How do we testify to this word of the Lord?

[DavidLamb]

No, praise God, I am a found sheep.

When God revealed Himself, you were not found to be a lost sheep. For if you were truly a sheep whom the Lord had found, surely you would recognize and understand His voice.
JOHN 10:27
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

But I do recognise and understand my Saviour's voice. The fact that I don't agree with your unusual doctrines, such as believing that the while Bible is parables and dark sayings, or that all events recorded in the Bible must still be happening today, does not mean that I am not one of my Saviour's sheep.

I fear for any lost sheep who read your confusing and unbiblical posts.

And even after all this, you still do not understand what has been said to you, because you have never truly been a lost sheep. Therefore, the voice you understand is merely the human understanding of God’s word.

No it is not. It is not a requirement of understanding God's word that we have to believe it is all parables and dark sayings. Anyway, you seem to apply that idea inconsistently. For example, you quoted John 10:27 above, but you have not applied some dark or hidden meaning to it.

 

[Dino246]

NKJV Jhn 20:29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

It really appears that your understanding of God’s Word is limited to the literal meaning.
If God used the name Thomas, it does not necessarily mean that He was referring only to Thomas himself.
Rather, there may be a spiritual message conveyed through the name Thomas.

Perhaps if you were in the position of the rich man who died at the same time as the poor man Lazarus, and you asked Abraham to send Lazarus back to earth to warn your brothers, you would not believe Abraham when he said that there was no need for Lazarus to return to earth because Moses was already there.

But how could Moses still be on earth when he had already been dead as well as all prophets for a long time, especially since this event took place during the New Testament period?
LUKE 16:
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

That is why Abraham used the name Moses. It does not necessarily mean Moses who lived in the Old Testament and delivered God’s Ten Commandments. Rather, there is a spiritual message from God behind the reason why the name Moses was used.

You have been deceived into thinking the plain text doesn't mean what it says.

OF COURSE Abraham meant the same Moses who led Israel out of Egypt. He is pointing the rich man to Scripture... what we call the old testament.

 

[Godsgood]

No, you have "shared" a strange version of what you consider to be the truth. This seems to include these strange views:

That God in His word never reveals literal truth. The whole of God's word, according to you, consists of parables and dark sayings.

That events recorded in the Scriptures, even events like the Flood, which God's word says came to an end before Noah left the ark, are still happening today.

By God's grace, I came to know Jesus Christ as my Saviour about 50 years ago now, and in all that time, your posts are the only place where I have come across these unbiblical teachings.

It seems strange that you, who have stated that you have only read less than a quarter of the Bible, with no indication that you have any intention of reading the rest of it as time goes on, should continue to make such statements as you do about what you imagine God's word teaches.

No, you have "shared" a strange version of what you consider to be the truth. This seems to include these strange views:
That God in His word never reveals literal truth. The whole of God's word, according to you, consists of parables and dark sayings.

That events recorded in the Scriptures, even events like the Flood, which God's word says came to an end before Noah left the ark, are still happening today.

We are those who have come to know the one true God. The truth we share begins with knowing the one true God, because understanding His words comes next.

So even if I continue sharing these things with you, I believe you will still say the same things. God alone knows whether He will allow me to continue, or whether it is time for me to shake the dust from my feet.

 

[Dino246]

I am pleased to say that my belief is indeed the same as that expressed by Thomas, when he called Jesus "my Lord and my God."

Human belief can never be used as the basis for salvation, because the heart is deceitful above all things, and no one can fully know it, as stated in Jeremiah 17:9

If human belief could be relied upon as the basis for salvation, then God would not have needed to give us this warning.
PROVERBS 14:12
12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

What makes you think that YOUR belief is anything other than "human belief"? Why is it that everyone who disagrees with you is accused of having something inferior?

And why do you keep stating that *anything* is not "a basis for belief"? Nobody has claimed that anything IS a basis for belief OTHER THAN the truth of Scripture. You are making arguments where there are none needed.

