Who is the restrainer?

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and this thread is about the identity of the restrainer, not the temple.
Yet every thread must ultimately consist of the actual truth and not fanciful fantasies, myths, error and wish casting.

And yes I appreciate your commendation that we all know will eventually be forthcoming (hope springs eternal) for the video that was provided by which this persistent myth of the Temple Mount being co-located at Al-Ḥaram al-Šarīf (actually the Antonia Fortress 35 acres platform) has been once and for all debunked.

Oh what wonderful things we learn on this board. But oh so infrequently.
 
Yet every thread must ultimately consist of the actual truth and not fanciful fantasies, myths, error and wish casting.

And yes I appreciate your commendation that we all know will eventually be forthcoming (hope springs eternal) for the video that was provided by which this persistent myth of the Temple Mount being co-located at Al-Ḥaram al-Šarīf (actually the Antonia Fortress 35 acres platform) has been once and for all debunked.

Oh what wonderful things we learn on this board. But oh so infrequently.
The only fanciful fantasy is the political thriller in the framework of the seven year tribulation. The church is there, Rev. 7:14, 12:17.
 
I will create a new thread sometime this weekend.

As promised...


Also, I just published my Daniel 11 verse-by-verse interpretation...


I tried making a separate thread on that, but it was not approved.

Anyhow, the PDF shows conclusively what the Abomination of Desolation was and when it occurred.
 
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. (2 Thess. 2:3-8)

The absolutely definitive signs of the (great) tribulation is the revealing of the Antichrist through the act of great apostasy, and the hard condition for that is the removal of the "restrainer", and that raises the question - who or what is the "restrainer"?

So far there're three most plausible answers - 1. the Holy Spirit, which has been suppressing the Antichrist's spirit, even though it's been at work since the days of apostle Paul. When the time comes, the Holy Spirit will be gone, Antichrist freed; 2. Civil power, specifically, national governments. Whne the Antichrist rises, national sovereignty will be surrendered to a global government, which will rule over the entire world; 3. the church and all church organizations, no good church left, all will be incorporated into the false religion of Mystery Babylon.

I think the answer is heavily affected by each one's eschatalogical view. If you're pre-trib, it'll likely to be 1 or 3; if you're post-trib like me, though, it'll likely to be 2. It all depends on how you identify of the "saints" in Revelation. If they're "new converts" - even though the whole world is deceived by the Antichrist, the original church is gone, then it might be 3, I personally side with 2, as I identify them as the remnant church, the great multitude specifically identified as the followers of Christ coming "out of the great tribulation" (Rev. 7:14). However, in most translations, the "he" and the "restrainer" are both capped, indicating the Holy Spirit, which doesn't really make sense, considering the prophecy, "it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, that I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh," (Acts 2:17).
Paul tells identifies the restrainer for us. But to understand what he means we need to understand what is being restrained. The short answer is the Holy Spirit. In the passage, Paul sets up a contrast that we sometimes miss.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-14

that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, ;and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. It was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you see the contrast Paul has set up? In the first instance, we see a group of people who are being led by Satan because they did not receive a love for the truth. In the second instance, we see a group of people who were sanctified by the Spirit and faith in the truth. Paul credits the Holy Spirit for the existence of the second group. They exist because the Holy Spirit has sanctified them.

We might describe 2 Thessalonians 2:9–13 as portraying a kind of Kairos moment, though in a darker, inverse sense. Paul seems to envision a divinely permitted season when deception reaches its full expression. The “man of lawlessness” doesn’t simply appear at random; his arrival coincides with a moral and spiritual climate that makes his influence possible.

Paul’s language about God sending a “delusion” to those who refused to love the truth suggests that this moment is not accidental but timed—a period when human rebellion and divine judgment intersect. In that sense, it’s a Kairos of exposure: the world’s rejection of truth ripens to the point where falsehood can fully manifest. The restraint is lifted, the deception is unveiled, and the contrast between truth and lie becomes unmistakable.

Paul never explicitly names “the restrainer” in 2 Thessalonians 2, which is why interpreters have proposed everything from angelic beings to governmental authority. But I propose that the restrainer is the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit expressed through the presence of the saints.

