Sin daily?

[Freed18]

The Global Proclamation of the Gospel:
Jesus noted that the end would not come until the message of the kingdom is preached to all nations as a testimony (Matthew 24:14).The Full Harvest of the Church: The gathering of the "fullness of the Gentiles" and the ultimate realization of the body of Christ (Romans 11:25).

Where in the OT was that proppesied, tht it had to be 'fulfilled' ?

The Second Coming of Christ:
The physical, triumphant return of Jesus to earth to defeat evil, execute judgment, and establish His physical kingdom (Revelation 19).The Final Judgment: The Great White Throne Judgment, where Satan, death, and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire, permanently separating good from evil (Revelation 20).

Same question again. ?

The Destruction and Renewal of Creation: The passing away of the current, fallen universe. In Revelation 21:1-6, a voice from the throne echoes Jesus’ words on the cross, declaring "It is done!"—but this time, it is spoken after the creation of a New Heaven and a New Earth, where sin, sorrow, and death no longer exist.

What does Revelation 21:6 mean? | BibleRef.com

Then He said to me, 'It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give water to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life, without cost. - What is the meaning of Revelation 21:6?

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If you really want to keep trying to be justified by Law keeping, Paul says you have fallen from grace.
Gal. 5 opens with..."Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

In your version of faith, Jesus' death and burial were unneccessary for salvation.

 

[Freed18]

By your own actions, you're taking "fulfilled" and altering it into abolishment. They are not the same thing. Fulfilled keeps the law present, but the requirements of the law complete. Abolishment says the law is no longer in effect.

I think I mentioned this earlier in another post but I can't be bothered to try and find it, so I'll just repeat it here. It goes back to the covenant made with Abraham. There are carcasses of animals on either side of a walkway. The symbolism is, if the covenant was broken, who broke it has to die. In this case, it has to be man. This is why God came to sacrifice His life, to fulfill that requirement of death, thus fulfilling the law that the requirement of sin = death. This is why a NEW covenant was born and also why Jesus said he came to save the Jews, because as the verses I quoted in Hebrews above, THEY broke it. Jesus as man, fulfilled the law that was broken because GOD walked both sets when He put Abraham to sleep.

Again, that's not doing away with the law. Your argument is literally abolishment which Christ said he wasn't doing. So you can choose not to believe it, but you're disregarding scripture in Hebrews and other places to do so.

I was not able to be justified by Law keeping.
Paul writes..." Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love." (Gal 5:1-6)

 

[Freed18]

And let's no forget this person must advocate for for killing people that sin with rocks claiming Christians are supposed to be living under the law of Moses.

Good point...burning witches, and all.

Who's want to be around people like this?

Amen.

 

[Bible_Locket]

Where in the OT was that proppesied, tht it had to be 'fulfilled' ?

Same question again. ?

Matthew 5:
18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

If you really want to keep trying to be justified by Law keeping, Paul says you have fallen from grace.
Gal. 5 opens with..."Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

In your version of faith, Jesus' death and burial were unneccessary for salvation.

I've never once said we have to keep the law so to remain in his Salvation.

The law is written on our hearts. So,if the law was done away with,noonger applicable to the Christian,then God made a mistake writing his laws upon our hearts.

I'll say this. If you ever meet someone who insists they are a lawless Christian,you're not actually meeting a holy spirit filled,indwelt,Christian.

 

[Delvianna]

I was not able to be justified by Law keeping.
Paul writes..." Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love." (Gal 5:1-6)

Okay, in Galatians Paul is correcting the idea that the law alone saves you. That doesn't mean you throw out the law though. It's forgiveness from God that allows you to be saved, but that doesn't mean that obedience to the law is null and void since God keeps telling us to follow His commands.

And as for me, brothers, if I am still preaching that circumcision is necessary, why am I still being persecuted? - Verse 11

Did Paul do away with the law? No. He did not.

Context of Galatians is fighting against accepting the law without Christ. It's not an argument to do away with the law, or that it's some how null and void. Context matters and you're using verses against their context.

 

[ScooterJackson]

Paul writes...

Did Paul say that or did the Lord say that through the Holy Spirit who told Paul to say it?

 

[Freed18]

Matthew 5:
18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

I am glad Jesus accomplished what He was referring to.

I've never once said we have to keep the law so to remain in his Salvation.

Good, as circumcision, dietary rules, and tithing are pointless.

The law is written on our hearts. So,if the law was done away with,noonger applicable to the Christian,then God made a mistake writing his laws upon our hearts.

