Free will, what does it mean?

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That idea isn’t supported by Scripture, because Paul never says he kept nine commandments successfully or that the Tenth Commandment uniquely defines a person; instead, Romans 7 shows that coveting exposed the inward sin already present under every commandment, revealing the universal truth that the law requires inward righteousness, not merely outward obedience.
I thought I said that. My conclusion that the Tenth Commandment uniquely defines a person is based on the commandment's logic.
The Tenth Commandment stands apart because it reaches beneath behavior and speaks directly to the inner life. While the other commandments regulate outward actions—how we speak, worship, treat others, and handle what belongs to them—the prohibition against coveting exposes the structure of desire itself. Coveting is invisible, unmeasurable, and impossible to enforce externally; it reveals what a person truly wants, values, and imagines when no one is watching. In that sense, the Tenth Commandment uniquely defines a person because it identifies the source from which so many other sins arise. It diagnoses the heart, showing whether someone is shaped by gratitude and trust or by envy and dissatisfaction. By addressing desire rather than behavior, the commandment reveals the inner moral world that shapes everything else.

As you suggested, the contrast is between what we are outwardly, and who we are inwardly.
 
I thought I said that. My conclusion that the Tenth Commandment uniquely defines a person is based on the commandment's logic.
The Tenth Commandment stands apart because it reaches beneath behavior and speaks directly to the inner life. While the other commandments regulate outward actions—how we speak, worship, treat others, and handle what belongs to them—the prohibition against coveting exposes the structure of desire itself. Coveting is invisible, unmeasurable, and impossible to enforce externally; it reveals what a person truly wants, values, and imagines when no one is watching. In that sense, the Tenth Commandment uniquely defines a person because it identifies the source from which so many other sins arise. It diagnoses the heart, showing whether someone is shaped by gratitude and trust or by envy and dissatisfaction. By addressing desire rather than behavior, the commandment reveals the inner moral world that shapes everything else.

As you suggested, the contrast is between what we are outwardly, and who we are inwardly.
Well thats my issue, I don’t think the Tenth Commandment uniquely defines a person, its logic does not isolate it from the rest of the law since every commandment already reaches inward desire—anger is murder, lust is adultery—so coveting is simply one more exposure of the heart rather than a solitary revelation of identity. it's just another way the whole law reveals inner sin, not just outward actions.
 
Paul never says in Romans 7 that he lacked the freedom to want what is good; in fact, he explicitly affirms the opposite — “to will is present with me.” What he describes is the universal human condition before the indwelling Spirit: the will is free to desire God’s law, but the flesh is not free to consistently carry out that desire.

I prefer to say the unrepentant/unindwelt soul is not willing to cooperate with God's leading.

Romans 7 seems to describe repentant souls who cooperated with God's requirement for salvation (GRFS, believing Jesus is Messiah and Lord in the human dimension) and are indwelt by the Holy Spirit but still experience temptation to sin.

Right?
 
I prefer to say the unrepentant/unindwelt soul is not willing to cooperate with God's leading.

Romans 7 seems to describe repentant souls who cooperated with God's requirement for salvation (GRFS, believing Jesus is Messiah and Lord in the human dimension) and are indwelt by the Holy Spirit but still experience temptation to sin.

Right?
The unrepentant and Spirit‑absent soul isn’t incapable but simply unwilling to follow God’s guidance, while Romans 7 portrays the repentant, Spirit‑filled believer who has accepted God’s gift of salvation yet still experiences the inner tug of temptation.
 
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Well thats my issue, I don’t think the Tenth Commandment uniquely defines a person, its logic does not isolate it from the rest of the law since every commandment already reaches inward desire—anger is murder, lust is adultery—so coveting is simply one more exposure of the heart rather than a solitary revelation of identity. it's just another way the whole law reveals inner sin, not just outward actions.
Okay, let's talk about what Jesus said about adultery. He says that if a man looks with lust after a woman, he has already committed adultery in his heart.