Paul describes a moment when deception becomes possible only because God sends a delusion upon those who “did not welcome the love of the truth.” That means the satanic influence does not appear in a vacuum; it appears in a prepared moral and spiritual environment. In other words, the “man of lawlessness” requires a kairos of unbelief—a season in which truth has been rejected and the Spirit’s restraining influence is withdrawn.

If the Spirit’s sanctifying work is what produces faith, love of the truth, and moral clarity in the saints, then the removal of that influence would indeed create the conditions for deception to flourish. The saints themselves—indwelt, sanctified, and truth‑loving—function as a living barrier to the rise of lawlessness. Remove the Spirit’s influence and remove the community shaped by that influence, and the world becomes spiritually unprotected. In that sense, the restrainer is not a single figure but the Spirit‑formed presence of the church, and the “removal” is the withdrawal of that sanctifying work.

 
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The Two Witnesses already completed their mission long ago. They prophesied for 1260 years from Moses to John the Baptist:

Luke 16:16 - The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The Day/Year Principle everyone uses for Daniel's seventy weeks also applies to the 1260, 1290, 1335 and 2300 days.
The Two Witnesses are killed by the Antichrist.

Are you saying the Antichrist already arrived and killed them and we've been in a 2,500+ years Millennial period (1,000 year period)?
 
The Two Witnesses are killed by the Antichrist.

Are you saying the Antichrist already arrived and killed them and we've been in a 2,500+ years Millennial period (1,000 year period)?

Hi @lrs68 . Let's look at the relevant verse:

Revelation 11:7 -And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

From what I understand of Scripture, the Beast doesn't just ascend out of the bottomless pit only once, the Beast has been doing this over and over for a very long time.

At bare minimum, each head of the Beast is symbolic of one of these ascensions. The head that was around during the times of Jesus was the sixth head. I believe Revelation 11:7 is referring to that one.

Of course, Revelation teaches us that one of the seven heads receives a deadly wound that is healed. In my opinion, this 'eighth of the seven' is the final Antichrist.
 
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Paul tells identifies the restrainer for us. But to understand what he means we need to understand what is being restrained. The short answer is the Holy Spirit. In the passage, Paul sets up a contrast that we sometimes miss.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-14



Do you see the contrast Paul has set up? In the first instance, we see a group of people who are being led by Satan because they did not receive a love for the truth. In the second instance, we see a group of people who were sanctified by the Spirit and faith in the truth. Paul credits the Holy Spirit for the existence of the second group. They exist because the Holy Spirit has sanctified them.

We might describe 2 Thessalonians 2:9–13 as portraying a kind of Kairos moment, though in a darker, inverse sense. Paul seems to envision a divinely permitted season when deception reaches its full expression. The “man of lawlessness” doesn’t simply appear at random; his arrival coincides with a moral and spiritual climate that makes his influence possible.

Paul’s language about God sending a “delusion” to those who refused to love the truth suggests that this moment is not accidental but timed—a period when human rebellion and divine judgment intersect. In that sense, it’s a Kairos of exposure: the world’s rejection of truth ripens to the point where falsehood can fully manifest. The restraint is lifted, the deception is unveiled, and the contrast between truth and lie becomes unmistakable.

Paul never explicitly names “the restrainer” in 2 Thessalonians 2, which is why interpreters have proposed everything from angelic beings to governmental authority. But I propose that the restrainer is the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit expressed through the presence of the saints.

Paul describes a moment when deception becomes possible only because God sends a delusion upon those who “did not welcome the love of the truth.” That means the satanic influence does not appear in a vacuum; it appears in a prepared moral and spiritual environment. In other words, the “man of lawlessness” requires a kairos of unbelief—a season in which truth has been rejected and the Spirit’s restraining influence is withdrawn.

If the Spirit’s sanctifying work is what produces faith, love of the truth, and moral clarity in the saints, then the removal of that influence would indeed create the conditions for deception to flourish. The saints themselves—indwelt, sanctified, and truth‑loving—function as a living barrier to the rise of lawlessness. Remove the Spirit’s influence and remove the community shaped by that influence, and the world becomes spiritually unprotected. In that sense, the restrainer is not a single figure but the Spirit‑formed presence of the church, and the “removal” is the withdrawal of that sanctifying work.