Circumcision, dietary rules, priesthoods, and sacrifical killings, are not written on our hearts

I'll say this. If you ever meet someone who insists they are a lawless Christian,you're not actually meeting a holy spirit filled,indwelt,Christian.

That spends on what you mean by "law".
As Paul writes...
Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Some are adherents to the 600+ rules and regulations.
To no avail.
Others have the big 10 commandments written in their hearts, and live a live of love, and await the day of judgement with clean hearts and hands.

 

[Freed18]

Okay, in Galatians Paul is correcting the idea that the law alone saves you.

That, in my opinion, is an erroneous conclusion.

That doesn't mean you throw out the law though. It's forgiveness from God that allows you to be saved, but that doesn't mean that obedience to the law is null and void since God keeps telling us to follow His commands.

I am dead to the Law, by the Law.
Paul writes..."For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married toanother man.
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God." (Rom 7:2-4)
Having been crucified with Christ, I am no longer subject to manmade regulations and customs.

Did Paul do away with the law? No. He did not.

No, Christ did.
Paul writes..."Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (Col 2:14)
Paul also writes..."Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Col 2:16-17)
The traditions of the Law were the presages of Christ.
Now that Christ has arrived, the presages are no longer pertinant.

Context of Galatians is fighting against accepting the law without Christ. It's not an argument to do away with the law, or that it's some how null and void. Context matters and you're using verses against their context.

I disagree.
The context of Galatians was that keeping the Law could not justify a man, but that Christ could.
Circumcision, dietary rules, and sabbath keeping, never made anyone holy.
Only faith in Chriust can justify and sanctify a man.

 

[Freed18]

Did Paul say that or did the Lord say that through the Holy Spirit who told Paul to say it?

Paul would have said if that was his own opinion and not of the Lord.
So I can say it was of the Spirit of God, through Paul.

 

[Delvianna]

"Okay, in Galatians Paul is correcting the idea that the law alone saves you." Is literally your 2nd sentence reworded.

That, in my opinion, is an erroneous conclusion.


The context of Galatians was that keeping the Law could not justify a man, but that Christ could.

So your own conclusion is erroneous?

If a person is justified by the law, it means: The law itself provides the basis for finding that person legally in the right.

That within itself means, the law ALONE. You use these words like "justified" but I don't think you understand what they actually mean by itself. Which is leading you to add context to a definition that the word itself doesn't hold.

 

[Freed18]

"Okay, in Galatians Paul is correcting the idea that the law alone saves you." Is literally your 2nd sentence reworded.

Except you added the word alone.
Anyone who is trying to justify themselves by Law keeping had fallen from graces

So your own conclusion is erroneous?

I feel that your's was erroneous.

If a person is justified by the law, it means: The law itself provides the basis for finding that person legally in the right.

Due to man's inability to keep the Law perfectly, justificatiuin by the Law was impossible.

That within itself means, the law ALONE. You use these words like "justified" but I don't think you understand what they actually mean by itself. Which is leading you to add context to a definition that the word itself doesn't hold.

I read what has been written by Paul, before coming to my conclusions.
Circumcision, dietary rules, feast keeping, sabbathg keeping, tithing, etc. cannot save anyone.
If they could have saved anyone, Jeuss would have been unnecessary.
Only by faith in Christ will anyone be found worthy of eteranl life on the day of judgement.

 

[Delvianna]

Except you added the word alone.
Anyone who is trying to justify themselves by Law keeping had fallen from graces

I feel that your's was erroneous.

Due to man's inability to keep the Law perfectly, justificatiuin by the Law was impossible.

I read what has been written by Paul, before coming to my conclusions.
Circumcision, dietary rules, feast keeping, sabbathg keeping, tithing, etc. cannot save anyone.
If they could have saved anyone, Jeuss would have been unnecessary.
Only by faith in Christ will anyone be found worthy of eteranl life on the day of judgement.

The word alone is within the context of the word "justification" when in reference to the law. I gave you the definition.

So I guess there's no further point discussing this because we're going in circles when you aren't using the word correctly.

 

[Freed18]

The word alone is within the context of the word "justification" when in reference to the law. I gave you the definition.

So I guess there's no further point discussing this because we're going in circles when you aren't using the word correctly.

As Law keeping and living by faith cannot be intermingled, your 'guess' is correct.

 

[Delvianna]

As Law keeping and living by faith cannot be intermingled, your 'guess' is correct.