Ask an intelligent, smart Jewish person today about that, and he will say, "That isn't true." Jesus is wrong. Adultery is what a man DOES with a woman. Just thinking about adultery isn't adultery.

But is that what Jesus meant? Did he mean that thinking about adultery is the same thing as adultery? No. His point was not to say that thinking and doing are morally equivalent. His point is that desire defines us in a way that behavior doesn't. Even the Law distinguishes between action and intent. If two men are chopping down trees and the ax head of one man flies off the handle and kills the other man. Did he kill the man? Yes. Did he intend to kill him? No. His death was an accident. He didn't wish ill will on his neighbor. He didn't want him to die. He had no motive to kill him. I agree with you that every commandment reaches inward, but the WHY behind an action matters.

But the Tenth Commandment is, at one and the same time, a moral issue and a spiritual issue. The Tenth Commandment defines morality, yes, but it tests our inwardness and for those who are honest, it is impossible to obey. My desires are my desires, and if I say that I never have those desires, I am lying to myself. Paul thought he was alive until he discovered that he couldn't stop having those desires. None of us can stop. We are evil. Period. Thanks be to God that when we see him, we will be like he is.
 
But is that what Jesus meant? Did he mean that thinking about adultery is the same thing as adultery? No. His point was not to say that thinking and doing are morally equivalent. His point is that desire defines us in a way that behavior doesn't. Even the Law distinguishes between action and intent. If two men are chopping down trees and the ax head of one man flies off the handle and kills the other man. Did he kill the man? Yes. Did he intend to kill him? No. His death was an accident. He didn't wish ill will on his neighbor. He didn't want him to die. He had no motive to kill him. I agree with you that every commandment reaches inward, but the WHY behind an action matters.
I agree with your point: Jesus deepens the meaning of the Law by tracing sin back to its inner roots, without removing the distinction between thought and action, and the reason behind an act remains key to biblical moral judgment.
But the Tenth Commandment is, at one and the same time, a moral issue and a spiritual issue. The Tenth Commandment defines morality, yes, but it tests our inwardness and for those who are honest, it is impossible to obey. My desires are my desires, and if I say that I never have those desires, I am lying to myself. Paul thought he was alive until he discovered that he couldn't stop having those desires. None of us can stop. We are evil. Period. Thanks be to God that when we see him, we will be like he is.
The Tenth Commandment stands out because it doesn’t just address actions—it gets to the heart of who we are.
It doesn’t say, “Don’t take your neighbor’s wife,” but “Don’t want her.”
It doesn’t say, “Don’t steal,” but “Don’t desire what isn’t yours.”
That’s why Paul said he “was alive without the law once,” but when the commandment—specifically about coveting—came, “sin revived, and I died.”
He realized he could control his actions, but not his desires. And honestly, none of us can.
The commandment shows that the real problem is inside us. We don’t just sometimes covet—we covet because we’re sinners.
I reject the idea that we can fix our desires by willpower alone, because the Tenth Commandment shows the opposite: the heart is the real battlefield, and without transformation, it wins every time.
Our final hope: when we see Him, we shall be like Him, and only then will the desires that define us now be replaced by the purity that defines Him and boy I can't wait.
 
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I think if you look again, you will find that Paul didn't say he was free to want to please God. He says that he joyfully concurs with law in his mind. Freedom of the Will is what we do with that will. Are we able to act or not? That is the question.
You have an unbiblical definition of the will. You can make the Bible teach whatever suits you, if you take the liberty to redefine the Bible’s vocabulary
In Romans 7, Paul is plumbing the depths of sin to suggest that even though we submit our members to the service of righteousness, at the core of our being we are sin.

