hatred of any kind (Ephesians 4:31), and speak truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). So yes — condemning Christians’ hearts without cause is itself a form of hostility, and Scripture calls us instead to humility, careful speech, and the unity of the Spirit.

 

[Beekeeper]

So let me get this straight:

You are insisting that we all should despise Israel..... because they are not yet faithful, are not yet saved, have not yet entered into the New Covenant?

And what exactly is this "cause" that you speak of? Is it the necessary "end-time" prophetically validated establishment of the Nation Israel? Which is coming to pass in real time?

It occurs to me that Satan is likewise concerned.....

Heavenly Jerusalem under Jesus is real, and not good news for Satan.
The cause that I support is spiritual salvation that can survive not only death of the body, but of all earthly nations.

You should not despise anybody, but if your "Israel" is not part of the old covenant or the new covenant, you should have the basic common sense to understand that it is not Biblical Israel.

 

[HeIsHere]

Thanks, but you give me undue credit.

I think I have already shared with you that my father's generation were refugees from former Palestine, although they were not Arab by ancestry.
I have always been confronted by the hostility that many Western Christians have towards Arabs, Palestinians in particular.
In light of my families understanding of the plight of the Palestinians, these people appear quite insane.
They present themselves as mental patients, and not as ministers of the gospel of peace.
Their willingness to believe lies has become the excuse for many who wish to confirm themselves in unbelief.
Unbelievers pat themselves on the back, because they have not taken up the fanaticism and ignorance of the Christian Zionist.

Well, all of us have our families and all of us are subjected to both our own faults and the faults of others.
We hope for the forgiveness and patience of Christ, and are called to practice grace to others.
Trying to be a "good church boy" by maintaining a plastic silence has not worked for me spiritually, and I would emphasize the need to find a voice.
I would suggest that we are as free as we need to be to hate evil powers, but we should never do so at the expense of loving others.
I can not pretend that I have always lived up to this aspiration.

I have not seen once where you have misrepresented another person's post, on the other hand some blatantly add in words to posts and even completely lie about what was stated.

 

[Beekeeper]

You are insisting that we all should despise Israel..... because they are not yet faithful, are not yet saved, have not yet entered into the New Covenant?

"Your Honor, I assisted that bank robber because I believed that he would later return the money".
"That's fine son, now I understand. Next Please!"

 

[Churchgoer]

Thanks, but you give me undue credit.

I think I have already shared with you that my father's generation were refugees from former Palestine, although they were not Arab by ancestry.
I have always been confronted by the hostility that many Western Christians have towards Arabs, Palestinians in particular.
In light of my families understanding of the plight of the Palestinians, these people appear quite insane.
They present themselves as mental patients, and not as ministers of the gospel of peace.
Their willingness to believe lies has become the excuse for many who wish to confirm themselves in unbelief.
Unbelievers pat themselves on the back, because they have not taken up the fanaticism and ignorance of the Christian Zionist.

Well, all of us have our families and all of us are subjected to both our own faults and the faults of others.
We hope for the forgiveness and patience of Christ, and are called to practice grace to others.
Trying to be a "good church boy" by maintaining a plastic silence has not worked for me spiritually, and I would emphasize the need to find a voice.
I would suggest that we are as free as we need to be to hate evil powers, but we should never do so at the expense of loving others.
I can not pretend that I have always lived up to this aspiration.

My church leaders strongly believe in fulfillment theology. I have encouraged them to preach Jesus the fulfillment.

Anyone rejects Jesus do not see the kingdom of God. Simple.

If anyone lives to see Jesus 2nd coming, they still need to accept Jesus as Lord to be saved. Simple.

 

[Churchgoer]

"Your Honor, I assisted that bank robber because I believed that he would later return the money".
"That's fine son, now I understand. Next Please!"

Exactly.

Now please also give huge credit to Judah. We need people like him, otherwise how will Jesus go on cross, how will Jesus come back to life....

Oh, if you don't want to be like Judah and the jew leaders and the shouting crowd, you are anti semantic!!

 

[cv5]

Heavenly Jerusalem under Jesus is real, and not good news for Satan.
The cause that I support is spiritual salvation that can survive not only death of the body, but of all earthly nations.

You should not despise anybody, but if your "Israel" is not part of the old covenant or the new covenant, you should have the basic common sense to understand that it is not Biblical Israel.

Prophecy is utterly conclusive:

The land and Kingdom will be restored to the Nation Israel in the millenium.

Like it or not. Believe it or not. It will happen.

 

[cv5]

Heavenly Jerusalem under Jesus is real, and not good news for Satan.
The cause that I support is spiritual salvation that can survive not only death of the body, but of all earthly nations.

You should not despise anybody, but if your "Israel" is not part of the old covenant or the new covenant, you should have the basic common sense to understand that it is not Biblical Israel.

Satan's countervailing plan, mediated thru the Satan-man the "antichrist", is to extinguish (by outright murder), every living Jew as a means to thwart the Second Coming.

You do realize that Israel MUST ask their Messiah their Goel to save them before the Second Coming can ever happen.....right?

Do you know that these verses exist?
Do you in any way understand the intended message provided to you? You do realize that YE refers to the corporate Nation Israel that has just rejected Him....right?

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Mat 23:39 - For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[GaryA]

The Word says to pray for the peace of Israel and to bless.

Please tell me the specific verse(s) you are thinking of - thanks.

(I want to make sure I know the specific verse(s) you are thinking of because I want to examine the full context...)

 

[GaryA]

Amen .. So very disingenuous to ignore the time stamps all over the NT.

Do you know what is actually worse?

- completely and totally ignoring the admonishment to "study deep" into scripture (in the original language of Greek) enough to discover that the actual meaning is "begin to [occur]"...

It is there. Go study it. Discover it. Believe it. Stop fighting the truth and embrace it instead.

(I care. And, I am trying to help [all of] you to understand it correctly/properly.)

And then they want us to believe the Letter WRITTENTo the Believers in ROME somehow is for 2000+ years into the future.

It is for both those at the time it was written as well as all who came after...

 

[Beekeeper]

Do you know that these verses exist?
Do you in any way understand the intended message provided to you? You do realize that YE refers to the corporate Nation Israel that has just rejected Him....right?

Nope, makes no sense at all.
People can say "blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord" from anywhere.

 

[OMC]

Please tell me the specific verse(s) you are thinking of - thanks.

(I want to make sure I know the specific verse(s) you are thinking of because I want to examine the full context...)

Scripture absolutely tells us to love, pray for, and seek the good of Israel, but we must quote the Word accurately and understand what it means in context. The verse you’re referring to is Psalm 122:6 — “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.” That command is real, and Christians obey it because Jerusalem is the city where God placed His name, the city of David, the city of the Messiah’s return. But Scripture never says “pray for the peace of Israel” as a slogan, nor does it teach blind political loyalty.