Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[cv5]

The time of the gentiles refers to when the gentiles were allowed to trod the city of Jerusalem.... time, times, and half a time; or 1260 days, or 42 months, or 3-1/2 years.

The destruction of the temple confirms the change from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant.

First, Titus did not personally fulfill Daniel’s abomination of desolation, nor is any other AD 70 figure shown doing so. Jesus describes a specific abomination standing “in the holy place” (Matt. 24:15), and Paul likewise describes the final “man of sin” exalting himself in the temple of God (2 Thess. 2:3–4). Titus destroyed the Temple; that is not the same thing as fulfilling the specific personal desecration foretold by Daniel, Jesus, and Paul.

Second, the 1,260 days belong to the final 3½-year period associated with that abomination, not simply to Gentile occupation of Jerusalem. Daniel 9:27 places the cessation of sacrifice and the abomination at the midpoint of the seventieth week. Daniel 12 connects the same crisis with “time, times, and half a time,” while Revelation gives the equivalent measures of 1,260 days, 42 months, and time, times, and half a time (Rev. 11:2–3; 12:6, 14; 13:5). Jesus then places the abomination immediately before the Great Tribulation and His visible return (Matt. 24:15–30). AD 70 did not culminate in the visible return of Christ.

Third, seventy continuous weeks cannot terminate in AD 70. The first sixty-nine weeks equal 483 prophetic years and reach Messiah. If the seventieth week followed continuously, it would end only seven years later—not roughly forty years later in AD 70. Therefore anyone insisting upon an uninterrupted seventy-week chronology cannot coherently relocate the final week, its midpoint abomination, or its 1,260-day second half to AD 70.

So AD 70 fails on all three counts: no identifiable fulfillment of the personal abomination of desolation, no matching 1,260-day terminal period, and no continuous seventy-week chronology that reaches AD 70.

 

[cv5]

You must have forgotten that Jesus told His Disciples that they would all become Judges judging over the 12 tribes of Israel during the earthly Millennial Kingdom period. We aren't all just given the role of a bride only.

I forgot? No, I did not forget.
In fact this reinforces my position.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I forgot? No, I did not forget.
In fact this reinforces my position.

How do you figure? As long as we are on the earth reigning with Christ, He is STILL considered the KING and LORD over all the earth while we are in it, just like Zechariah 14:9 says.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Why would the Apostles care? Jesus told them that they would all become Judges and judge over the 12 tribes of Israel during His Millennial Kingdom reign in Matthew 19:28 and Luke 22:29-30.

Why would the apostles care ? Because it was thier job to teach the church …… which apparently has fallen on some deaf ears here lol

arent you interested in what the chosen witnesses of Jesus Christ to the world ….taught the chrich of believers as they were all filled with the holt ghost and ordained to preach and teach these things ?

anyone can argue but when we actually study the subjects thoroughly it brings the thinking together and no one has to say “ you just don’t get it it’s the way I say “

Wecan then actually learn a lot we never heard before it’s pretty important to learn what the apostles taught about subjects …… they were giving revelation of the ot prophets in the ot .

There’s a reason they are always explaining them and quoting them according to Christianity

Here’s a simple example he promised israel

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, ( not this one that’s going to end in fire a new one ) saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Peter spends a half of chapter explaining more to the church ( what we’re actually supposed to believe )


“Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

note that Peter was an isralite chosen by Jesus

that’s gods promise to isreal it’s why John saw it too

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what the apostles taught regarding many of these subjects us paramount to Christian’s if they want to actually know what’s there . Knowing that and respecting it would cause folks to grow together and up on knowledge to reject it leaves only personal opinions

 

[Churchgoer]

How do you figure? As long as we are on the earth reigning with Christ, He is STILL considered the KING and LORD over all the earth while we are in it, just like Zechariah 14:9 says.

Yes, the 1st Adam was king of earth, high priest of human, lord of his wife. Until he failed.

The 2nd Adam, Jesus, he is the king, Lord, high priest, 3 in 1.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Why would the apostles care ? Because it was thier job to teach the church …… which apparently has fallen on some deaf ears here lol

arent you interested in what the chosen witnesses of Jesus Christ to the world ….taught the chrich of believers as they were all filled with the holt ghost and ordained to preach and teach these things ?

anyone can argue but when we actually study the subjects thoroughly it brings the thinking together and no one has to say “ you just don’t get it it’s the way I say “

Wecan then actually learn a lot we never heard before it’s pretty important to learn what the apostles taught about subjects …… they were giving revelation of the ot prophets in the ot .

