Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

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You think Ezekiel 37 must have a future literal replay is because you’ve built a purpose for the Millennium that Scripture never assigns — you’re treating the Millennium as God’s “proof stage,” a period where Jesus must literally reenact every Old Testament promise in physical form so Israel (and the world) will finally recognize Him as God; but the New Testament never says the Millennium exists to “prove” Jesus’ identity, never says ethnic Israel needs a second national resurrection to be convinced, and never says God delays fulfillment so He can stage a future demonstration.
The apostles say the opposite:
God has already proven Jesus by the resurrection (Acts 17:31),
already enthroned Him on David’s throne (Acts 2:30–36),
already revealed the mystery hidden in the OT (Ephesians 3:3–6),
and already broken the dividing wall between Jew and Gentile (Ephesians 2:14–16).
You’re inserting a future literal cycle because you assume God must “finish the story” in the same categories He began it, but the NT says the story is finished in Christ — the OT shadows reach their final form in Him, not in a temporary kingdom designed to repeat Israel’s history. The Millennium is not a stage for God to prove Himself; the cross and resurrection already did that.

It doesn't matter what you believe ONLY the New Testament says, even though it mentions the 1,000 years in Revelation 20. That's WHY we have the Old Testament & New Testament given together as a WHOLE. You have to take ALL of it together in context. While God/Jesus has already proven Himself to us who already believe the resurrection, that reality hasn't been made complete or totally known to Israel yet because they have been temporarily blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. While the OT shadows reach their ULTIMATE conclusion in Him, all that's been written hasn't been completed yet and Jesus said He MUST FULFILL ALL THINGS WRITTEN ABOUT HIM in the books of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms concerning HIM in Luke 24:44. The Bible clearly shows us in Ezekiel 37 that Jesus will reunite Israel's 12 tribes and bring the northern and southern kingdoms together again before the final spiritual fulfillment. That's why the 12 tribes of Israel listed in Revelation 7 as part of the 144,000 are partially different from the original ones.

 

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It doesn't matter what you believe ONLY the New Testament says, even though it mentions the 1,000 years in Revelation 20. That's WHY we have the Old Testament & New Testament given together as a WHOLE. You have to take ALL of it together in context. While God/Jesus has already proven Himself to us who already believe the resurrection, that reality hasn't been made complete or totally known to Israel yet because they have been temporarily blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. While the OT shadows reach their ULTIMATE conclusion in Him, all that's been written hasn't been completed yet and Jesus said He MUST FULFILL ALL THINGS WRITTEN ABOUT HIM in the books of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms concerning HIM in Luke 24:44. The Bible clearly shows us in Ezekiel 37 that Jesus will reunite Israel's 12 tribes and bring the northern and southern kingdoms together again before the final spiritual fulfillment. That's why the 12 tribes of Israel listed in Revelation 7 as part of the 144,000 are partially different from the original ones.

My AI assistant was asked to examine your last post and identify the world religious system it was defending. It asnwered with this:

Dispensational Premillennialism is a modern prophetic system built on three controlling ideas: (1) history is divided into distinct dispensations in which God administers His plan differently, (2) Israel and the Church are two permanently distinct peoples with different promises and destinies, and (3) prophecy must be interpreted with a consistently literal hermeneutic, producing a future earthly kingdom after Christ returns. From those premises, the system teaches that the Church age is a parenthesis in God’s plan for Israel, that Israel is currently blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles, that Christ will rapture the Church before a seven‑year Tribulation, and that He will then return to establish a 1,000‑year millennial kingdom in which national Israel is restored, the land promises are fulfilled, the temple is rebuilt, and Jesus reigns physically from Jerusalem over both resurrected saints and still‑mortal nations. The OT promises are not spiritually completed in Christ but await a national, geopolitical fulfillment in the millennium; the NT does not reinterpret the OT but adds a second layer of fulfillment. This is why dispensationalists treat passages like Ezekiel 37, Romans 11, and Revelation 7 as literal predictions of future tribal reunification and ethnic restoration rather than symbolic or Christological imagery. The system is internally coherent once its premises are accepted, but those premises—especially the two‑peoples‑of‑God distinction—are precisely what separate it from historic premillennialism and covenant theology.

Is it scripturally accurate?