Then how is that reconciled with the "Latter Rain" prophecy? That "I'll pour out my Spirit on all flesh"?
 
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Then how is that reconciled with the "Latter Rain" prophecy? That "I'll pour out my Spirit on all flesh"?
The "flesh" in that prophecy is the Jewish people. They are the 144K who will be sealed and protected as specified in Revelation chapter 7.
 
The "flesh" in that prophecy is the Jewish people. They are the 144K who will be sealed and protected as specified in Revelation chapter 7.
Then how is the Holy Spirit removed? How can any person born again in spirit be unborn?
 
This is a tough one alright. Let's look at the verse again:

2 Thessalonians 2:7 - For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

As we can see, the Restrainer has something to do with the Mystery of Iniquity. If we can figure out what the Mystery of Iniquity is, we will solve a big part of this puzzle.

Let's look at its juxtaposition:

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Mystery of Godliness:
  1. God manifest in the flesh
  2. Believed on by the redeemed
  3. Received up into glory
Now its juxtaposition...

Mystery of Iniquity:
  1. Satan manifest in the flesh
  2. Believed on by the unredeemed
  3. Received into perdition
Do we have a matching verse? Yes:

Revelation 17:8 - The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Mystery of Iniquity:
  1. The Beast ascends out of the bottomless pit
  2. The Beast is believed on by those not written in the Book of Life
  3. The Beast goes back into perdition
It's as easy as 1, 2, 3.

Thus, the Restrainer has something to do with Satan manifesting in the flesh, i.e., coming out of the bottomless pit. That has to happen first. Then Satan is worshipped. Then Satan goes back into perdition once again.

This is confirmed here:

2 Thessalonians 2:8 - And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Again:
  1. Satan born into flesh out of the bottomless pit
  2. Satan is worshipped
  3. Satan is destroyed and goes back into perdition
The Restrainer has to do with that process. The Restrainer is the one who either lets Satan out of the bottomless pit or is restraining him there. Does the Restrainer destroy as well?

How is the Man of Sin loosed? Look for the 'Key':

Matthew 16:19 - And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The Key is the Key to 'binding and loosening'.

Loosening:

Revelation 9:1 - And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Binding:

Revelation 20:1-3 - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the King of the Bottomless Pit is the most likely suspect for being the Restrainer:

Revelation 9:11 - And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Simple exegesis teaches us that Apollyon/Abaddon is not Satan, nor is he a 'bad guy'. Apollyon/Abaddon works for God by keeping things in the pit where they belong. Apollyon/Abaddon also destroys.
 
The spirit has been with us since creation. and now you want to say-yep-let's remove God from the picture
When it says that the Spirit is "removed", he isn't suggesting that the Spirit will be absent. Paul is talking about the Holy Spirit's role as "The Spirit of Truth." In his role, the Holy Spirit speaks for Christ and helps the Apostles convict the world of Sin, righteousness, and judgment. John 16:7-11 This has a restraining force on the hearts of people and guides everyone in the light of Christ's teaching. We all live under the light of Christ's teaching, whether we are followers of Christ or not. As John said, Jesus is the light of the world.

But at a point in recent history, some would call it the postmodern era, truth is redefined as whatever we agree on by consensus. Modern philosophers don't even know if an objective truth actually exists. If we all agree that a man can have a baby then a man can have a baby. If we decide that a boy can play in women's sports, then they will be allowed. Whatever we all decide as a culture and society is "true".

We are living that delusion right now and since the world is not convinced that an objective truth is possible, then it is harder for the Holy Spirit to convict everyone of sin, righteousness and judgment. In my view, the man of lawlessness is right at the door. Satan has cleared his path.
 
This is a tough one alright. Let's look at the verse again:

2 Thessalonians 2:7 - For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

As we can see, the Restrainer has something to do with the Mystery of Iniquity. If we can figure out what the Mystery of Iniquity is, we will solve a big part of this puzzle.

Let's look at its juxtaposition:

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Mystery of Godliness:
  1. God manifest in the flesh
  2. Believed on by the redeemed
  3. Received up into glory
Now its juxtaposition...