He was able to perform each of the Ten Commandments except one. And in retrospect, it seems as if this was what God intended. The tenth commandment was different from the others in this significant respect. The first nine commandments dictated what must be done or not done. They defined behaviors. The Tenth Commandment defined a person. The first nine answered, "What must I do or avoid?" The Tenth Commandment answered the question, "Who must I be?"
I really don’t see anything in Romans 7 by which to conclude that Paul "was able to perform each of the Ten Commandments except one.”
What do I mean? One of the commandments forbade a man from sleeping with his neighbor's wife. The Tenth Commandment demanded that the man be the kind of person who would never want to sleep with her. It was written, Do not steal," but the Tenth Commandment required that we be the kind of people who would never think of wanting another person's stuff.

Paul realized that he couldn't be THAT person. When he finally understood the truth concerning the Tenth Commandment, he realized that he was coveting all the time. He wasn't the kind of person who, from the depths of his being, couldn't stop coveting, couldn't make himself into the kind of man who was naturally good. He found that he was naturally evil.
I see nothing to suggest that "we are required to be the kind of people who would never think of wanting another person's stuff.” "Thinking of wanting another person’s stuff”, or thinking of any other sin, does not seem to me to be the same as "wanting another person’s stuff,” or wanting that sin.
 
You have an unbiblical definition of the will. You can make the Bible teach whatever suits you, if you take the liberty to redefine the Bible’s vocabulary

I really don’t see anything in Romans 7 by which to conclude that Paul "was able to perform each of the Ten Commandments except one.”
We learn from his writings that he was a Hebrew of Hebrews and a Pharisee of Pharisees. In other words, he boasted that he had a zeal for the law and he was blameless before the law. Here in Romans 7, he says that he had coveting of every kind.
I see nothing to suggest that "we are required to be the kind of people who would never think of wanting another person's stuff.” "Thinking of wanting another person’s stuff”, or thinking of any other sin, does not seem to me to be the same as "wanting another person’s stuff,” or wanting that sin.
Certainly this is what it means not to covet.
 
You have an unbiblical definition of the will.
Well, Let's start here. I speak English and live in the 21st Century. I am communicating something about "FREE WILL" in my own language and my own time period. And I didn't quote a Bible passage. So why would you expect me to have a Biblical definition of the will?

If you want to discuss a Bible passage, then quote one and let's examine what the Biblical author means by his word,
 
Well, Let's start here. I speak English and live in the 21st Century. I am communicating something about "FREE WILL" in my own language and my own time period. And I didn't quote a Bible passage. So why would you expect me to have a Biblical definition of the will?

If you want to discuss a Bible passage, then quote one and let's examine what the Biblical author means by his word,
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

The bold and underlined words are translations of thelO, I will/want/desire. Paul says he can will/want/desire to do good. Therefore he is free to will/want/desire to do good, even when he fails to do it. He has a free will, by biblical vocabulary and standards, even when he is prevented from carrying out that will.
 
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13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

The bold and underlined words are translations of thelO, I will/want/desire. Paul says he can will/want/desire to do good. Therefore he is free to will/want/desire to do good, even when he fails to do it. He has a free will, by biblical vocabulary and standards, even when he is prevented from carrying out that will.
I disagree with your conclusion that Paul is describing a free will here. He is actually describing a man who is enslaved to himself. He laments Who will set me free from the body of this death? He contrasts who he is at the penultimate level with who he is at the ultimate level.

I think Paul is saying that he is a sinner at the ultimate level. He is sin at the ultimate level. He is evil at the utilmate level. His desire to do good is at the penultimate level. This is why he cries out, Who will save me from this body of death? He is at war with his members. In his mind he agrees with the Law, and in his mind he desires to do good, but deeper inside where coveting is adjudicated, he seems to always side with his members.