No, it is not scripturally accurate because it assumes a hermeneutic the apostles never use: that Old Testament promises to ethnic Israel must be fulfilled again, literally, nationally, geopolitically after Christ has already fulfilled them in Himself. Dispensational Premillennialism requires a two‑track program—one for Israel, one for the Church—but the New Testament collapses that distinction by identifying Jesus as the true Israel, the true Son, the true Seed, the true Temple, and the true Davidic King, and then locating all fulfillment in Him rather than in a revived tribal nation. Ezekiel 37 is explicitly applied to Christ’s resurrection and the unification of Jew and Gentile in one body (Eph 2:14–16), not a future geopolitical reunion of ancient tribes; Romans 11’s “blindness” is not a suspended national program but a pattern of remnant salvation; Revelation’s tribal list is symbolic, not ethnographic; and Luke 24:44 does not teach “unfinished national promises” but that all Scripture finds its telos in Christ Himself. The system you quoted is internally coherent, but its core assumption—that Christ’s fulfillment is partial and must later be supplemented by a literal millennial Israelite kingdom—is precisely what the apostles never teach and repeatedly contradict.

Even the AI knows. That is if you tell it to answer according to the scripture without world system influence.

 

[Revelation1v8]

My AI assistant was asked to examine your last post and identify the world religious system it was defending. It asnwered with this:

Dispensational Premillennialism is a modern prophetic system built on three controlling ideas: (1) history is divided into distinct dispensations in which God administers His plan differently, (2) Israel and the Church are two permanently distinct peoples with different promises and destinies, and (3) prophecy must be interpreted with a consistently literal hermeneutic, producing a future earthly kingdom after Christ returns. From those premises, the system teaches that the Church age is a parenthesis in God’s plan for Israel, that Israel is currently blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles, that Christ will rapture the Church before a seven‑year Tribulation, and that He will then return to establish a 1,000‑year millennial kingdom in which national Israel is restored, the land promises are fulfilled, the temple is rebuilt, and Jesus reigns physically from Jerusalem over both resurrected saints and still‑mortal nations. The OT promises are not spiritually completed in Christ but await a national, geopolitical fulfillment in the millennium; the NT does not reinterpret the OT but adds a second layer of fulfillment. This is why dispensationalists treat passages like Ezekiel 37, Romans 11, and Revelation 7 as literal predictions of future tribal reunification and ethnic restoration rather than symbolic or Christological imagery. The system is internally coherent once its premises are accepted, but those premises—especially the two‑peoples‑of‑God distinction—are precisely what separate it from historic premillennialism and covenant theology.

Is it scripturally accurate?

No, it is not scripturally accurate because it assumes a hermeneutic the apostles never use: that Old Testament promises to ethnic Israel must be fulfilled again, literally, nationally, geopolitically after Christ has already fulfilled them in Himself. Dispensational Premillennialism requires a two‑track program—one for Israel, one for the Church—but the New Testament collapses that distinction by identifying Jesus as the true Israel, the true Son, the true Seed, the true Temple, and the true Davidic King, and then locating all fulfillment in Him rather than in a revived tribal nation. Ezekiel 37 is explicitly applied to Christ’s resurrection and the unification of Jew and Gentile in one body (Eph 2:14–16), not a future geopolitical reunion of ancient tribes; Romans 11’s “blindness” is not a suspended national program but a pattern of remnant salvation; Revelation’s tribal list is symbolic, not ethnographic; and Luke 24:44 does not teach “unfinished national promises” but that all Scripture finds its telos in Christ Himself. The system you quoted is internally coherent, but its core assumption—that Christ’s fulfillment is partial and must later be supplemented by a literal millennial Israelite kingdom—is precisely what the apostles never teach and repeatedly contradict.

Even the AI knows. That is if you tell it to answer according to the scripture without world system influence.

LOL! You and I both know that A.I. doesn't know everything. There is no such thing as answers without world system influence because all A.I. has been programmed by people with world system influences.

It's funny that you bring this up though, because I was just looking up something similar when it comes to survey on Premillennialists vs Amillennialists and here's what it told me:

I left out the survey that only included a specific group of people and this one was spread over a much wider group:

 

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Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.---

Who are the rest of the dead that are resurrected after the thousand years were finished? Do they partake in the battle of Gog in Magog?