There’s a reason they are always explaining them and quoting them according to Christianity

Here’s a simple example he promised israel

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, ( not this one that’s going to end in fire a new one ) saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Peter spends a half of chapter explaining more to the church ( what we’re actually supposed to believe )


“Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

note that Peter was an isralite chosen by Jesus

that’s gods promise to isreal it’s why John saw it too

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what the apostles taught regarding many of these subjects us paramount to Christian’s if they want to actually know what’s there . Knowing that and respecting it would cause folks to grow together and up on knowledge to reject it leaves only personal opinions

I think you missed the point of my post. The person I responded to obviously has a beef with Israel. The new heaven and earth don't happen until Revelation 21, AFTER Jesus' Millennial Kingdom reign on the current earth as described in Revelation 20. Jesus reigns for 1,000 years before Satan is thrown into the Lake of Fire and everyone else judged at the final Great White Throne Judgement and the new heaven/earth appear.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Do you remember what parts of the scroll you saw, was it a particular book, like Genesis or Isaiah? Or Psalms?

It was in the early 2000s so its hard to remember. But I went looking and I found this link that tells a little about it. https://biblicalstudies.info/inkandblood.htm

 

[Revelation1v8]

Yes, the 1st Adam was king of earth, high priest of human, lord of his wife. Until he failed.

The 2nd Adam, Jesus, he is the king, Lord, high priest, 3 in 1.

Jesus has always been King and Lord over all of creation because HE is the one who created it, just like John, chapter 1 tells us.

 

[HeIsHere]

no idea...just asking for a friend.

She really wants to know.

Some people say it got moved to Ethiopia but I find that hard to believe.

Ok, well she can ask AI seems like an easy solution.

 

[Bible_Locket]

But He cooperated with those who called Him the king:

Luke 19:37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

Of course. Jesus knew everything.He is God. The word made flesh.

 

[Komentaja]

The time of the gentiles refers to when the gentiles were allowed to trod the city of Jerusalem.... time, times, and half a time; or 1260 days, or 42 months, or 3-1/2 years.

The destruction of the temple confirms the change from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant.

But if you have noticed, the trampling did not stop at AD70. It has continued on for centuries. I cosign on the switch to the new covenant.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think you missed the point of my post. The person I responded to obviously has a beef with Israel. The new heaven and earth don't happen until Revelation 21, AFTER Jesus' Millennial Kingdom reign on the current earth as described in Revelation 20. Jesus reigns for 1,000 years before Satan is thrown into the Lake of Fire and everyone else judged at the final Great White Throne Judgement and the new heaven/earth appear.

Naw I just disagree with some of what you are saying is all. there is no earthly millenial kingdom Jesus is in heaven new Jerusalem….. when the heavens open up he’s going to return and destroy this earth …..and then fulfill his promise to israel and believers alike

Jesus is in heaven new Jerusalem…..Mount sion reigning already

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, ( some don’t want to acknowledge this new jersualem ) and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s where the faithful of israel are in sion with the lord and already the king of heaven and also earth which he’s going to utterly destroy fulfilling his word . they of faith understood because of faith what many still don’t that this earth is not thier promised land.


Like Abraham thier looking up beyond the innumerable stars listening to Gods promise not a pile of dust that’s slated for destruction and cursed which he never settled in .

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. ( this seems to be an unheard of mystery to many but god was always talking about it ) But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”( new Jerusalem )
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christian’s and Jews who convert to Christianity are also strangers and pilgrims on this dying and soon ending world . God has far better which is his promise tonisrsel and all who believe in Jesus Christ sincerely

When you’re seeing revelation 21 it’s a vision showing that heavenly city prepared by god already filled with the “ spirits of just men made holy “ along with Christ it’s Jesus and the saints shown in chapter 14 standing in sion ….not on earth but in heavens new Jerusalem .

“mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,”to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,”

“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads….. and they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: ( see chapter 4) and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. …These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

These israelites (see chapter 7:4) have already been redeemed from earth they are in heaven with Christ reigning. If you look carefully throughout the book you can hear them and see them sometimes in different visions calling out from heaven or praising and singing in heaven pronouncing judgements from heaven ect ect .


But I think I’m probably making the fap worse lol it seems like we aren’t going to agree so I’ll let you have the last word God bless . I hope you aren’t offended I’m not in any way hopefully we’re just discussing our views

 

[cv5]

But if you have noticed, the trampling did not stop at AD70. It has continued on for centuries. I cosign on the switch to the new covenant.

@HeIsHere has been so thorough debunked at every juncture that you would think that mea culpas would be forthcoming.

But as you know, there is nothing but....crickets.

 

[cv5]

Of course. Jesus knew everything.He is God. The word made flesh.

Post in thread 'Replacement theology? Yes or No.'

Sep 4, 2026

Jesus himself never self identified as King of the Jews.

I see that once again your appalling biblical illiteracy has led to you calling Jesus King of the Jews a liar.
For you this is of course quite typical, as coddling bogus dogma will inevitably produce this result.

Did Christ Jesus write His own Bible? Yes.
Has Jesus identified Himself as King of the Jews? Yes.