Paul is not simply saying that he struggles with sin; he is saying that at the ultimate level, at the deepest core of his being—the place where coveting is adjudicated—he discovers something horrifying: he is sin, he is evil, he is the problem. His desire to do good, his agreement with the Law, his longing for righteousness—these operate at the penultimate level, at the level of his conscious mind and moral intention. But when he looks beneath that layer, into the deeper recesses of his inner life, he finds that he consistently sides with “his members,” the part of him still enslaved to sin’s power. This is why he cries out, “Who will deliver me from this body of death?” He is not lamenting a mere habit or weakness; he is confessing that the ultimate level of his being is corrupted, bent, and incapable of producing righteousness. His war is not between two external forces—it is a war within himself, between the penultimate desire for good and the ultimate reality of indwelling sin. And only Christ can rescue him from that deepest, truest bondage.
 
I disagree with your conclusion that Paul is describing a free will here. He is actually describing a man who is enslaved to himself. He laments Who will set me free from the body of this death? He contrasts who he is at the penultimate level with who he is at the ultimate level.

I think Paul is saying that he is a sinner at the ultimate level. He is sin at the ultimate level. He is evil at the utilmate level. His desire to do good is at the penultimate level. This is why he cries out, Who will save me from this body of death? He is at war with his members. In his mind he agrees with the Law, and in his mind he desires to do good, but deeper inside where coveting is adjudicated, he seems to always side with his members.

Paul is not simply saying that he struggles with sin; he is saying that at the ultimate level, at the deepest core of his being—the place where coveting is adjudicated—he discovers something horrifying: he is sin, he is evil, he is the problem. His desire to do good, his agreement with the Law, his longing for righteousness—these operate at the penultimate level, at the level of his conscious mind and moral intention. But when he looks beneath that layer, into the deeper recesses of his inner life, he finds that he consistently sides with “his members,” the part of him still enslaved to sin’s power. This is why he cries out, “Who will deliver me from this body of death?” He is not lamenting a mere habit or weakness; he is confessing that the ultimate level of his being is corrupted, bent, and incapable of producing righteousness. His war is not between two external forces—it is a war within himself, between the penultimate desire for good and the ultimate reality of indwelling sin. And only Christ can rescue him from that deepest, truest bondage.
My friends, you are both seeing something true in Romans 7, but each of you is absolutizing one layer of Paul’s experience instead of holding both together the way Paul himself does: My friends, you are both seeing something true in Romans 7, but each of you is absolutizing one layer of Paul’s experience instead of holding both together the way Paul himself does: PaulThomson
is right that Paul repeatedly uses thelō (“I will/desire”) to affirm that he genuinely wants to do good, meaning the will is not extinguished or coerced—“to will is present with me”—but Roger316 is right that Paul also confesses a deeper, more devastating reality, that indwelling sin enslaves his ability to carry out what he wills, so that at the ultimate level he discovers corruption in his very members; the resolution is that Paul is not describing either a triumphant free will or a total annihilation of will, but a divided man, where the regenerate mind delights in God’s law while the flesh remains hostile, producing the war he describes—this is why he cries, “Who shall deliver me?” because the will alone cannot rescue him, and the flesh alone cannot obey him; thus Romans 7 teaches that the believer’s desire is free, but his performance is enslaved, and only Christ delivers him from the deeper bondage that his own will cannot overcome is right that Paul repeatedly uses thelō (“I will/desire”) to affirm that he genuinely wants to do good, meaning the will is not extinguished or coerced—“to will is present with me”—but Student B is right that Paul also confesses a deeper, more devastating reality, that indwelling sin enslaves his ability to carry out what he wills, so that at the ultimate level he discovers corruption in his very members; the resolution is that Paul is not describing either a triumphant free will or a total annihilation of will, but a divided man, where the regenerate mind delights in God’s law while the flesh remains hostile, producing the war he describes—this is why he cries, “Who shall deliver me?” because the will alone cannot rescue him, and the flesh alone cannot obey him; thus Romans 7 teaches that the believer’s desire is free, but his performance is enslaved, and only Christ delivers him from the deeper bondage that his own will cannot overcome.