 

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Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.---

Who are the rest of the dead that are resurrected after the thousand years were finished? Do they partake in the battle of Gog in Magog?

It's my understanding that "the rest of the dead" are unbelievers who are only resurrected for the sake of judgement before they are thrown into the Lake of Fire with Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet. The only thing the Bible mentions is that Satan will gather earthly armies from all four corners of the earth for the final battle of Gog & Magog. Personally, since Jesus does all the raising, I'm doubting he's going to initiate the resurrection of the wicked dead for the purpose of battling against Himself.

 

[tttallison]

It's my understanding that "the rest of the dead" are unbelievers who are only resurrected for the sake of judgement before they are thrown into the Lake of Fire with Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet. The only thing the Bible mentions is that Satan will gather earthly armies from all four corners of the earth for the final battle of Gog & Magog. Personally, since Jesus does all the raising, I'm doubting he's going to initiate the resurrection of the wicked dead for the purpose of battling against Himself.

Can someone from prior to the manifestation of Christ be considered a non-believer? in the sense that anyone who rejects Christ is a non-believer.

Also, isn't Satan still on earth in battle?

 

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Can someone from prior to the manifestation of Christ be considered a non-believer? in the sense that anyone who rejects Christ is a non-believer.

Also, isn't Satan still on earth in battle?

In my opinion, yes, anyone who rejects Christ would be considered a non-believer. Jesus made it clear that if you didn't recognize Him as the Savior, then you never really knew His Father either.

Yes, Satan is still on earth in battle. It's just a matter of time before God allows him to lead the entire world into battle together.

 

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LOL! You and I both know that A.I. doesn't know everything. There is no such thing as answers without world system influence because all A.I. has been programmed by people with world system influences.

The accuracy of a theological system is not determined by whether AI knows everything, nor by whether humans have biases, but by whether the apostles themselves interpret the Old Testament the way the system claims. Dispensational Premillennialism requires the apostles to treat Israel’s promises as future, geopolitical, ethnic, and literal, but the apostles consistently treat those promises as fulfilled in Christ, expanded to Jew and Gentile, and redefined around the new covenant reality rather than restored tribal nationalism. That’s not an AI conclusion; it’s the NT’s own hermeneutic. The question isn’t “Does AI know everything?” but “Does Paul, Peter, John, and the author of Hebrews ever teach a postponed national kingdom, a future tribal reunification, or a literal re‑establishment of Mosaic structures?” They don’t. And that’s the decisive point.

 

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In my opinion, yes, anyone who rejects Christ would be considered a non-believer. Jesus made it clear that if you didn't recognize Him as the Savior, then you never really knew His Father either.

Yes, Satan is still on earth in battle. It's just a matter of time before God allows him to lead the entire world into battle together.

I am afraid I don't express myself very well. I was asking if someone, even from the seventh Century BC, be considered a non-believer.

Satan will still be on earth after the millennium, and the order of things in Revelation 20 presents the resurrection of the dead prior to the notice that Satan will be in battle, and not in a fiery pit.

 

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The accuracy of a theological system is not determined by whether AI knows everything, nor by whether humans have biases, but by whether the apostles themselves interpret the Old Testament the way the system claims. Dispensational Premillennialism requires the apostles to treat Israel’s promises as future, geopolitical, ethnic, and literal, but the apostles consistently treat those promises as fulfilled in Christ, expanded to Jew and Gentile, and redefined around the new covenant reality rather than restored tribal nationalism. That’s not an AI conclusion; it’s the NT’s own hermeneutic. The question isn’t “Does AI know everything?” but “Does Paul, Peter, John, and the author of Hebrews ever teach a postponed national kingdom, a future tribal reunification, or a literal re‑establishment of Mosaic structures?” They don’t. And that’s the decisive point.

I thought we already had this discussion when I mentioned Acts 1:6-7? Just because Paul wrote the majority of the New Testament doesn't mean that most of the Disciples didn't believe in a restored kingdom to Israel. John didn't even write the book of Revelation until around 95 AD to reveal many things that I'm sure the Disciples weren't aware of or understood.

I know you only want to look at this from a New Testament perspective, but you have to look at it from Jesus' own perspective as the God of the Old Testament too.