The belief a person must have for salvation should be the result of the faith that God grants.
EPHESIANS 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

You have that backwards. While faith is indeed a gift from God, faith is built on facts, and a person must accept the truth of those facts.

And the faith that comes from God is granted only to those who humble themselves, which is why they come to know the one true God.

Where in Scripture does it state that faith is only "granted to those who humble themselves"?

 

[Dino246]

We are those who have come to know the one true God. The truth we share begins with knowing the one true God, because understanding His words comes next.

So even if I continue sharing these things with you, I believe you will still say the same things. God alone knows whether He will allow me to continue, or whether it is time for me to shake the dust from my feet.

Blah blah blah. Meaningless drivel. You're deceived.

Please, "shake the dust from your feet" and leave this forum.

 

[DavidLamb]

No, you have "shared" a strange version of what you consider to be the truth. This seems to include these strange views:
That God in His word never reveals literal truth. The whole of God's word, according to you, consists of parables and dark sayings.

That events recorded in the Scriptures, even events like the Flood, which God's word says came to an end before Noah left the ark, are still happening today.

We are those who have come to know the one true God. The truth we share begins with knowing the one true God, because understanding His words comes next.

So even if I continue sharing these things with you, I believe you will still say the same things. God alone knows whether He will allow me to continue, or whether it is time for me to shake the dust from my feet.

You still seem to be suggesting that those of us who don't agree with your strange views don't know the one true God, and that only you and anybody else who believes as you do (that the whole Bible consists of dark sayings and parables, and that all the events recorded in the Bible are still happening today) actually do know God.

 

[Godsgood]

But I do recognise and understand my Saviour's voice. The fact that I don't agree with your unusual doctrines, such as believing that the while Bible is parables and dark sayings, or that all events recorded in the Bible must still be happening today, does not mean that I am not one of my Saviour's sheep.

No it is not. It is not a requirement of understanding God's word that we have to believe it is all parables and dark sayings. Anyway, you seem to apply that idea inconsistently. For example, you quoted John 10:27 above, but you have not applied some dark or hidden meaning to it.

By God's grace, I came to know Jesus Christ as my Saviour about 50 years ago now, and in all that time, your posts are the only place where I have come across these unbiblical teachings.

It seems strange that you, who have stated that you have only read less than a quarter of the Bible, with no indication that you have any intention of reading the rest of it as time goes on, should continue to make such statements as you do about what you imagine God's word teaches.

Regarding your statement that you recognize the Lord Jesus as your Savior, the evidence that this does not come from God is that you cannot reconcile it with what God the Father said, that He alone is the one true God and that besides Him there is no Savior.
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
When the judgment comes, this is what the Lord will say to them.
MATTHEW 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Dino246]

And even after all this, you still do not understand what has been said to you, because you have never truly been a lost sheep. Therefore, the voice you understand is merely the human understanding of God’s word.

That doesn't even make sense. Your "understanding" of cause and effect... isn't understanding at all.

 

[Dino246]

Regarding your statement that you recognize the Lord Jesus as your Savior, the evidence that this does not come from God is that you cannot reconcile it with what God the Father said, that He alone is the one true God and that besides Him there is no Savior.

You claim things about others that you don't know. You use that non-knowledge as a foundation for dismissing everything others say.
That makes you either a jackdonkey or a fool.

ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
When the judgment comes, this is what the Lord will say to them.
MATTHEW 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

There is no direct linkage between those two passages, so your argument is moot.

 

[Godsgood]

But I do recognise and understand my Saviour's voice. The fact that I don't agree with your unusual doctrines, such as believing that the while Bible is parables and dark sayings, or that all events recorded in the Bible must still be happening today, does not mean that I am not one of my Saviour's sheep.

No it is not. It is not a requirement of understanding God's word that we have to believe it is all parables and dark sayings. Anyway, you seem to apply that idea inconsistently. For example, you quoted John 10:27 above, but you have not applied some dark or hidden meaning to it.