Let me ask you something, how can you be a changed person without following the law? If you still lie, steal, cheat, bear false witness, take the Lords name in vain, curse, speed, covet, treat your neighbor poorly, don't give anything to God, don't help the homeless, the widow or orphans. Don't celebrate God's own personal feasts He instituted, don't comply with what He says to do, how is that living in faith? Because you just believe Jesus is God and that's it? Even the demons believe. How does that make you ANY different? How does that make you an example of God's character? How does that show you are a child of God while actually acting like a child of Lucifer?

The law shows us HOW to live and how to do it righteously. To argue against it, is to argue against righteousness itself.

Matthew 7:22-23 is very clear. People can claim Jesus, people can claim God, even argue of proof of the holy spirit by performing miracles, but who does Jesus dismiss?

And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

The law never goes away...

 

[PennEd]

Because you just believe Jesus is God and that's it? Even the demons believe. How does that make you ANY different?

I find it interesting you never present the FULL Gospel unto Salvation.

It is NOT simply that Jesus is God. That view is what the demons believe and promote, so as to confuse the immature or searching Christian

This is THE Gospel unto Salvation:

God wrapped Himself in human flesh in the form of His Son, Jesus the Messiah. Conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin. He suffered, was crucified, and died to pay OUR sin debt. He was raised to life from the grave to prove He had defeated death. If you confess Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that His Father resurrected Him to Life on the 3rd day, you WILL be saved. You will be filled, and sealed with the Holy Spirit, who will empower ALL to turn from their sins. The sin of adultery, lying, stealing, homosexuality, gossip, slander, drunkenness, covetousness, etc... And most importantly the sin of DEAD works, or a moral life in an attempt to EARN Salvation. He will also equip you to love like He did and do good works for HIS Glory.

Can we hear you give the COMPLETE Gospel?

 

[Delvianna]

I find it interesting you never present the FULL Gospel unto Salvation.

It is NOT simply that Jesus is God. That view is what the demons believe and promote, so as to confuse the immature or searching Christian

This is THE Gospel unto Salvation:

God wrapped Himself in human flesh in the form of His Son, Jesus the Messiah. Conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin. He suffered, was crucified, and died to pay OUR sin debt. He was raised to life from the grave to prove He had defeated death. If you confess Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that His Father resurrected Him to Life on the 3rd day, you WILL be saved. You will be filled, and sealed with the Holy Spirit, who will empower ALL to turn from their sins. The sin of adultery, lying, stealing, homosexuality, gossip, slander, drunkenness, covetousness, etc... And most importantly the sin of DEAD works, or a moral life in an attempt to EARN Salvation. He will also equip you to love like He did and do good works for HIS Glory.

Never? Post 296. That's at least one of the times I went very specific with what salvation is. Maybe you missed it. I know I mentioned it before that, but there you go.

Your answer doesn't include Matthew 7:22-23. It actually ignores it. Because your entire salvation stance is belief in Christ and nothing else. The same people that ignore obedience. The same people that practice "lawlessness" because their entire salvation stance is nothing BUT belief. Obedience isn't an "earn". It's PROOF of your belief. Same argument James makes in his book.

Can we hear you give the COMPLETE Gospel?

Yes, can I hear the COMPLETE gospel from you? Because I've already said it multiple times. But for sake of argument, I'll say it again.

Christ took the punishment (death) that was required when the covenant was broken (Way back with God and Abraham). And He did it for all humanity because God walked the covenant row twice. Once for His side, and once for humanities side. That way, our DEATH was bought and paid for. No one can get to heaven or to have a relationship with the Father without that because the covenant was broken. Choosing God isn't just saying "I believe You are God and that you saved me." Choosing God is literally making Him Lord over your life. Literally saying I will follow and do everything you want me to do. Not because you're trying to earn your way, but because it is proof of the surrendered life you committed to as His servant. You are either a slave to righteousness or you're a slave to unrighteousness. You cannot serve 2 Masters. Your actions PROVE where your heart is. Where your faith is, where your belief is.

THAT is the full gospel. It's not cherry picking a few verses and claiming confession alone proves faith. This is why there is testing. This is why you have parables like the sower. When the sun comes out and some die. Your faith is TESTED. And IF you persevere... you will be saved.

Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

For those who??? LOVE Him. And how does God know who loves Him?

“If you love me, you will obey my commandments." - John 14:15-17

He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. - John 14:21

 

[ScooterJackson]

Paul would have said if that was his own opinion and not of the Lord.
So I can say it was of the Spirit of God, through Paul.