What I don't understand is why a Christian would even care if God chose to have a Millennial Kingdom specifically for the people He has allowed to be temporarily blinded, especially if it helped to bring the Gentiles into the Olive Tree for salvation purposes. All I know is that all of the prophetic books use "prophetic telescoping" and it proves that certain prophecies weren't meant to come to fruition until the time that God appointed and they're on a much larger scale by the end of the chapters. According to the Bible, a lot of those prophecies are going to be fulfilled around the end of the age. I don't think anyone should be a stranger to the idea that history has always repeated itself anyway. This shouldn't be a new idea to any of us.

 

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The accuracy of a theological system is not determined by whether AI knows everything, nor by whether humans have biases, but by whether the apostles themselves interpret the Old Testament the way the system claims. Dispensational Premillennialism requires the apostles to treat Israel’s promises as future, geopolitical, ethnic, and literal, but the apostles consistently treat those promises as fulfilled in Christ, expanded to Jew and Gentile, and redefined around the new covenant reality rather than restored tribal nationalism. That’s not an AI conclusion; it’s the NT’s own hermeneutic. The question isn’t “Does AI know everything?” but “Does Paul, Peter, John, and the author of Hebrews ever teach a postponed national kingdom, a future tribal reunification, or a literal re‑establishment of Mosaic structures?” They don’t. And that’s the decisive point.

Paul does state that the Gentiles could be cast out, and the natural branch be reinstated.

Notice that it was necessary for preachers to exist under Pauline teachings and the first Covenant, but no so for the second Covenant.

Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

 

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I am afraid I don't express myself very well. I was asking if someone, even from the seventh Century BC, be considered a non-believer.

Satan will still be on earth after the millennium, and the order of things in Revelation 20 presents the resurrection of the dead prior to the notice that Satan will be in battle, and not in a fiery pit.

God/Jesus has always had ways of revealing Himself to people before his human incarnation on earth, like Abraham. Abraham was considered saved by his level of righteousness. In 1 Corinthians 10:3-4 it shows us that Jesus was the one who led Moses and the people of his time through the desert. So, while we may not know how God appealed to people before the incarnation of Jesus, rest assured it happened.

When Satan and his armies go to make war with saints after the 1,000 years are over, he and his army are immediately shut down with fire from Heaven, according to verse 9.

 

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God/Jesus has always had ways of revealing Himself to people before his human incarnation on earth, like Abraham. Abraham was considered saved by his level of righteousness. In 1 Corinthians 10:3-4 it shows us that Jesus was the one who led Moses and the people of his time through the desert. So, while we may not know how God appealed to people before the incarnation of Jesus, rest assured it happened.

When Satan and his armies go to make war with saints after the 1,000 years are over, he and his army are immediately shut down with fire from Heaven, according to verse 9.

Why then did Jesus go and preach to those in prison? Didn't they know about Christ when they were alive?

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

You say Satan is immediately shut down. Is there scripture to support this thought, or are you making a judgment based on limited knowledge.

Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Maybe it will last a hundred years, at least.

 

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Why then did Jesus go and preach to those in prison? Didn't they know about Christ when they were alive?

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

You say Satan is immediately shut down. Is there scripture to support this thought, or are you making a judgment based on limited knowledge.

Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Maybe it will last a hundred years, at least.

The context of 1 Peter 3:19 and 1 Peter 4:6 shows that Jesus went and preached to those who died in the flood during the days of Noah because they refused to listen to God and that God had waited the entire time that it took Noah to build the ark (which was 120 years) for them to change their ways and listen, but they never did. I'm sure Jesus visited them to tell them that just because they were still alive as spirits sitting in prison, that there would come a day when He would resurrect them for final judgement like Revelation 20 shows us.

As for what happens after the 1,000 years are over and Satan is released from the Abyss "for a time", he gathers armies from all four corners of the world to fight God's saints. Here is what the Bible says about it:

Revelation 20:8-10

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Isaiah 65 is talking about the 1,000 years of peace (the Millennial Kingdom period) where it says that people will live to be well over 100 years old and anyone who dies before the age of 100 would be considered accursed. People will be living much longer again during those days than they do now.