But I do recognise and understand my Saviour's voice. The fact that I don't agree with your unusual doctrines, such as believing that the while Bible is parables and dark sayings, or that all events recorded in the Bible must still be happening today, does not mean that I am not one of my Saviour's sheep.

Just from what the Lord Jesus said in Mark 4:34, that He spoke to them in parables, and in Matthew 13:10, you already chose not to believe Him. How then can you understand Him?

 

[Revelation1v8]

By God's grace, I came to know Jesus Christ as my Saviour about 50 years ago now, and in all that time, your posts are the only place where I have come across these unbiblical teachings.

It seems strange that you, who have stated that you have only read less than a quarter of the Bible, with no indication that you have any intention of reading the rest of it as time goes on, should continue to make such statements as you do about what you imagine God's word teaches.

Regarding your statement that you recognize the Lord Jesus as your Savior, the evidence that this does not come from God is that you cannot reconcile it with what God the Father said, that He alone is the one true God and that besides Him there is no Savior.
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
When the judgment comes, this is what the Lord will say to them.
MATTHEW 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So, how do you reconcile all of that with what Jesus said in John 14:7-9, John 8:19 and all of the verses I've already given you in my previous post below?

You don't believe in the Trinity of God?

While there is only one throne in Heaven, Revelation 22:1 & 3 shows you that Jesus sits on the throne as the "Lamb". Revelation 1:8 & 18 shows you that Jesus IS the Alpha & Omega. Zechariah 14:9 shows us that when Jesus returns to earth, everyone will finally come to that realization.

Revelation 22:1 & 3 - 1) And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 3) And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Revelation 1:8 & 18 - 8) am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Zechariah 14:9 - And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

The reason Zechariah 14:9 says that His name will be "one" is because Jesus returns with a new name that only He knows and we too will have that name written on us as shown in Revelation 3:12 and Revelation 19:12.

Jesus will show all of us how HE was ALWAYS the Alpha & Omega like He says in Revelation 1:8 & 18.

 

[Dino246]

To avoid arguments.
Those of us who have come to know the one true God have been given a warning by the Lord, and we follow it.
MATTHEW 10:14
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

Obviously you don't follow the warning, because you are still here.

 

[Godsgood]

But I do recognise and understand my Saviour's voice. The fact that I don't agree with your unusual doctrines, such as believing that the while Bible is parables and dark sayings, or that all events recorded in the Bible must still be happening today, does not mean that I am not one of my Saviour's sheep.

No it is not. It is not a requirement of understanding God's word that we have to believe it is all parables and dark sayings. Anyway, you seem to apply that idea inconsistently. For example, you quoted John 10:27 above, but you have not applied some dark or hidden meaning to it.

No it is not. It is not a requirement of understanding God's word that we have to believe it is all parables and dark sayings. Anyway, you seem to apply that idea inconsistently. For example, you quoted John 10:27 above, but you have not applied some dark or hidden meaning to it.

Because you refuse to humble yourself before God, you insist that it is not true that the Lord speaks in parables or dark sayings. And I am not the one who will explain why He said those things. The Lord alone reveals the truth through His Word.

We are people who have come to know the one true God. When God came into our lives, we came to understand something like this: suppose we see something that is clearly white, and we ask other people what they see, and everyone answers, “White.” But when God comes and tells us that it is not white but black, we do not say to Him, “Lord, I can clearly see that it is white, and everyone else sees it as white too. Why are You saying that it is black?”

Instead, we recognize that the Lord is the One who gave us our sight in the first place, and we testify that what we clearly see as white is actually not white but black, because that is what the Lord has revealed.

I don't know if you understand what I mean, but this has to do with the fact that God's Word may be clear to human understanding. That is why you believe it is not a parable or a dark saying.

We are people who have come to know the one true God. When we humbled ourselves before Him and accepted that He speaks in parables or dark sayings, He began revealing the truth in His words to us, one by one.

And we testify to people that indeed, the Lord speaks in parables or dark sayings.

