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God’s rest is the state of entering His completed work, ceasing from self‑effort, and living in the finished provision He has already accomplished. In Genesis, God “rested” not because He was tired but because the work was finished; in Joshua, Israel failed to enter God’s rest because they trusted their fear more than His promise; in Hebrews 3–4, the Spirit explains that God’s rest is not a day, not Canaan, and not a ritual, but the ongoing reality of trusting Christ’s finished work instead of your own.
Hebrews 4:10 defines it with surgical clarity: “he that is entered into His rest has ceased from his own works as God did from His” — meaning the believer stops trying to justify himself, stops trying to earn righteousness, stops trying to secure his own standing, and instead lives inside the completed work of Christ. God’s rest is not inactivity; it is freedom from self‑salvation, the settled confidence that Christ has done what you cannot do.
He just totally forgot to teach His followers to observer it and totally forgot to put warnings in concerning what happens to those that don't observe Saturday that he totally forget to teach on, is that it?
Do you think the Apostles were being deceived by the devil when they were having meetings on Sunday than?
If so, then the writings in the New Testament cannot be trusted since they came from men who were deceived by the devil.
Are you prepared to say this is what you believe?
Jesus also never instructed anybody to follow Moses either.
You should read the Book of Hebrews where we see that the house of Moses is shut down because a greater than Moses is here now (Jesus Christ) and He is the High Priest now not Moses.
Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.
Hebrews 10:9 - Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Hebrews 8:6 - But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.
Hebrews 7:12 - For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Some adherents to keeping Saturday sabbath frequently ask “where did the Lord take Saturday sabbatrh way?”
The answer can be found in Hebrews 10:9 and in Hebrews 7:12.
See Hebrews 10:9 and in Hebrews 7:12
How do you explain away the fact that no place in the New Testament is not resting on Saturday called a sin? And nothing is mentioned about what happens to those that don't rest on Saturday?
The answer is simple, it's not a requirement because the New Covenant is based on better promises meaning we have a better rest that just resting on Saturday.
Hebrews 8:6 - But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
I'll take living in the House of Jesus with the better covenant He brought forth verses living in the house of Moses and that law of sin and death any day.
The claim that it's a sin to not rest on Saturday and those not doing so will burn in hell is false!
The Lord is teaching through the Apostle Paul certainly had a problem with the Galatians who fell from grace to go back to living under the law.
Galatians 4:9
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
In the passage below the Lord is teaching through the Apostle Paul that there is no such requirement for Christians to rest only on Saturday and those claiming none Saturday people aren't saved and are on their way to hell are in serious error, just like the Galatians who fell from grace to go back to living under the law.
Romans 14:4-6
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
He actually did:
Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and - Bible Gateway
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The burden of proof is on those trying to get Christians to turn away from Jesus Christ and the New Covenant back to Moses and the old covenant which is how the Galatians fells from grace.
Those living in Moses; house wouldn't know because they are under the law of Moses and not under the New Covenant with Jesus as their High Priest
unfortunately, You have built your entire argument on a conclusion that Hebrews 10:9 never actually states.
Hebrews 10:9 says:
And Hebrews itself tells us what the New Covenant does with God's law:
So the New Covenant does not say, “I will abolish My law.” It says God will write His laws on the hearts of His people.
You also appeal to Hebrews 7:12:
If Hebrews 7:12 meant that God's moral law was abolished, then you would have to explain why the same book immediately says:
And there is another problem with your argument. You say Jesus never instructed anyone to follow Moses. But Jesus Himself said:
Jesus also said:
You ask where Jesus warned that failing to rest on Saturday would send someone to hell. But that argument proves too much. Jesus also never gave your exact formula, “If you break commandment number six, you will burn in hell.” Yet Jesus clearly condemned murder and taught that His disciples must obey God's commandments that is all of it.
The question is not whether Jesus repeated every commandment with a separate penalty attached to it. The question is whether Scripture ever says the fourth commandment was abolished or changed from the seventh day to Sunday. and it was not nowhere can you find this in scripture
You appeal to the apostles meeting on the first day of the week as though a meeting on Sunday proves that God changed the Sabbath. It does not. Christians can meet on Sunday without being told that Sunday has become the Sabbath. The New Testament never says, “The seventh day has been changed to the first day.”
And your argument about the apostles being deceived by the devil is a false choice. Nobody has said that. The apostles could meet on the first day of the week without declaring that God had changed the fourth commandment.