 

[tttallison]

The context of 1 Peter 3:19 and 1 Peter 4:6 shows that Jesus went and preached to those who died in the flood during the days of Noah because they refused to listen to God and that God had waited the entire time that it took Noah to build the ark (which was 120 years) for them to change their ways and listen, but they never did. I'm sure Jesus visited them to tell them that just because they were still alive as spirits sitting in prison, that there would come a day when He would resurrect them for final judgement like Revelation 20 shows us.

As for what happens after the 1,000 years are over and Satan is released from the Abyss "for a time", he gathers armies from all four corners of the world to fight God's saints. Here is what the Bible says about it:

Revelation 20:8-10

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

There is much more in the other books relating to the post millennium than what you find in Revelation 20. Take the battle of Gog and Magog. Just in Ezekiel 38 and 39 you find much more relating to the battle of Gog and Magog. You will see the fire comin down, just as in Revelation.

Rev 20:8-9 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Eze 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

There is more information in many other books that pertain to this timeframe. IMO

 

[tttallison]

Isaiah 65 is talking about the 1,000 years of peace (the Millennial Kingdom period) where it says that people will live to be well over 100 years old and anyone who dies before the age of 100 would be considered accursed. People will be living much longer again during those days than they do now.

What scripture do you base your belief on that Isaiah 65 occurs during the Millennium? How do the Jews suddenly appear in the Millennium?

 

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What scripture do you base your belief on that Isaiah 65 occurs during the Millennium? How do the Jews suddenly appear in the Millennium?

• Isaiah 2:4 and Micah 4:3: These parallel passages describe nations beating swords into plowshares and spears into pruning hooks, stating that "nation will not take up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore."
• Isaiah 9:6-7: This passage highlights that the increase of Christ’s government and peace will have no end, established on David’s throne with justice and righteousness.
• Isaiah 11:6-9: This text depicts the restoration of creation, where predators like wolves and lions live peacefully with prey animals (lambs and calves), and children play safely near dangerous creatures.
• Isaiah 32:16-17: This verse connects righteousness with peace, stating, "The work of righteousness will be peace, and the service of righteousness, quietness and confidence forever."
• Psalm 85:10: This verse poetically describes the harmony of the era, stating, "Steadfast love and faithfulness meet; righteousness and peace kiss each other."
• Isaiah 65:25: This passage reinforces the peace within the animal kingdom, noting that the wolf and lamb will graze together and the lion will eat straw like the ox, with no evil or harm on God’s holy mountain.
• Ezekiel 34:25-28 and Ezekiel 37:26-28: These passages promise a "covenant of peace" where God sets His sanctuary among His people, ensuring they dwell safely without wild beasts or external threats.
• Zechariah 8:12: This verse describes a time of agricultural and social abundance where the land produces grain and vines, and people sit under their own fig trees and grapevines in security.
• saiah 54:13 – "All your sons shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of your sons."
• Isaiah 55:12 – "You shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace; the mountains and hills shall break forth into singing before you."
• Isaiah 66:12 – "I extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the nations like an overflowing stream."
• Isaiah 66:13–14 – "As a man comforts his son, so I will comfort you; you shall be comforted in Jerusalem."
• Zechariah 9:10 – "He will speak peace to the nations; and His dominion will be from sea to sea."
• Zechariah 2:4 – "Jerusalem will be inhabited without walls, because of the multitude of men and cattle within it" (interpreted as a sign of unprecedented security).
• Zechariah 3:10 – "Every one of you will invite his neighbor to sit under his vine and under his fig tree" (implying peace and safety).
• Hosea 2:18 – "I will make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, the birds of the sky, and the creeping things of the ground. I will abolish the bow, the sword, and war from the land, and I will make them lie down in safety."
• Psalm 72:7–8 – "May the righteous flourish in his days, and abundance of peace until the moon is no more. May he rule from sea to sea."
• Isaiah 32:18 – "My people will live in a peaceful habitation, and in secure dwellings, and in undisturbed resting places."
• Isaiah 60:18 – "You shall no longer hear the word of violence in your land."
• Isaiah 65:19 – "The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her, nor the voice of crying."
• Micah 5:4–5 – "They shall dwell secure, for now He shall be great to the ends of the earth. And He shall be their peace."
• Isaiah 65:21–23 – "They shall build houses and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit" (security and long-term prosperity).