Mat 2:2
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him...

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At this point your veracity is ruined beyond repair.

Mat 2:2
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Mat 21:5
“Tell the daughter of Zion,
‘Behold, your King is coming to you,
Lowly, and sitting on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey.' ”

Isa 43:15
I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Isa 41:21
Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob

Zep 3:15
The LORD has taken away your judgments,
He has cast out your enemy.
The King of Israel, the LORD, is in your midst;
You shall see disaster no more.

 

[Churchgoer]

It's not about supporting a "secular nation", it's about supporting God's holy land that belongs to Him and that He will reign from during the Millennial Kingdom period where God/Jesus returns and sets straight upon His return.

Scripture reference please.

 

[Churchgoer]

About holy land, wherever God is, that is where Holy land is at.

Remember God said to Moses, take off your shoe....
Also Jesus said to Samaritan woman, worship God neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem......in spirit and truth....

 

[Revelation1v8]

Scripture reference please.

Here is a list for you:

Here are the key passages where God declares the land of Israel to be holy:

Direct "holy land" / "holy ground" declarations:

• Exodus 3:5 – At Mount Horeb, God tells Moses: "Take your sandals off your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground." This is the first time holiness is applied to a physical place in the Torah.
• Joshua 5:15 – At Gilgal, the commander of the Lord's army tells Joshua to remove his sandals, saying: "This place is holy."
• Psalm 78:54 – "He brought them to the border of his holy land, to the mountain he had acquired with his right hand."
• Zechariah 2:12 – "The LORD will possess Judah as his portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem."
• Ezekiel 38:8, 12, 16, 18, 21, 22, 25 – God repeatedly refers to Israel as "my holy land" in His prophecy against Gog and Magog.
• Isaiah 14:4 – "Against the holy land, the land of the whole world."
• Zechariah 14:2 – "The LORD will fight against those nations... and on that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives... and the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him."

God declares the land His own and sets it apart:

• Leviticus 20:22–24 – "Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out... I am the LORD your God, who has set you apart from the nations."
• Leviticus 25:23 – "The land is mine; you are merely strangers and sojourners with me."
• Exodus 19:5–6 – "You shall be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation."
• Deuteronomy 7:6 – "The LORD your God has chosen you to be his people, his treasured possession, out of all the peoples on the face of the earth."

 

[Churchgoer]

Here is a list for you:

Here are the key passages where God declares the land of Israel to be holy:

Direct "holy land" / "holy ground" declarations:

• Exodus 3:5 – At Mount Horeb, God tells Moses: "Take your sandals off your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground." This is the first time holiness is applied to a physical place in the Torah.
• Joshua 5:15 – At Gilgal, the commander of the Lord's army tells Joshua to remove his sandals, saying: "This place is holy."
• Psalm 78:54 – "He brought them to the border of his holy land, to the mountain he had acquired with his right hand."
• Zechariah 2:12 – "The LORD will possess Judah as his portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem."
• Ezekiel 38:8, 12, 16, 18, 21, 22, 25 – God repeatedly refers to Israel as "my holy land" in His prophecy against Gog and Magog.
• Isaiah 14:4 – "Against the holy land, the land of the whole world."
• Zechariah 14:2 – "The LORD will fight against those nations... and on that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives... and the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him."

God declares the land His own and sets it apart:

• Leviticus 20:22–24 – "Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out... I am the LORD your God, who has set you apart from the nations."
• Leviticus 25:23 – "The land is mine; you are merely strangers and sojourners with me."
• Exodus 19:5–6 – "You shall be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation."
• Deuteronomy 7:6 – "The LORD your God has chosen you to be his people, his treasured possession, out of all the peoples on the face of the earth."

Agree, wherever God is reigning, that is the Holyland.
Whoever accepting Jesus Lordship and salvation, they are his holy people!

 

[Revelation1v8]

Agree, wherever God is reigning, that is the Holyland.
Whoever accepting Jesus Lordship and salvation, they are his holy people!

To an extent, yes, but throughout the Bible, God/Jesus has always preserved a remnant of the Hebrews/Israelites to show that He keeps his promises to them. They have always been the ones God has used to bring us the scriptures, bring us the birth of Jesus, and used to set the "example" of what or what not to do and what happens when we disobey. The Bible tells us even to look to Israel for the signs of His return.

 

[Churchgoer]

To an extent, yes, but throughout the Bible, God/Jesus has always preserved a remnant of the Hebrews/Israelites to show that He keeps his promises to them.

Agree, those that have faith in YHVH. Not every kid, only the faithful ones.

They have always been the ones God has used to bring us the scriptures, bring us the birth of Jesus, and used to set the "example" of what or what not to do and what happens when we disobey.

Agree.

The Bible tells us even to look to Israel for the signs of His return.

Scripture reference please?
Again, how would this have to do with supporting secular nation?