Mystery of Iniquity:
  1. Satan manifest in the flesh
  2. Believed on by the unredeemed
  3. Received into perdition
Do we have a matching verse? Yes:

Revelation 17:8 - The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Mystery of Iniquity:
  1. The Beast ascends out of the bottomless pit
  2. The Beast is believed on by those not written in the Book of Life
  3. The Beast goes back into perdition
It's as easy as 1, 2, 3.

Thus, the Restrainer has something to do with Satan manifesting in the flesh, i.e., coming out of the bottomless pit. That has to happen first. Then Satan is worshipped. Then Satan goes back into perdition once again.

This is confirmed here:

2 Thessalonians 2:8 - And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Again:
  1. Satan born into flesh out of the bottomless pit
  2. Satan is worshipped
  3. Satan is destroyed and goes back into perdition
The Restrainer has to do with that process. The Restrainer is the one who either lets Satan out of the bottomless pit or is restraining him there. Does the Restrainer destroy as well?

How is the Man of Sin loosed? Look for the 'Key':

Matthew 16:19 - And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The Key is the Key to 'binding and loosening'.

Loosening:

Revelation 9:1 - And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Binding:

Revelation 20:1-3 - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the King of the Bottomless Pit is the most likely suspect for being the Restrainer:

Revelation 9:11 - And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Simple exegesis teaches us that Apollyon/Abaddon is not Satan, nor is he a 'bad guy'. Apollyon/Abaddon works for God by keeping things in the pit where they belong. Apollyon/Abaddon also destroys.
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None of this makes an ounce of sense.

It is a man that wants to be worshipped--the antichrist

Rev 12: 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
 
I just don't identify the restrainer as the Holy Spirit at all.
Paul’s words in 2 Thessalonians 2:13 give the counter‑balance to everything he warns about in the rise of the man of lawlessness. He tells his readers that they have been sanctified by the Spirit and by belief in the truth—and that combination is precisely what restrains the mystery of lawlessness. While the world drifts into delusion by rejecting the very category of objective truth, the church stands as a community shaped by the Spirit of Truth and anchored in the truth of the gospel. Their sanctification is not merely moral improvement; it is the Spirit’s active work of forming a people who love the truth, recognize the truth, and refuse the lie. As long as such people exist—people whose hearts are illuminated by the Spirit and whose minds are governed by the truth—the man of lawlessness cannot fully emerge. The Spirit’s sanctifying work in the church is the living, breathing restraint that holds back the flood of deception. In Paul’s view, Spirit‑formed, truth‑loving believers are the last barrier against the lawlessness that seeks to take over the world.

Paul’s point about the Spirit being “removed” does not mean the Holy Spirit becomes absent from the world. Rather, Paul is referring specifically to the Spirit’s role as the Spirit of Truth—the One who speaks for Christ and empowers the apostles to convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:7–11). In this role, the Spirit exerts a restraining influence on human hearts, illuminating Christ’s teaching and pressing the reality of God’s truth upon all people. Whether someone follows Christ or not, they still live under the moral light that Christ brought into the world; as John says, Jesus is the Light of the world.

But in recent cultural history—often described as the postmodern era—truth has been redefined as something created by consensus rather than discovered as objective reality. Many modern thinkers even question whether objective truth exists at all. When truth becomes whatever society agrees upon, moral and biological claims are treated as flexible, negotiable, and socially constructed. In such an environment, the Spirit’s ministry of convicting the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment becomes increasingly resisted, not because the Spirit is absent, but because the world has embraced a framework that denies the very possibility of objective truth.

This cultural shift creates the conditions Paul describes—a kind of delusion in which people no longer recognize truth when it confronts them. And when a society rejects the category of truth itself, it becomes far more difficult for the Spirit’s restraining ministry to be received. In that sense, the path for the man of lawlessness is cleared, not by the Spirit’s absence, but by the world’s refusal to hear the Spirit’s testimony.
 