Then you appeal to Galatians 4 and Romans 14. But neither passage says, “The fourth commandment has been abolished and Saturday is no longer God's Sabbath.”
Galatians 4 is addressing people returning to bondage to the former pagan “elements” and the observance of “days and months and seasons and years.” You cannot simply insert “the fourth commandment” into the passage and pretend Paul said it.
Romans 14 likewise never says, “The Sabbath commandment has been cancelled.” The passage concerns disputes over days and food, and you are assuming that the passage is specifically referring to the fourth commandment without proving it.
There is also something you have overlooked completely: Jesus never taught His disciples that the Sabbath had become meaningless.
When Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath, He did not say, “The Sabbath is abolished.” Instead He explained its proper purpose:
So no, I am not claiming Christians are saved by keeping Saturday. Salvation is through Christ. But that does not give us permission to invent a commandment that God supposedly cancelled when Scripture never says He did.
The real problem is that you keep presenting two choices: either live under Moses or abandon God's commandments. Jesus gave us a third and better answer: follow Him.
The New Covenant is not “Moses versus Jesus.” It is God's law written on the heart under the greater covenant, with Jesus as High Priest and Mediator.
And if you believe the Sabbath was cancelled, then simply show the passage that says so.
Not Hebrews 10:9. It does not say it.
Not Hebrews 7:12. It does not say it.
Not Galatians 4. It does not say it.
Not Romans 14. It does not say it.
And not a meeting on Sunday. A meeting is not a commandment changing the Sabbath.
You have shown passages concerning the change of priesthood, sacrifices, and covenant administration. You have not shown a passage where God says, “The seventh-day Sabbath is cancelled,” nor one where He says, “Sunday is now the Sabbath.”
That is the actual issue.
Hebrews 10:9 says:
What is “the first” that is being taken away? The context tells us. Hebrews 10 is discussing the repeated animal sacrifices and offerings of the old priestly system. Christ came as the perfect sacrifice, so those sacrifices are no longer required. That is what the passage is addressing.
And Hebrews itself tells us what the New Covenant does with God's law:
Notice: “I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts.”
So the New Covenant does not say, “I will abolish My law.” It says God will write His laws on the hearts of His people.
You also appeal to Hebrews 7:12:
Again, read the context. The entire chapter is explaining the change from the Levitical priesthood to Christ's priesthood. The law concerning the priesthood necessarily changes when the priesthood changes. It does not say, “The Ten Commandments have been abolished.”
If Hebrews 7:12 meant that God's moral law was abolished, then you would have to explain why the same book immediately says:
You cannot use Hebrews 7:12 to erase Hebrews 10:16.
And there is another problem with your argument. You say Jesus never instructed anyone to follow Moses. But Jesus Himself said:
When the man asked which commandments, Jesus named commandments from God's law, including murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, honoring father and mother, and loving your neighbor. Jesus did not tell him, “Those Ten Commandments are the Covenant, and were placed in the ARK of the Covenant! the rest of the law was placed outside of the ark for a reason
Jesus also said:
And:
That is the New Covenant teaching from Jesus Himself.
You ask where Jesus warned that failing to rest on Saturday would send someone to hell. But that argument proves too much. Jesus also never gave your exact formula, “If you break commandment number six, you will burn in hell.” Yet Jesus clearly condemned murder and taught that His disciples must obey God's commandments that is all of it.
The question is not whether Jesus repeated every commandment with a separate penalty attached to it. The question is whether Scripture ever says the fourth commandment was abolished or changed from the seventh day to Sunday. and it was not nowhere can you find this in scripture
You appeal to the apostles meeting on the first day of the week as though a meeting on Sunday proves that God changed the Sabbath. It does not. Christians can meet on Sunday without being told that Sunday has become the Sabbath. The New Testament never says, “The seventh day has been changed to the first day.”
And your argument about the apostles being deceived by the devil is a false choice. Nobody has said that. The apostles could meet on the first day of the week without declaring that God had changed the fourth commandment.
Then you appeal to Galatians 4 and Romans 14. But neither passage says, “The fourth commandment has been abolished and Saturday is no longer God's Sabbath.”
Galatians 4 is addressing people returning to bondage to the former pagan “elements” and the observance of “days and months and seasons and years.” You cannot simply insert “the fourth commandment” into the passage and pretend Paul said it.
Romans 14 likewise never says, “The Sabbath commandment has been cancelled.” The passage concerns disputes over days and food, and you are assuming that the passage is specifically referring to the fourth commandment without proving it.
