Both sides ( replacement theology adherents, and non replacement adherents, believe that)
No brainer
The Church, and Israel and the Last Days.
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No brainer
Exactly.
We see in the prodigal separation from the father.
NOT REMOVAL OF HIS BLOOD BIRTH.
Replacement theology is birthed from men's minds.
Who have no understanding of covenant.
Th OT.= you could sin ( behavior) and get it covered via a sin offering ...ahem, innocent blood.
The NT= you can still sin and get it covered via innocent blood.
Both have remedy for bad behavior
Yep, here comes the name calling.
(Postribber main pillar)
Here is your deal...MAINLY COMMENTARY.
"Genesis 19:16 is the verse you’re looking for—the one that explicitly says Lot was taken by the hand and escorted out of the city: “But he lingered; so the men seized him and his wife and his two daughters by the hand, the LORD being merciful to him, and they brought him out and set him outside the city.” That single line shows everything: Lot hesitated, the angels physically grabbed him, the rescue was entirely God’s mercy, and the removal was literal, not symbolic. He was saved, everyone else removed in judgement by fire."
You really push hard on your error.
Trying to make lot stay and wicked removed.
Ridiculous fantasy.
You have a hard Job, as do all postribs i force to go against the bible.
But I know, I know, it is rough when your doctrine is wrong and you have to start over.
Pssst..."siezed him and removed him"....where is that mirrored in the bible???
Ahem....the rapture
THEY WERE REMOVED BY FIRE FROM HEAVEN, DEAD, BURNED TO CRISP, REMOVED FROM THE EARTH.
Replacement theology is the removal of israel completely from the picture.
It declares Only the church exists.
Israel has supposedly become spiritual.
So it is obviously erroneous.
That is the argument
“Well, Paul declared he is a jew, and the jewish people his brethren.
So Paul was confused?”
right paul was a Jew and had to convert to Christianity ….. like he was advising everyone else jew and gentile to do ….
replacement theology ? Not really sure what that means to you but …..something seems like it was removed and replaced with others
“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,
and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:43 KJV
who could ever think God has the right to take thier kingdom from them and give it to others …..when they rejected and killed gods son ……..such terrible error“Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be our's. And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. What shall therefore the Lord of the vineyard do?
he will come and destroy the husbandmen,
and will give the vineyard unto others.”
Mark 12:6-9 KJV
People must just be imagining these things
“I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day. Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.
But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:
that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.”
Isaiah 65:2, 5-7, 11-12,
theres …. A new covenant , that promises to create new hearts and spirits in new people it holds a new promised land and blessings abundant and beyond.
Im not sure the labels people make up like “ replacement theology “ make any sense but the scriptire says what it says plainly and repeatedly
Very well said.“Well, Paul declared he is a jew, and the jewish people his brethren.
So Paul was confused?”
right paul was a Jew and had to convert to Christianity ….. like he was advising everyone else jew and gentile to do ….
replacement theology ? Not really sure what that means to you but …..something seems like it was removed and replaced with others
“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,
and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:43 KJV
“Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be our's. And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. What shall therefore the Lord of the vineyard do?
he will come and destroy the husbandmen,
and will give the vineyard unto others.”
Mark 12:6-9 KJV
People must just be imagining these things
“I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day. Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.
But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:
that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.”
Isaiah 65:2, 5-7, 11-12,
theres …. A new covenant , that promises to create new hearts and spirits in new people it holds a new promised land and blessings abundant and beyond.
Im not sure the labels people make up like “ replacement theology “ make any sense but the scriptire says what it says plainly and repeatedly
For ethnic Israel, as Peter, Paul, mark...even now, many come to Jesus, we are all one in Jesus.
Jesus is speaking directly to the Scribes and Pharisees, warning them that the kingdom of God was about to be taken away from them—that is, from Israel’s corrupt religious authorities who had failed in their stewardship. He is not announcing that the kingdom would be taken from Israel as a nation and handed over to the Gentiles. Rather, he is declaring that the kingdom would be transferred from Israel’s failed leadership to Jesus himself and those who follow him, especially his Apostles, who would become the new shepherds of God’s people.
This shift is not a rejection of Israel but a reconstitution of Israel’s leadership under the Messiah. Jesus embodies the kingdom in his own person and ministry, and his disciples become the authorized agents of that kingdom. Thus, when Jesus says the kingdom is “in your midst,” he is telling Israel’s leaders that the kingdom is standing right in front of them—present in his works, his authority, and his messianic mission. The kingdom is not being removed from Israel; it is being removed from her corrupt rulers and entrusted to the Messiah and his faithful followers.