Paul’s words in 2 Thessalonians 2:13 give the counter‑balance to everything he warns about in the rise of the man of lawlessness. He tells his readers that they have been sanctified by the Spirit and by belief in the truth—and that combination is precisely what restrains the mystery of lawlessness. While the world drifts into delusion by rejecting the very category of objective truth, the church stands as a community shaped by the Spirit of Truth and anchored in the truth of the gospel. Their sanctification is not merely moral improvement; it is the Spirit’s active work of forming a people who love the truth, recognize the truth, and refuse the lie. As long as such people exist—people whose hearts are illuminated by the Spirit and whose minds are governed by the truth—the man of lawlessness cannot fully emerge. The Spirit’s sanctifying work in the church is the living, breathing restraint that holds back the flood of deception. In Paul’s view, Spirit‑formed, truth‑loving believers are the last barrier against the lawlessness that seeks to take over the world.
My friend, Paul isn’t saying the church’s sanctification is the restrainer—he’s offering comfort to believers after describing the restrainer, not redefining it.
In 2 Thessalonians 2:6–7, Paul explains the restrainer is something the Thessalonians already knew, powerful enough to hold back Satan’s unveiling, that will be “taken out of the way,” and whose removal sparks the revelation of the man of lawlessness.
This can’t be the church, because Scripture never describes the church as restraining Satan, being “taken out of the way,” or preventing end-times deception.
By verse 13, Paul shifts from eschatology to encouragement, telling them they are “chosen,” “sanctified,” and “believing the truth”—not because they restrain lawlessness, but because God will preserve them through the coming deception.
The restrainer is God’s sovereign timing, not the church’s moral condition, and the church’s sanctification ensures they won’t be swept away by the delusion, rather than acting as the force preventing the man of lawlessness from appearing.
 
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Paul’s words in 2 Thessalonians 2:13 give the counter‑balance to everything he warns about in the rise of the man of lawlessness. He tells his readers that they have been sanctified by the Spirit and by belief in the truth—and that combination is precisely what restrains the mystery of lawlessness. While the world drifts into delusion by rejecting the very category of objective truth, the church stands as a community shaped by the Spirit of Truth and anchored in the truth of the gospel. Their sanctification is not merely moral improvement; it is the Spirit’s active work of forming a people who love the truth, recognize the truth, and refuse the lie. As long as such people exist—people whose hearts are illuminated by the Spirit and whose minds are governed by the truth—the man of lawlessness cannot fully emerge. The Spirit’s sanctifying work in the church is the living, breathing restraint that holds back the flood of deception. In Paul’s view, Spirit‑formed, truth‑loving believers are the last barrier against the lawlessness that seeks to take over the world.

Paul’s point about the Spirit being “removed” does not mean the Holy Spirit becomes absent from the world. Rather, Paul is referring specifically to the Spirit’s role as the Spirit of Truth—the One who speaks for Christ and empowers the apostles to convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:7–11). In this role, the Spirit exerts a restraining influence on human hearts, illuminating Christ’s teaching and pressing the reality of God’s truth upon all people. Whether someone follows Christ or not, they still live under the moral light that Christ brought into the world; as John says, Jesus is the Light of the world.

But in recent cultural history—often described as the postmodern era—truth has been redefined as something created by consensus rather than discovered as objective reality. Many modern thinkers even question whether objective truth exists at all. When truth becomes whatever society agrees upon, moral and biological claims are treated as flexible, negotiable, and socially constructed. In such an environment, the Spirit’s ministry of convicting the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment becomes increasingly resisted, not because the Spirit is absent, but because the world has embraced a framework that denies the very possibility of objective truth.

This cultural shift creates the conditions Paul describes—a kind of delusion in which people no longer recognize truth when it confronts them. And when a society rejects the category of truth itself, it becomes far more difficult for the Spirit’s restraining ministry to be received. In that sense, the path for the man of lawlessness is cleared, not by the Spirit’s absence, but by the world’s refusal to hear the Spirit’s testimony.
The removal of the Spirit and the endtime outpouring of the Spirit can't coexist, no matter how you look at it. As long as the remnant saints, the Great Multitple and the preserved Israelites are sealed with the spirit, it's not "taken out of the way". Why would the Antichrist make war with the saints - with indwelling Holy Spirit - if the Holy Spirit is already taken out of his way?
 
The removal of the Spirit and the endtime outpouring of the Spirit can't coexist, no matter how you look at it. As long as the remnant saints, the Great Multitple and the preserved Israelites are sealed with the spirit, it's not "taken out of the way". Why would the Antichrist make war with the saints - with indwelling Holy Spirit - if the Holy Spirit is already taken out of his way?
Have you heard about the times of the Gentiles?