 

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What scripture do you base your belief on that Isaiah 65 occurs during the Millennium? How do the Jews suddenly appear in the Millennium?

When Jesus returns at His second coming, He returns to Jerusalem. The first thing he'll do is protect Israel from all of the surrounding nations that have tried to come up against it.

Zechariah 12:

1 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the Lord of hosts their God.

6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

7 The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Zechariah 13:8-9

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

 

[tttallison]

When Jesus returns at His second coming, He returns to Jerusalem. The first thing he'll do is protect Israel from all of the surrounding nations that have tried to come up against it.

Zechariah 12:

1 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the Lord of hosts their God.

6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

7 The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Zechariah 13:8-9

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

I see no mention of a thousand year shabbat in those verses. But there seems to be a lot of activity. There will be no Satan. I personally believe there will be no earthly people, especially since the remnant has been killed, therefore no need of Satan's presence.

Notice Zechariah 7:12 speaking of the horses. Many people would say it is a metaphor for mechanical transportation. I would say it would be the only mode of transportation for a land that sat desolate for a thousand years, and for a people that had no knowledge of modern transportation.

Isa 6:11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,

Isa 24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

Isa 24:19-21 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

Isa 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Isa 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

Isa 49:17-23 Thy children shall make haste; thy destroyers and they that made thee waste shall go forth of thee. Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth. For thy waste and thy desolate places, and the land of thy destruction, shall even now be too narrow by reason of the inhabitants, and they that swallowed thee up shall be far away. The children which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other, shall say again in thine ears, The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell. Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been? Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

Isa 51:3 For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.

Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Jer 4:23-28 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

Jer 4:29 The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.

Jer 7:34 Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.

Eze 36:4 Therefore, ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD; Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes, and to the cities that are forsaken, which became a prey and derision to the residue of the heathen that are round about;

Eze 36:10 And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded:

Eze 36:33 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.

Lev 26:31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.

Lev 26:34-35 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths. As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.

etc, etc, etc.

 

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I thought we already had this discussion when I mentioned Acts 1:6-7? Just because Paul wrote the majority of the New Testament doesn't mean that most of the Disciples didn't believe in a restored kingdom to Israel. John didn't even write the book of Revelation until around 95 AD to reveal many things that I'm sure the Disciples weren't aware of or understood.

I know you only want to look at this from a New Testament perspective, but you have to look at it from Jesus' own perspective as the God of the Old Testament too.

What I don't understand is why a Christian would even care if God chose to have a Millennial Kingdom specifically for the people He has allowed to be temporarily blinded, especially if it helped to bring the Gentiles into the Olive Tree for salvation purposes. All I know is that all of the prophetic books use "prophetic telescoping" and it proves that certain prophecies weren't meant to come to fruition until the time that God appointed and they're on a much larger scale by the end of the chapters. According to the Bible, a lot of those prophecies are going to be fulfilled around the end of the age. I don't think anyone should be a stranger to the idea that history has always repeated itself anyway. This shouldn't be a new idea to any of us

Your entire push assumes that Acts 1:6–7 proves the disciples were correct in expecting a geopolitical restoration of ethnic Israel, but the text shows the opposite—Jesus refuses their framework, redirects them to the Spirit’s global mission, and never affirms a future national kingdom; the NT repeatedly shows the disciples misunderstanding the nature of the kingdom before Pentecost, and Acts itself demonstrates that once the Spirit comes, their theology shifts from ethnic restoration to worldwide ingathering under the risen Christ; prophetic telescoping is real, but the apostles consistently telescope toward Christ, not toward a revived tribal monarchy, and the “blindness” of Israel in Romans 11 is not a divine promise of a future ethnic kingdom but a temporary hardening that results in the salvation of the full number of the elect—Jew and Gentile together—so the question “why would Christians care?” misses the point, because the issue is not emotional preference but apostolic hermeneutics: the NT never re‑opens an ethnic land program, never re‑establishes tribal identity, never predicts a future Jewish‑only kingdom, and never treats the millennium as a second phase of Israel’s national story; instead, it treats the millennium as the reign of the already‑enthroned Christ over the one people of God, the same unified body Paul describes in Ephesians 2, where the dividing wall is already broken and the promises already belong to those in Christ