There is also something you have overlooked completely: Jesus never taught His disciples that the Sabbath had become meaningless.
When Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath, He did not say, “The Sabbath is abolished.” Instead He explained its proper purpose:
And He immediately declared:
Jesus corrected the Pharisees' misuse of the Sabbath. He did not announce its cancellation.
So no, I am not claiming Christians are saved by keeping Saturday. Salvation is through Christ. But that does not give us permission to invent a commandment that God supposedly cancelled when Scripture never says He did.
The real problem is that you keep presenting two choices: either live under Moses or abandon God's commandments. Jesus gave us a third and better answer: follow Him.
The New Covenant is not “Moses versus Jesus.” It is God's law written on the heart under the greater covenant, with Jesus as High Priest and Mediator.
And if you believe the Sabbath was cancelled, then simply show the passage that says so.
Not Hebrews 10:9. It does not say it.
Not Hebrews 7:12. It does not say it.
Not Galatians 4. It does not say it.
Not Romans 14. It does not say it.
And not a meeting on Sunday. A meeting is not a commandment changing the Sabbath.
You have shown passages concerning the change of priesthood, sacrifices, and covenant administration. You have not shown a passage where God says, “The seventh-day Sabbath is cancelled,” nor one where He says, “Sunday is now the Sabbath.”
That is the actual issue.
Yes, that would be the Law of Christ, not the law of Moses.
There's over 600 some odd laws given under the law of Moses.
If you are going to live under the law of Moses, you are required to keep each and every one with absolute perfection and if you miss one then you are doomed. Good luck with all that.
Did i ever say we have to live under the law of Moses? NO we do not have to as gentiles but the ten commandments and any other commandments Jesus proclaimed certainly! not because I say so but because Jesus asked us to.
The Sabbath was for those under the Law of Moses. Jesus was sent because no one was righteous under the Law of Moses. Even Jesus broke the Sabbath rules at times.
The entire reason Jesus came to earth was to atone for us because under the Mosaic Law, none of us were found righteous
As far as I'm concerned, every day belongs to God and I try to live as such, not just on Sunday or whatever day your theology teaches
The entire reason Jesus came to earth was to atone for us because under the Mosaic Law, none of us were found righteous
As far as I'm concerned, every day belongs to God and I try to live as such, not just on Sunday or whatever day your theology teaches
Sabbath observation predated the law of Moses.
Which is why the commandment is worded as, Remember the Sabbath Day and keep it holy.
Sabbath was not initiated by the Law of Moses.
My theology is God's word.
The first followers of The Way,later called Christianity in Antioch and not intended as a compliment,were Jews!
Guess where they and when they worshiped God? Everyday. And,on Sabbath .
Deuteronomy 5 roots the Sabbath in Israel’s exodus story, not in creation. That makes Sabbath‑keeping a covenant sign unique to Israel’s national identity. Passover is also Israel‑specific, but Deuteronomy’s language about Sabbath is what marks it as distinct from the other nations.
Colossians 2:16–17 is Paul’s explicit statement that Gentile Christians are not to be judged for failing to keep Israel’s covenant calendar—festivals, new moons, or Sabbaths. These were shadows pointing to Christ, and their covenant function was fulfilled in Him.
Under the New Covenant - everyday belongs to the Lord and should be kept as holy unto Him.
Not just Saturday
This is true.
The SDAs gonna ignore this
Paul said in 1 Cor. 2:16 “We have THE MIND OF CHRIST.” WHERE? In the New Tesrament. In the last “will” and Testament of Jesus. Paul goes on to say, “the things that I write to you are the COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD.” 1 Cor. 14:37. Do you think Paul is only talking about the book of Corinthians; or is he saying that EVERYTHING he has written “are the commandments of the Lord?” Obviously all the books that Paul wrote were inspired by God; breathed by the Holy Spirit; the “mind of Christ.”; the commandments of the Lord.
So indirectly, Jesus did say that the Sabbath has been TAKEN AWAY. Colossians 2:14-16. Jesus nailed those “handwritten” ordinances to His cross. They died when HE died on the cross. Verse 16 specifically names the Sabbath as one of those “handwritten requirements” that was “taken away.” Along with food restrictions ( clean and unclean meats), “religious festivals, new moons, and SABBATHS.” He says these things are the “SHADOW” while Jesus and His new law are the substance—the real thing. JESUS SAID THE SABBATHS HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWay.