And on topics where Paul said it was his opinion, the Lord agreed with it and put Paul's opinion in scripture to be part of God's canon meaning Paul was led by the Lord in forming the opinions he holds.

If Paul had an opinion that was not in agreement with the Word of the Lord that would indicate Paul was not being led by the Lord and as such the Lord would have not put that opinion in His canon.

The Lord is the One Who controlled what went in to scripture in spite of man being involved.
If this was not true then the Bible needs to be burned.

 

[PennEd]

Never? Post 296. That's at least one of the times I went very specific with what salvation is. Maybe you missed it. I know I mentioned it before that, but there you go.

Of course all Scripture relates to Jesus and His Work of Salvation in some way. But what you posted does not succinctly convey what THE Gospel of Salvation is. Paul DEFINES that message for us:

1 Corinthians 15​

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The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality​

15 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles, Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

Your answer doesn't include Matthew 7:22-23. It actually ignores it.

Yes, because, these dudes relied on THEIR works, and law following. "Lord, Lord, did WE not do this, and did WE not do that!" NONE of them said "Lord, Lord, did we not trust on YOUR finished Work, and Sacrifice for our sins?"

Christ took the punishment (death) that was required when the covenant was broken (Way back with God and Abraham). And He did it for all humanity because God walked the covenant row twice. Once for His side, and once for humanities side. That way, our DEATH was bought and paid for. No one can get to heaven or to have a relationship with the Father without that because the covenant was broken. Choosing God isn't just saying "I believe You are God and that you saved me." Choosing God is literally making Him Lord over your life. Literally saying I will follow and do everything you want me to do. Not because you're trying to earn your way, but because it is proof of the surrendered life you committed to as His servant. You are either a slave to righteousness or you're a slave to unrighteousness. You cannot serve 2 Masters. Your actions PROVE where your heart is. Where your faith is, where your belief is.

THAT is the full gospel. It's not cherry picking a few verses and claiming confession alone proves faith. This is why there is testing. This is why you have parables like the sower. When the sun comes out and some die. Your faith is TESTED. And IF you persevere... you will be saved.

All this to say YOU need to help Jesus save you and keep you saved.

No thanks. I'll rely on Jesus for that, and for the Holy Spirit to continue to sanctify, discipline, and correct me to become more and more Christlike.
These guys relied on THIER works and law following to save themselves. "Lord, Lord, did WE not do THIS, and did WE not do that!"
NONE of them said "Lord, Lord, did we not trust in YOUR Finished Work, YOUR Sacrifice to pay for our sins!" Jesus answers He NEVER knew them. NOT, that at one time they were born again, and they didn't follow the Law, so Jesus disowned them. He NEVER made them His Child.

 

[ScooterJackson]

All this to say YOU need to help Jesus save you and keep you saved.

Romans 6:16 states: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

The Lord does teach in His Word that WE are the one's deciding to either walk in agreement with Him and live or be in agreement with the devil and be separated from the Lord which is what spi9ritual death is.

You don't think after becoming a Christian a person can living in agreement with the devil and still be saved, do you?

Romans 11:22 - Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Romans 8:13,14 - For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

2 Timothy 2:21 - If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Romans 12:1 - I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Very obviously the Lord is holding man responsible for his actions.

He NEVER made them His Child.

The reformed people claim God literally controls everything so if a person continues living in sin it's all God's fault because they claim God decided to not deliver them from sin and save them.

The reformed people also claim if a person is "elect" they can live in all the sin they'd like and still be saved. These people have been deceived by the devil.

 

[PennEd]

You don't think after becoming a Christian a person can living in agreement with the devil and still be saved, do you?

“Living in agreement with the devil” is an ambiguous term.

If someone is living in unrepentant sin, and not bothered at all about it, even if they call themselves a Christian, then they need to seriously examine whether they have indeed been saved. That is a fairly clear distinction that the Holy Spirit is not in them. Because God will discipline His children. So no conviction over sin is good indicator that person was never saved.

If on the other hand, a saved Christian backslides, possibly even appears to be “in agreement with the devil”, is disciplined by the Father, accepts and even delights in the Father’s discipline, and repents, then that is a very good indication he is His Father’s son, and is indeed a Christian.

The reformed people claim God literally controls everything so if a person continues living in sin it's all God's fault because they claim God decided to not deliver them from sin and save them.

I’m not “ reformed” although I believe they are right about most issues. But I seriously doubt this would be their position.

The reformed people also claim if a person is "elect" they can live in all the sin they'd like and still be saved. These people have been deceived by the devil.

same answer.