Yes that’s the point we weren’t under the Old Testament but now we are in Christ and with a better covenant and better promises
“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,…. that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:”
Ephesians 2:11-15, 18-21 KJV
Consistantly that’s what it says
“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,…. that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:”
Ephesians 2:11-15, 18-21 KJV
Consistantly that’s what it says
Jesus is speaking directly to the Scribes and Pharisees, warning them that the kingdom of God was about to be taken away from them—
And preisthood and lawyers yes the chosen leadership of israel when they entered the land the same group who was leading the people stirring them to shout crucify him crucify him ! Same who shouted we have no king but ceasar
The old covenant and nation itself is tied to its leadership that’s why he says “ taken from you and given to a nation that will bear its fruits “
If you look at the orable it’s about the constant rejection by Israel of the prophets beforhand the second wave of latter prophets and finally the rejection and killing of Jesus gods son
All those isralites who chose to follow thier leadership are in the same boat no isralite can ever be saved without accepting Jesus they can’t be part of his kingdom without accepting Jesus
the nation the kingdom is given to is the nation of believers throughout the world those who bear the fruits of the gospel regardless of nationality
“Rather, he is declaring that the kingdom would be transferred from Israel’s failed leadership to Jesus himself and those who follow him, especially his Apostles, who would become the new shepherds of God’s people.”
i agree with this and notice the apostles never even mention the land of the old covenant as any inheritance in the new …they never teach that Israel’s land would be restored or that the temple would be rebuilt or any of the old covenant things would return rather they teach about this we’re waiting on
“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:13 KJV
Israel’s old covenant changed to the new not just who was serving god as leaders. The priesthood changed from leviticle to melchezideks line before israel existed the promises and mediator changed the promised land of the covenant changed
and yes he promised to make new people with the covenant to come
it’s why they all talk about being born again or being made a new man or a
“and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:23-24 KJV
flesh and blood no longer helps isralites they have to have faith and it’s no different from a gentile with faith ……
Lot was removed.
The townspeople stayed.
You can do special dances around it.
Place that same dynamic on those wicked you say are taken in the Noah analogy.
Nobody is physically taken ???
Yes Paul converted to Christianity.“Well, Paul declared he is a jew, and the jewish people his brethren.
So Paul was confused?”
right paul was a Jew and had to convert to Christianity ….. like he was advising everyone else jew and gentile to do ….
replacement theology ? Not really sure what that means to you but …..something seems like it was removed and replaced with others
“Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,
and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:43 KJV
“Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be our's. And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. What shall therefore the Lord of the vineyard do?
he will come and destroy the husbandmen,
and will give the vineyard unto others.”
Mark 12:6-9 KJV
People must just be imagining these things
“I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day. Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.
But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:
that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.”
Isaiah 65:2, 5-7, 11-12,
theres …. A new covenant , that promises to create new hearts and spirits in new people it holds a new promised land and blessings abundant and beyond.
Im not sure the labels people make up like “ replacement theology “ make any sense but the scriptire says what it says plainly and repeatedly
It was AFTER that conversion he called himself a Jew and the Jews his brethren.
Scripture says what it say.
Noahs flood, the people outside the ark? yeah TAKEN BY FLOOD WATER Removed
Lots day, the people of Sodom and Gomorrah die by direct, catastrophic judgment from God—Genesis 19 says the Lord rained down “sulfur and fire” from heaven. Removed
Christs return, wicked removed, by the brightness of his coming.
That is what scripture says
“Scripture says what it say.”
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
Is scripture saying that when you are baptized into Christ there’s no such thing as Jew or Greek ? But you put on Christ instead and become hiers of Abraham ?
It really does just say plainly what it says since you appreciate Paul
“For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.”
Romans 10:12 KJV
“Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.”
Colossians 3:9-
god no longer cares regarding anyone’s race or ethnicity or nationality it’s meaningless . Jesus flesh and blood is what matters and our relationship to him.
believers are gods people they aren’t defined by flesh and blood that sort of was the original point
“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
Romans 9:6, 8 KJV
In other words
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
Men tend to look at what we see and know gods word developes a very alternate view from it though
They agree only Jesus.
So there is no argument.
Not sure why people already agree, then still arguing for what?
Oh, now we are jumping to rev 19?
(The second coming, Where Jesus comes, with us on millions of Horses, in power and glory?)
Ok, so now you moved the clock from "before the flood", to "after the flood".
So in your theory, after the flood Noah is gathered and removed? ( a postrib gathering/ rapture? )
What happened to your first theory of a pretrib wicked person rapture of half the planet????? (BEFORE THE FLOOD)
A wicked man rapture pretrib, but a rapture of saints postrib?
Even more confusion.
1) Where is the rapture event in the Lot example/analogy, by Jesus.
Show me the rapture.
Where is the rapture event in the Noah analogy, by Jesus?
Show me the rapture.
(Remember, you are placing the rapture postrib.....And use mat 24:29-31 to advance that theory.)
ALL rapture verses are, normal life, everyday life, Commerce, planning for the future, buying and selling.
But you have a theory where the exact opposite is" true".
Both sides of that debate believe exactly that.
No salvation outside of Jesus.
We all know that
Great verses.
We all belive that.
Nobody is know of rejects any of that.
The first church was all Jewish converts.
And everyone of them was one new man in Christ
Then the gentles came in and thousands were born again, and they became one new man in Christ. Every single believer weather jew or Greek. We're all born again and share the same salvation in the same covenant.
That is not the debate at all.
I got saved in a replacement theology church.
They were amill, As well.
IT was error, with a bonus error, in one Fellowship.
once i started studying bible, it was a no brainer.
2 covenant people.
Gomer
Ruth
Naomi
Boaz.