Do you not know that the whole of the Law of Moses has been superseded and replaced by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ? Have you not read Colossians? Try verse 2:16. Have you read Acts 15? It blows your argument apart. No believer is under the Law. If you choose, as you do, you can put yourself under the Law. You ignore the truth that the Law brings death. So your argument is that God puts believers back under the law that kills. Even simple logic will show you how absurd that is.
You think that by obeying a set of rules God will be pleased with you. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not the Christian life. Walking in the Spirit pleases God.
You think that by obeying a set of rules God will be pleased with you. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not the Christian life. Walking in the Spirit pleases God.
Acts 15 relieves Gentile believers from the requirements of the Law. Colossians 2:16 confirms that the sabbath and food laws are not applicable to Gentiles. Paul told the Colossians not to accept judgement with respect to Jewish law. It would be wise for some who call themselves Christian to quit judging other believers.
If you choose to live by the Law, you will be judged by it. And there is no law plus grace." Either you are saved by grace or you must obey the law fully. Good luck with that.
If you choose to live by the Law, you will be judged by it. And there is no law plus grace." Either you are saved by grace or you must obey the law fully. Good luck with that.
@2Christ,
Don't everey anyone tell you God's laws no longer apply. That's false.
Some will say,we are not saved by works,so the laws don't apply.
God wrote his laws upon our hearts so we are never far from them.
That's what gives the Christian a righteous conscience.
Worry,when you meet a Christian that tells you moral laws don't apply to them.
Look to what God says. Not man. God said,Sin is lawlessness.
Here's the other thing you may soon realize. You will never change the wrong mindedness here.
If someone wants to observe Sabbath,do so!
That's between you and Jesus,who is Lord of the Sabbath.
When you pass on,Jesus isn't going to chastise you for it.
Though he may have an opinion about those who do.
Jesus is our Prince of Peace. We are to live in the peace of Christ.
Isn't it amazing how hard some work to change that?
Be Blessed .
Don't everey anyone tell you God's laws no longer apply. That's false.
Some will say,we are not saved by works,so the laws don't apply.
God wrote his laws upon our hearts so we are never far from them.
That's what gives the Christian a righteous conscience.
Worry,when you meet a Christian that tells you moral laws don't apply to them.
Look to what God says. Not man. God said,Sin is lawlessness.
Here's the other thing you may soon realize. You will never change the wrong mindedness here.
If someone wants to observe Sabbath,do so!
That's between you and Jesus,who is Lord of the Sabbath.
When you pass on,Jesus isn't going to chastise you for it.
Though he may have an opinion about those who do.
Jesus is our Prince of Peace. We are to live in the peace of Christ.
Isn't it amazing how hard some work to change that?
Be Blessed .
@2Christ,
Don't everey anyone tell you God's laws no longer apply. That's false.
Some will say,we are not saved by works,so the laws don't apply.
God wrote his laws upon our hearts so we are never far from them.
That's what gives the Christian a righteous conscience.
Worry,when you meet a Christian that tells you moral laws don't apply to them.
Look to what God says. Not man. God said,Sin is lawlessness.
Here's the other thing you may soon realize. You will never change the wrong mindedness here.
If someone wants to observe Sabbath,do so!
That's between you and Jesus,who is Lord of the Sabbath.
When you pass on,Jesus isn't going to chastise you for it.
Though he may have an opinion about those who do.
Jesus is our Prince of Peace. We are to live in the peace of Christ.
Isn't it amazing how hard some work to change that?
Be Blessed .
Romans 14:3-5
…The one who eats everything must not belittle the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.…
Personally, I live by a higher law than the law of Moses. It's the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ. Jesus taught that it is possible to be outwardly obedient while inwardly sinning. No written law can change that. If we could live by the law, Jesus died in vain.
Personally, I live by a higher law than the law of Moses. It's the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ. Jesus taught that it is possible to be outwardly obedient while inwardly sinning. No written law can change that. If we could live by the law, Jesus died in vain.
Nothing to do with the Jewish Sabbath. It has everything to do with trusting Jesus with your whole life. If it was talking about the literal Sabbath, it would require you never to work again. That could get awkward when it's time to pay the bills.
The Christian life is a life of resting in the finished work of Christ, through His death and resurrection. It is taking His yoke upon us. "For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work..........." verse 10. Yet we are also rewarded (or not) according to our works. This is not contradictory. God accepts what is of Christ and rejects those works which are not. (1 Corinthians 3:14)