 

[Godsgood]

So, how do you reconcile all of that with what Jesus said in John 14:7-9, John 8:19 and all of the verses I've already given you in my previous post below?

You don't believe in the Trinity of God?

While there is only one throne in Heaven, Revelation 22:1 & 3 shows you that Jesus sits on the throne as the "Lamb". Revelation 1:8 & 18 shows you that Jesus IS the Alpha & Omega. Zechariah 14:9 shows us that when Jesus returns to earth, everyone will finally come to that realization.

Revelation 22:1 & 3 - 1) And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 3) And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Revelation 1:8 & 18 - 8) am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Zechariah 14:9 - And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

The reason Zechariah 14:9 says that His name will be "one" is because Jesus returns with a new name that only He knows and we too will have that name written on us as shown in Revelation 3:12 and Revelation 19:12.

Jesus will show all of us how HE was ALWAYS the Alpha & Omega like He says in Revelation 1:8 & 18.

If you are willing to listen, then I can share it to you. With God's grace. All verses you mention will be reconciled.

 

[Dino246]

But I do recognise and understand my Saviour's voice. The fact that I don't agree with your unusual doctrines, such as believing that the while Bible is parables and dark sayings, or that all events recorded in the Bible must still be happening today, does not mean that I am not one of my Saviour's sheep.

Just from what the Lord Jesus said in Mark 4:34, that He spoke to them in parables, and in Matthew 13:10, you already chose not to believe Him. How then can you understand Him?

Does Mark 4:34 state that Jesus spoke in parables at absolutely all times, and absolutely everything He says is a parable or a dark saying"?

No. It does not.

Mark 4:10-12 says this:

When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that,

“‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’

Mark 4:34 says this: "He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything."

Who is the "them" in verse 34? The crowds! That is clear because the second sentence distinguishes His disciples from the crowds.

You have completely failed to understand the context. You seem to think that "the secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you" but you don't understand the most basic concepts that the plain text tells you.

 

[Revelation1v8]

If you are willing to listen, then I can share it to you. With God's grace. All verses you mention will be reconciled.

Go for it.

 

[Dino246]

Go for it.

Should I make popcorn? His "reconciliation" should be entertaining... in the way "People of Wal-Mart" and "The Darwin Awards" are entertaining.

 

[Dino246]

And we testify to people that indeed, the Lord speaks in parables or dark sayings.

He does speak in parables or dark sayings...

SOMETIMES!

BUT NOT ALWAYS!

That's the part YOU don't understand.

 

[OMC]

Because you refuse to humble yourself before God, you insist that it is not true that the Lord speaks in parables or dark sayings. And I am not the one who will explain why He said those things. The Lord alone reveals the truth through His Word.

We are people who have come to know the one true God. When God came into our lives, we came to understand something like this: suppose we see something that is clearly white, and we ask other people what they see, and everyone answers, “White.” But when God comes and tells us that it is not white but black, we do not say to Him, “Lord, I can clearly see that it is white, and everyone else sees it as white too. Why are You saying that it is black?”

Instead, we recognize that the Lord is the One who gave us our sight in the first place, and we testify that what we clearly see as white is actually not white but black, because that is what the Lord has revealed.

I don't know if you understand what I mean, but this has to do with the fact that God's Word may be clear to human understanding. That is why you believe it is not a parable or a dark saying.

We are people who have come to know the one true God. When we humbled ourselves before Him and accepted that He speaks in parables or dark sayings, He began revealing the truth in His words to us, one by one.

And we testify to people that indeed, the Lord speaks in parables or dark sayings

What you are describing is not biblical humility, not biblical revelation, and not how parables or “dark sayings” function in Scripture. It is a mystical subjectivism that treats personal impressions as divine reversal of plain truth.

 

[Dino246]

What you are describing is not biblical humility, not biblical revelation, and not how parables or “dark sayings” function in Scripture. It is a mystical subjectivism that treats personal impressions as divine reversal of plain truth.

This site formerly had a "Winner" response icon. Having read your recent posts in this thread, I find much need for it.